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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 16 Aug 22 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

The 3/4000 comments he received last night including death threats are something the Police have to get involved with it, it is easy to find someones IP address, and take action accordingly.

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

The 3/4000 comments he received last night including death threats are something the Police have to get involved with it, it is easy to find someones IP address, and take action accordingly.

For it to be prosecuted as a death threat, it requires 'A person who without lawful excuse makes to another a threat, intending that that other would fear it would be carried out' which is pretty tough to prove as an anonymous person online who has most likely never been anywhere near Joachim Andersen.

It's more likely to be malicious communications, [Link] which is deemed to be low level from a sentencing perspective.

Police would need to go via instagram to get the details of all 300-400 people, many of whom won't be in the UK, then prove that it was the account holder who sent the message for an offence that has a maximum sentence of 12 months and is more likely to be a fine.

The police simply don't have the resources to do that, nor do the courts to charge it given the current backlog. The worst one or two may get action. Ultimately the platforms should be doing a lot of the leg work in closing these accounts and prevented these people from making new accounts.

Edited by ambrose7 (16 Aug 2022 1.00pm)

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 16 Aug 22 2.28pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by ambrose7

For it to be prosecuted as a death threat, it requires 'A person who without lawful excuse makes to another a threat, intending that that other would fear it would be carried out' which is pretty tough to prove as an anonymous person online who has most likely never been anywhere near Joachim Andersen.

It's more likely to be malicious communications, [Link] which is deemed to be low level from a sentencing perspective.

Police would need to go via instagram to get the details of all 300-400 people, many of whom won't be in the UK, then prove that it was the account holder who sent the message for an offence that has a maximum sentence of 12 months and is more likely to be a fine.

The police simply don't have the resources to do that, nor do the courts to charge it given the current backlog. The worst one or two may get action. Ultimately the platforms should be doing a lot of the leg work in closing these accounts and prevented these people from making new accounts.

Edited by ambrose7 (16 Aug 2022 1.00pm)

Good Info, Thanks, it was 3000/4000 not hundreds

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Good Info, Thanks, it was 3000/4000 not hundreds

His instagram story says 300-400. BBC news article here too [Link]

 


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I'll be posting my show of support to this absolute weapon of a player! Hopefully thousands more do the same. Up the Palace!

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Aug 22 3.08pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Neilsym26

I'll be posting my show of support to this absolute weapon of a player! Hopefully thousands more do the same. Up the Palace!

Thoroughly agree, to the extent I have done already (instagram).
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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 16 Aug 22 5.11pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by ambrose7

For it to be prosecuted as a death threat, it requires 'A person who without lawful excuse makes to another a threat, intending that that other would fear it would be carried out' which is pretty tough to prove as an anonymous person online who has most likely never been anywhere near Joachim Andersen.

It's more likely to be malicious communications, [Link] which is deemed to be low level from a sentencing perspective.

Police would need to go via instagram to get the details of all 300-400 people, many of whom won't be in the UK, then prove that it was the account holder who sent the message for an offence that has a maximum sentence of 12 months and is more likely to be a fine.

The police simply don't have the resources to do that, nor do the courts to charge it given the current backlog. The worst one or two may get action. Ultimately the platforms should be doing a lot of the leg work in closing these accounts and prevented these people from making new accounts.

Edited by ambrose7 (16 Aug 2022 1.00pm)

Interesting, because I seem to recall that they "found the resources" to investigate nasty comments made to England penalty-missers after the Euros final last year. Now which clubs did those players play for, remind me?

Edited by YT (16 Aug 2022 5.12pm)

 


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Originally posted by YT

Interesting, because I seem to recall that they "found the resources" to investigate nasty comments made to England penalty-missers after the Euros final last year. Now which clubs did those players play for, remind me?

Edited by YT (16 Aug 2022 5.12pm)

Nothing to do with which clubs I’m afraid !

 

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I've just read in The Times a quote from Jürgen Klown about the sending off:

"...yes, it is a red card. Wrong reaction in the situation. Andersen wanted that. He got it but he [Nunez] made a mistake."

So basically the red card was Andersen's fault, while an assault worthy of a criminal record in the real world was "a mistake".

For 'Klown' read 'Kunt'

 


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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 16 Aug 22 8.04pm Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Interesting, because I seem to recall that they "found the resources" to investigate nasty comments made to England penalty-missers after the Euros final last year. Now which clubs did those players play for, remind me?

Edited by YT (16 Aug 2022 5.12pm)

Investigate and prosecute are two entirely different things. A handful of those offenders have been through the court system and they've got very light action taken against them.

Take the most recent one as an example of how much work it takes: [Link]

'Thomas Beardsworth, defending, said that because Sancho did not give an impact statement to the court, there was no concrete proof that Roj-Oz's comment directly caused him fear and distress – the threshold for a more severe sentence. "Mr Sancho did make a public statement at the time and there is nothing in there that goes to substantial distress and fear," he said.'

He got a suspended sentence, a 3 month curfew and a £500 fine. To get more, the player likely needs to participate in every single action to demonstrate the harm.

This case is the only one I can find that was imprisoned and it was just 6 weeks - [Link]

There's no such thing as class action in a criminal case, so every individual interaction needs everything joined up to prosecute. Multiply that by 400, even once you've identified who sent it, and it's an extraordinary amount of work for what is, unfortunately, a relatively low level offence. It's got sod all to do with which club they play for and everything to do with the proportionality of going after every single one of these versus other crimes.

Don't expect to see 400 people go to jail here. If the 10 worst ones get made an example of by going through the system and it lands the message publicly, that's a realistically very good outcome.

 


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Wrote pretty good fairy tales, but why does that concern us?

 


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