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View Therealeaglestilidie's Profile Therealeaglestilidie Flag 22 Oct 21 8.56pm Send a Private Message to Therealeaglestilidie Add Therealeaglestilidie as a friend

Just watching the Arsenal v Villa game and Arsenal just scored on the rebound after the goalkeeper saved.

I think this should be changed.

In a penalty shoot out the taker cannot follow up.

The same should happen in a penalty situation and if the goal keeper saves play should start again with a goal kick.

The penalty taker had their chance.

Rant over.

 


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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 22 Oct 21 9.13pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

I know what you mean, but a penalty is about the keeper as much as the kicker.

If the keeper fails to hold the ball or deflect it out of harm's way, then he is culpable. The same in open play and I regret to say we've seen Guaita attempt a few fisted clearances with dire consequences.

A penalty shootout is a whole different matter with a unique set of rules and whilst it seems odd, both players should know what they need to do.

 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 22 Oct 21 9.27pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Therealeaglestilidie

Just watching the Arsenal v Villa game and Arsenal just scored on the rebound after the goalkeeper saved.

I think this should be changed.

In a penalty shoot out the taker cannot follow up.

The same should happen in a penalty situation and if the goal keeper saves play should start again with a goal kick.

The penalty taker had their chance.

Rant over.

Kind of agree - half time the moment the keeper makes the initial save.

 

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View Dan Theolmesdaleroad's Profile Dan Theolmesdaleroad Flag Up north 23 Oct 21 2.29am Send a Private Message to Dan Theolmesdaleroad Add Dan Theolmesdaleroad as a friend

Originally posted by Therealeaglestilidie

Just watching the Arsenal v Villa game and Arsenal just scored on the rebound after the goalkeeper saved.

I think this should be changed.

In a penalty shoot out the taker cannot follow up.

The same should happen in a penalty situation and if the goal keeper saves play should start again with a goal kick.

The penalty taker had their chance.

Rant over.

I understand why people see it that way, but respectfully disagree. Play should continue, just as it would following a free kick, which is basically what a penalty kick is. The game is still in progress at that stage.

In a penalty shootout though, the ball becomes dead as soon as it stops its forward motion. Play can't be continued to allow any rebounds as the match itself will have already ended in that instance.

With regard to the Arsenal v Villa match though, I half-listened to the game on the radio and it sounded as if play continued after the initial penalty incident for a short time, maybe close to a minute or so before the half-time whistle was blown.

Surely any part of the game that took place between the moment the foul occurred and the intervention by VAR a moment later should have been replayed. Plus, I believe, a further 30 seconds to account for the goal that was scored.

However, there was only enough time given for the penalty, the goal, and the restart, which was hardly any time at all. Enough to allow Arsenal to score, but nothing else. It wouldn't have amounted to much, but the proper length of added time (as I would see it) might have allowed Villa one last attack before the break.

Maybe I'm wrong and the correct time was accounted for, but it didn't seem like it from what I could hear. As for penalty kicks, I'm happy for play to continue if a kick is saved but can see how others might feel differently.

 

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View doi209's Profile doi209 Flag Fighting for the weak and innocent... 23 Oct 21 8.53am Send a Private Message to doi209 Add doi209 as a friend

Originally posted by Dan Theolmesdaleroad

I understand why people see it that way, but respectfully disagree. Play should continue, just as it would following a free kick, which is basically what a penalty kick is. The game is still in progress at that stage.

In a penalty shootout though, the ball becomes dead as soon as it stops its forward motion. Play can't be continued to allow any rebounds as the match itself will have already ended in that instance.

With regard to the Arsenal v Villa match though, I half-listened to the game on the radio and it sounded as if play continued after the initial penalty incident for a short time, maybe close to a minute or so before the half-time whistle was blown.

Surely any part of the game that took place between the moment the foul occurred and the intervention by VAR a moment later should have been replayed. Plus, I believe, a further 30 seconds to account for the goal that was scored.

However, there was only enough time given for the penalty, the goal, and the restart, which was hardly any time at all. Enough to allow Arsenal to score, but nothing else. It wouldn't have amounted to much, but the proper length of added time (as I would see it) might have allowed Villa one last attack before the break.

Maybe I'm wrong and the correct time was accounted for, but it didn't seem like it from what I could hear. As for penalty kicks, I'm happy for play to continue if a kick is saved but can see how others might feel differently.

If a keeper saves a penalty shoot-out and the ball goes backwards ( towards the taker ) and spins forwards into the goal of it's own accord into the net, it is allowed.

 

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View Dan Theolmesdaleroad's Profile Dan Theolmesdaleroad Flag Up north 23 Oct 21 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Dan Theolmesdaleroad Add Dan Theolmesdaleroad as a friend

Originally posted by doi209

If a keeper saves a penalty shoot-out and the ball goes backwards ( towards the taker ) and spins forwards into the goal of it's own accord into the net, it is allowed.

I've just looked it up and it seems that may well be correct, as long as the ball's motion is deemed to have come from the initial kick.

This is from Wikipedia on penalty shootouts. I remember the Bellone incident and had it in mind in my earlier post.

"The ball may touch the goalkeeper, goal posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the goal as long as the referee believes the ball's motion is the result of the initial kick. This was clarified after an incident in the 1986 World Cup shoot-out between Brazil and France. Bruno Bellone's kick rebounded out off the post, hit goalkeeper Carlos's back, and subsequently bounced into the goal. Referee Ioan Igna gave the goal to France, and Brazil captain Edinho was booked for protesting that the kick should have been considered a miss as soon as it rebounded off the post. In 1987, the International Football Association Board clarified Law 14, covering penalty kicks, to support Igna's decision."

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Oct 21 3.12am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

There is a clip from an African game where in a pen shoot out the ball batters the bar and spins in the air, the goalie runs out to celebrate whereby the ball drops back down and spins into an empty net. Its on you tube somewhere along with a few others but this one sticks in my mind purely because the goalie gives it the victory dance a bit prematurely

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Oct 21 3.15am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 24 Oct 21 7.50am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

I disagree with the OP. The penalty rule is fine as it is.

 


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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 24 Oct 21 8.53am Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by doi209

If a keeper saves a penalty shoot-out and the ball goes backwards ( towards the taker ) and spins forwards into the goal of it's own accord into the net, it is allowed.

In short, Yes.

If the ball hits the post without the keeper saving/touching it, and the attacking side puts the rebound in the net, no goal, indirect free-kick to defending side. The ball must touch an opposing player 1st, unless, of course, the penalty kick is cleanly executed.

Many years ago, I was reffing a game, awarded a pen & the attacking captain asked me, do they HAVE to kick directly at goal? All the law stated, was the ball must 'move it's own circumference in a forward motion'. The kicker ran up, touched the ball forwards & to the right & another player came through & scored, cue pandemonium. Perfectly legal as the scorer had not encroached into the box at the point of initial contact.

 


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