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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Aug 22 5.13pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Seems as though it's finally happened, been a long time coming for those of us who've paid attention to situation. Stabbed in neck reports saying. NYC.

Is it 'the old peaceful religion strikes again' or some 'rogue lunatic', was it even the obvious assumption at all???? Fr clarity I am not suggesting any although do have my opinions as to which I would be inclined to believe.

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 12 Aug 22 5.25pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Skin colour dictates it.

Anything other than white - Mental Health Issues and NOTHING to do with Islam.

White - Islamic Convert.... Mhm. Mental Health Issues. Ish.

White anything else. Nazi, Facist, Trump/Maga/Brexit voting member of vast underground right wing movement. And probably reads the Daily Mail. And utterly sane. Not even a hint. Just another toxic Gammon. For whom we must all assume collective guilt.

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Originally posted by Matov

Skin colour dictates it.

Anything other than white - Mental Health Issues and NOTHING to do with Islam.

White - Islamic Convert.... Mhm. Mental Health Issues. Ish.

White anything else. Nazi, Facist, Trump/Maga/Brexit voting member of vast underground right wing movement. And probably reads the Daily Mail. And utterly sane. Not even a hint. Just another toxic Gammon. For whom we must all assume collective guilt.

Edited by Matov (12 Aug 2022 5.26pm)

I do understand your motive for writing that Matov, I really do but it has rendered me such contempt for the MSM that it no longer really bothers me.

My guess would be a person identified as 'Muslim' whatever the skin colour but although it won't be reported I am guessing the secondary cause is that it is someone who probably does have some mental health problems, most definitely caused or exacerbated by a miserable life, most likely the result of their own failings, causing anger and lack of spiritual fulfillment which they are trying to salvage through perversion of ancient literature (or religion as some call it).

My primary assumption however is somewhat racist in that I am inclined to believe it has happened as a result of the good ol' US and A!! The greatest country in the world!! So great in fact that it is home to the extremes of military power, wealth, glamour, movie industry and of course lunatics on the extreme fringes of their society however we don't balance that in the equation for what constitutes 'the greatest country in the world'. Place is a circus. Happy to be disagreed with as always.

 


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OH dear, this thread is going to run & obvious posters will be all over it like a rash(lets hope me posting negates that)


Keep fighting Salman, very brave for the book, living in fear for the rest of his life.

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 12 Aug 22 5.45pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I do understand your motive for writing that Matov, I really do but it has rendered me such contempt for the MSM that it no longer really bothers me.

My guess would be a person identified as 'Muslim' whatever the skin colour but although it won't be reported I am guessing the secondary cause is that it is someone who probably does have some mental health problems, most definitely caused or exacerbated by a miserable life, most likely the result of their own failings, causing anger and lack of spiritual fulfillment which they are trying to salvage through perversion of ancient literature (or religion as some call it).

My primary assumption however is somewhat racist in that I am inclined to believe it has happened as a result of the good ol' US and A!! The greatest country in the world!! So great in fact that it is home to the extremes of military power, wealth, glamour, movie industry and of course lunatics on the extreme fringes of their society however we don't balance that in the equation for what constitutes 'the greatest country in the world'. Place is a circus. Happy to be disagreed with as always.

If it is a Muslim then they attempted to kill Rushdie because those are the rules. Hence why he usually has very good security around him. That simple. People try and make it all complex without actually understanding what the rules of Islam actually are.

To be fair, Islam is truly a very simple religion to adhere to. Makes all kinds of things very very clear. There are no nuances to it. Just the basic reality of what the punishments are for things such as apostasy, insulting their Prophet, Homosexuality and so on.

It is only Western Soc.libs who try and down-play it.

 


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Mentally ill. Odds-on.

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I f***ing LOVE Ash Sakar. I really do.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

If it is a Muslim then they attempted to kill Rushdie because those are the rules. Hence why he usually has very good security around him. That simple. People try and make it all complex without actually understanding what the rules of Islam actually are.

To be fair, Islam is truly a very simple religion to adhere to. Makes all kinds of things very very clear. There are no nuances to it. Just the basic reality of what the punishments are for things such as apostasy, insulting their Prophet, Homosexuality and so on.

It is only Western Soc.libs who try and down-play it.

Perhaps you are right, I can-nay claim to be an expert, just had loser, loner, intellectually and life challenged written all over it for me. You might also add that with such a large number of them it would not have taken best part of (what is it??) 30+ years to do so. Perhaps I am just peddling my own American disdain, or more fairly bemusement, and views on religion. Quote from the man whilst we're at it:

"From the beginning men used God to justify the unjustifiable"

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 12 Aug 22 6.37pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Perhaps I am just peddling my own American disdain, or more fairly bemusement, and views on religion. Quote from the man whilst we're at it:

"From the beginning men used God to justify the unjustifiable"

No. What you are doing is displaying programmed behaviour. Essentially you have been bombarded over the last 25 or so years with a constant drip-drip-drip of propaganda that LITERALLY the worst thing in the world to be is racist. Worse than anything else.

And when it comes to a religion like Islam, in which the majority of its followers are non-white, almost physically painful for you to criticise.

If this had been some fundamentalist Catholic, all ginger hair and freckles, then bang. Happy days. You are swamped with endorphins, proclaiming all sorts. But because it ain't, then your Fight or Flight instinct is telling you just to shut the f*** up. To freeze. Because you might just be called racist.

The way of the world.

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W12 12 Aug 22 6.54pm

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

These things would never happen if incompatible cultures were not thrown together but liberals will eventually have to suffer like the rest of us.

I have no issue with Islam by the way. It just does not belong in the west.

 

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Originally posted by Matov

No. What you are doing is displaying programmed behaviour. Essentially you have been bombarded over the last 25 or so years with a constant drip-drip-drip of propaganda that LITERALLY the worst thing in the world to be is racist. Worse than anything else.

And when it comes to a religion like Islam, in which the the majority of its followers are non-white, it is literally painful for you to criticise.

If this had been some fundamentalist Catholic, all ginger hair and freckles, then bang. Happy days. You are swamped with endorphins, proclaiming all sorts. But because it ain't, then your Fight or Flight instinct is telling you just to shut the f*** up. To freeze. Because you might just be called racist.

The way of the world.

Honestly, I do understand your angle (to some extent but I reject what you are proposing about my character, I'm saying this as nicely as possible, you don't know me beyond my often light-hearted posts and if anything I am more inclined to side with you than the other side of the spectrum but that just isn't my view here, it's not the basis or goal of my observation/2 cents at all. Hence, if you read my original post it was a slight dig at the often used phrase of a 'peaceful religion' which I consider a very typically left wing propaganda tactic to distract from reality and suppress any rational thought especially around this matter.

I fear that my response is futile and I note the irony of you telling me I'm programmed when I literally and quite candidly wrote about my contempt for mainstream media alongside the tone of your response. And thanks for the Catholic reference, as a son of two Irish catholic parents with a ginger brother despite my dark hair, I 5h!t you not, and more than one tattoo in honour of my heritage, I have been regaled with many stories of being refused accommodation, entry to boozers and being chased with knives by Teddy boys on the way home from work, so to find out I would be rushed with endorphins at any news affirming the prejudice on that front was a real eye opener for me. Thank a non-catholic God you were here to let me know. I'll have the Celtic cross, bands, Mayo, Carlow, Wexford, and Kerry tributes burned off my skin at the soonest possible time (yes I do have them all).

Either end of the spectrum, especially in the first world these days, for me always screams possible if not very close to a virgin, dissatisfied with their lack of achievement in life, angry at the world due to I'm guessing some sort of 'Vulnerable Narcissist' diagnosis, bullied at school or at least one if not a combination of these things or things of that ilk.

Doesn't matter for me if you want to murder on religious grounds, impose 'Sharia law', become hysterical at Trump or similar figures, centre conversations that don't warrant it around race (either way), tie yourself to a tree or block motorways in protest, endorse mass illegal immigration, change your name and pronouns, purge entire races/religions or whathaveyou, shout racist abuse at a football match, on a forum or anywhere else, cry about the 'patriarchy' in society and denounce men, blimey the list is endless... all sides of the same aforementioned coin to me and that qualify peoples as 'brainwashed'. I am inclined, not proclaiming it to be an absolute truth just a subjective assertion, to imagine the perpetrator can be far more aligned with these characteristics and therefore motives before any religious take. There seems to be an abundance of these in the States too and I would suggest it's a result of their culture, again on both sides of the spectrum. It's not impossible but if it turns out to be some ice cream with a successful business or high paying job with power, gorgeous wife, big house, flash car or cars, lovely kids, part of a local sports team, active social life, loving supportive family and social group etc etc I'll be highly shocked.

That's a f**king long email now so I'll leave it there but hope it provides some clarity.

 


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Originally posted by Nicholas91

Honestly, I do understand your angle (to some extent but I reject what you are proposing about my character, I'm saying this as nicely as possible, you don't know me beyond my often light-hearted posts and if anything I am more inclined to side with you than the other side of the spectrum but that just isn't my view here, it's not the basis or goal of my observation/2 cents at all. Hence, if you read my original post it was a slight dig at the often used phrase of a 'peaceful religion' which I consider a very typically left wing propaganda tactic to distract from reality and suppress any rational thought especially around this matter.

I fear that my response is futile and I note the irony of you telling me I'm programmed when I literally and quite candidly wrote about my contempt for mainstream media alongside the tone of your response. And thanks for the Catholic reference, as a son of two Irish catholic parents with a ginger brother despite my dark hair, I 5h!t you not, and more than one tattoo in honour of my heritage, I have been regaled with many stories of being refused accommodation, entry to boozers and being chased with knives by Teddy boys on the way home from work, so to find out I would be rushed with endorphins at any news affirming the prejudice on that front was a real eye opener for me. Thank a non-catholic God you were here to let me know. I'll have the Celtic cross, bands, Mayo, Carlow, Wexford, and Kerry tributes burned off my skin at the soonest possible time (yes I do have them all).

Either end of the spectrum, especially in the first world these days, for me always screams possible if not very close to a virgin, dissatisfied with their lack of achievement in life, angry at the world due to I'm guessing some sort of 'Vulnerable Narcissist' diagnosis, bullied at school or at least one if not a combination of these things or things of that ilk.

Doesn't matter for me if you want to murder on religious grounds, impose 'Sharia law', become hysterical at Trump or similar figures, centre conversations that don't warrant it around race (either way), tie yourself to a tree or block motorways in protest, endorse mass illegal immigration, change your name and pronouns, purge entire races/religions or whathaveyou, shout racist abuse at a football match, on a forum or anywhere else, cry about the 'patriarchy' in society and denounce men, blimey the list is endless... all sides of the same aforementioned coin to me and that qualify peoples as 'brainwashed'. I am inclined, not proclaiming it to be an absolute truth just a subjective assertion, to imagine the perpetrator can be far more aligned with these characteristics and therefore motives before any religious take. There seems to be an abundance of these in the States too and I would suggest it's a result of their culture, again on both sides of the spectrum. It's not impossible but if it turns out to be some ice cream with a successful business or high paying job with power, gorgeous wife, big house, flash car or cars, lovely kids, part of a local sports team, active social life, loving supportive family and social group etc etc I'll be highly shocked.

That's a f**king long email now so I'll leave it there but hope it provides some clarity.

So you are really a victim and have to put all kinds of qualifiers about your disgust at what happened?

Rushdie was stabbed because he was deemed to have insulted the Muslim Prophet. And that is what the Koran teaches. No ifs, no buts.

You either abhor that or you don't. Why do you need to qualify it by painting it against a picture of other religions? Or proclaim that the person who stabbed him was some poor put upon victim of society?

The people who hijacked those planes on September 11th were all privileged, wealthy people. Osama Bin Laden came from a wealthy family. The people who attacked on London in July 2005 were not poor. Teaching assistants. Students. People who were valued within their own communities. The kid who blew himself up in Manchester had actually been rescued by the Royal Navy. And how does he reward that?

All I ask is this. Why do you feel so compelled to write such a long response? Why can you not simply condemn the person who stabbed Rushdie as a murderous piece of s***?

We are all products our society. The key to it is trying to question what that does to us.

 


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