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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 20 Feb 23 5.51pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

One day, the big clubs will try to get a bigger slice of the PL money pie. Let's call their vision a super league that excludes clubs like Palace.

This is a huge problem. If we spend £100m on tarting up the Main Stand, and suddenly we get shunted back down the food chain, we are f***ed and our owners take an enormous financial hit.

How can we really invest when the gravy train might depart from platform 9 without us at any given moment?

Even if we do spend, we only get about 34k. We're still a small club with major impediments to growth.

People talk about investors who're willing to spend but it's just good money after bad.

It's a catch 22.

 


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Other teams have had investment, notably Forest and Bournemouth. Historically Forest are pretty big, yet Bournemouth really aren't. Also no better stadium etc. Other teams have invested too or have recently got investors.
Really the question is: why not us?
Some kind of structural issue/ the board/ something in the ownership or share structure?
The other thing, I believe, rarely spoken about: is it share holder and bank debt? Surely other teams have similar? We are considerably in debt which we do service.
What else? Don't know.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 20 Feb 23 7.53pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Other teams have had investment, notably Forest and Bournemouth. Historically Forest are pretty big, yet Bournemouth really aren't. Also no better stadium etc. Other teams have invested too or have recently got investors.
Really the question is: why not us?
Some kind of structural issue/ the board/ something in the ownership or share structure?
The other thing, I believe, rarely spoken about: is it share holder and bank debt? Surely other teams have similar? We are considerably in debt which we do service.
What else? Don't know.

Bournemouth have invested you say but also you say that they have no better stadium. What therefore have they invested in?

 


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Originally posted by YT

Bournemouth have invested you say but also you say that they have no better stadium. What therefore have they invested in?

I'm not sure what's been promised but they certainly were willing to pay for transfers. A new owner isn't it? So they could be bought, or invested in but they're no bigger or better than us are they?

 


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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

One day, the big clubs will try to get a bigger slice of the PL money pie. Let's call their vision a super league that excludes clubs like Palace.

This is a huge problem. If we spend £100m on tarting up the Main Stand, and suddenly we get shunted back down the food chain, we are f***ed and our owners take an enormous financial hit.

How can we really invest when the gravy train might depart from platform 9 without us at any given moment?

Even if we do spend, we only get about 34k. We're still a small club with major impediments to growth.

People talk about investors who're willing to spend but it's just good money after bad.

It's a catch 22.

Like an F1 racecar you need to be on the right tyres for the conditions . Being on the right tyres in the PL means investing in your team to keep them in the race even if your driving a Williams .
What might happen in the future is of little consequence

 


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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 20 Feb 23 9.00pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

One day, the big clubs will try to get a bigger slice of the PL money pie. Let's call their vision a super league that excludes clubs like Palace.

This is a huge problem. If we spend £100m on tarting up the Main Stand, and suddenly we get shunted back down the food chain, we are f***ed and our owners take an enormous financial hit.

How can we really invest when the gravy train might depart from platform 9 without us at any given moment?

Even if we do spend, we only get about 34k. We're still a small club with major impediments to growth.

People talk about investors who're willing to spend but it's just good money after bad.

It's a catch 22.

This has been my take on things for a while and the reason why the likes of Harris and Blitzer have been linked with buying Chelsea, Liverpool and United.

Eventually there will be so much wealth and power behind it that it will be impossible to stop IMO.

There's no next level for us which is also why I think there's such a shift towards young players with sell on value and the academy.


 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 21 Feb 23 6.46am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

I should clarify that the investment I refer to is the stadium.

We can, to a point, invest in players. But if all else is equal, then over time a stadium's ability to generate revenue is the main differentiator between one club and the next.

As a revenue generator, Selhurst must be second bottom (to Bournemouth) or possibly third bottom (also Brentford) in the division.

I appreciate Brentford is far smaller but I'm guessing it has good corporate as recently built.

That creates a long term gravitational pull.

 


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Maybe 10 years ago the size of the stadium seating capacity / bums on seats was super important, these days the league you play in & the TV money it generates is more the pot of gold that everyone is chasing (in relation to Palace) because it dwarfs stadium revenue at the top end of the game, if your in the PL & you can add a European competition to your seasons activities then so much the better / increased TV money - this all helps with your global brand / merchandising sales - so if / when Super league comes there will be an increase in TV / overall revenue for those directly involved, probably a reduced TV money for those left behind (like us) & then the stadium capacity will become important to us again because we will be on that lower tier -

Pretty much every PL club has sell out season ticket sales every season these days - whether that will remain to be the case when Super league comes your guess is as good as mine, most clubs left behind will be trading the games against the top 7 PL sides for more competitive & probably more exciting fixtures against teams they have more chance of a result against -

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I should clarify that the investment I refer to is the stadium.

We can, to a point, invest in players. But if all else is equal, then over time a stadium's ability to generate revenue is the main differentiator between one club and the next.

As a revenue generator, Selhurst must be second bottom (to Bournemouth) or possibly third bottom (also Brentford) in the division.

I appreciate Brentford is far smaller but I'm guessing it has good corporate as recently built.

That creates a long term gravitational pull.

 

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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 21 Feb 23 8.44am Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

There's no chance of this happening in the near future. The competitiveness of the premier league is a major selling point, the big English clubs ain't worried about us, we are miles behind. Its the other big European clubs, which the gulf just continues to get greater and greater. They need a European super league just to have any real chance of competing with the prem. UEFA will end up awarding 6 places in the champions league to the English clubs. Which will suit the big 6.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 21 Feb 23 10.58am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

You may be right - I dont follow the champions league but I did see a few articles several weeks ago talking about an increased number of clubs participating in the European Cup(s) Whether thats CL or the Europa thingy ( or whatever variations are in play these days)

Originally posted by rikz

There's no chance of this happening in the near future. The competitiveness of the premier league is a major selling point, the big English clubs ain't worried about us, we are miles behind. Its the other big European clubs, which the gulf just continues to get greater and greater. They need a European super league just to have any real chance of competing with the prem. UEFA will end up awarding 6 places in the champions league to the English clubs. Which will suit the big 6.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Feb 23 11.14am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

If a Super League were to come into existence I would expect it would have the same ramifications for all (other) clubs financially.

Personally, and hopefully without sounding too much like a moany old b@stard, I think it would separate the glory hunting, entertainment seeking fans from the 'actual' or let's say 'original' football fans. I think those who would suffer most would be those in the latter category who just happen to support a now big club.

For this reason, I think it would be a short-lived and commercially challenging prospect. By very nature of football it does rely on those who commit to it religiously even if there are still wooden seats, overpriced food and rarely goals from open play I would expect the super league to have a short lived but frantic spell before a massive fallout as most fans would continue watching their own teams within the traditional structure. If anyone questions my insight, research, general intelligence or expertise behind such comments and prophecies don't bother, you won't find much if anything

 


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Originally posted by Nicholas91

If a Super League were to come into existence I would expect it would have the same ramifications for all (other) clubs financially.

Personally, and hopefully without sounding too much like a moany old b@stard, I think it would separate the glory hunting, entertainment seeking fans from the 'actual' or let's say 'original' football fans. I think those who would suffer most would be those in the latter category who just happen to support a now big club.

For this reason, I think it would be a short-lived and commercially challenging prospect. By very nature of football it does rely on those who commit to it religiously even if there are still wooden seats, overpriced food and rarely goals from open play I would expect the super league to have a short lived but frantic spell before a massive fallout as most fans would continue watching their own teams within the traditional structure. If anyone questions my insight, research, general intelligence or expertise behind such comments and prophecies don't bother, you won't find much if anything

It could be true - but I think the point of the super league is not the average fan at all. It's like they want a whole new shiny Chinese, African, American and Arab fan - paying for TV rights in a replica shirt. Us old, beardy, balding, beery fans are no longer required.
My own take is - leave them to it. I'd rather a league without all the megabucks. It would be more competitive and, frankly, I'd like to see players earning less and lower transfer fees. Our youngsters would definitely get a chance too.

 


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