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View Pascal Treacly's Profile Pascal Treacly Flag 17 Jan 22 4.23pm Send a Private Message to Pascal Treacly Add Pascal Treacly as a friend

We live in a democracy (long may it remains so) but we seem to have a conundrum that I find difficult to get my head around.

A fundamental part of our democratic structure is the rule of law which protects the individual from being damned until the offence for which he is suspected has been properly investigated and the evidence assessed in a court of law and a judgement arrived at. Then, and only then, if the judgement is against him, does the individual become guilty.

In the UK we also have the oddity that despite being a democracy our head of state is not democratically elected. Although our head of state exists on the broad albeit informal agreement of the people it cannot be said to be democratic unless it is elected.

So Prince Andrew, in terms of our democratic structure is at present innocent (the rule of law) but his family (the undemocratic ‘head of state’) are in effect ignoring the rule of law by its treatment of him.

Is the royal family wrong by taking punitive action against Andrew? Under the democratic rule of law he is innocent?

Do we have an undemocratic institution ignoring the democratic rule of law?

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jan 22 4.54pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Whether or not he's guilty of any crime, the Queen is still his mother and, essentially, his boss. It's up to her how she judges his behaviour as "becoming for a Royal" or not. Basically, I suspect the boss is unhappy with what he's been up to and he's got a right Royal dressing down. It doesn't mean he's legally guilty or innocent of any particular crime.
Albeit, 99% of previous Royals were very naughty boys and girls.

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 17 Jan 22 5.08pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Maybe she will be called as a witness for the prosecution

 


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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 17 Jan 22 5.22pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

He doesn't have to be proven guilty for him to be a reputational risk (i.e. bad news) for the Royals Plc. They are distancing themselves from him. Probably the best thing for him too, as he can concentrate on defending himself or paying off his accuser without the encumbrance of titles and honours. It may also be easier for him to fade away from the limelight if things don't go well.

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 17 Jan 22 5.29pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

He doesn't have to be proven guilty for him to be a reputational risk (i.e. bad news) for the Royals Plc. They are distancing themselves from him. Probably the best thing for him too, as he can concentrate on defending himself or paying off his accuser without the encumbrance of titles and honours. It may also be easier for him to fade away from the limelight if things don't go well.

The problem as well is if things are divulged in the civil case, he could be arrested by the authority's on a criminal charge, you can understand now how he wasn't in any of Princess Beatrice's offical wedding photographs

 


“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 17 Jan 22 8.18pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

He doesn't have to be proven guilty for him to be a reputational risk (i.e. bad news) for the Royals Plc. They are distancing themselves from him. Probably the best thing for him too, as he can concentrate on defending himself or paying off his accuser without the encumbrance of titles and honours. It may also be easier for him to fade away from the limelight if things don't go well.

I hear he might go and teach somewhere in the jungle in Cambodia- no idea why.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 18 Jan 22 9.08am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Part of "the gig economy". Sacked, and with no Workers Rights to back any claim for Unfair Dismissal.

$hlt happens

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 18 Jan 22 10.55am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Prince Andrew isn't merely "innocent". He - like me and millions of other people - has not been charged with any crime whatsoever in any country whatsoever.

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 18 Jan 22 11.00am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Prince Andrew isn't merely "innocent". He - like me and millions of other people - has not been charged with any crime whatsoever in any country whatsoever.

Give it another 6/8 Months

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Jan 22 11.43am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Pascal Treacly

We live in a democracy (long may it remains so) but we seem to have a conundrum that I find difficult to get my head around.

A fundamental part of our democratic structure is the rule of law which protects the individual from being damned until the offence for which he is suspected has been properly investigated and the evidence assessed in a court of law and a judgement arrived at. Then, and only then, if the judgement is against him, does the individual become guilty.

In the UK we also have the oddity that despite being a democracy our head of state is not democratically elected. Although our head of state exists on the broad albeit informal agreement of the people it cannot be said to be democratic unless it is elected.

So Prince Andrew, in terms of our democratic structure is at present innocent (the rule of law) but his family (the undemocratic ‘head of state’) are in effect ignoring the rule of law by its treatment of him.

Is the royal family wrong by taking punitive action against Andrew? Under the democratic rule of law he is innocent?

Do we have an undemocratic institution ignoring the democratic rule of law?

Democracy and the rule of law have little to do with each other.

Indeed, most of the decision makers that affect your life aren't democratically elected.

Democracy, like genuine freedom is mostly a myth.

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 18 Jan 22 11.52am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Democracy and the rule of law have little to do with each other.

Indeed, most of the decision makers that affect your life aren't democratically elected.

Democracy, like genuine freedom is mostly a myth.

Sad, But True

 


“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 18 Jan 22 1.24pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Another "trial by media". Cliff Richard Struck it Lucky with a police payout. Colin Stag and Chris Jefferies endured much more media harassment (google them), and (got comparatively) diddly-squat.
Andrew (as he now wants to be known), was the idiot who hired s h i t lawyers and PR, who put himself on TV to be interviewed, and has since embarked on issuing catastrophic public statements from his legal team.
It doesn't make trial by media correct. But he did willingly join in, didn't he ?
The fact it's blowing up in his face is largely down to his own actions and poor advice from 'experts'.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Jan 2022 1.25pm)

 


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