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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Online Flag Hong Kong 10 Mar 23 4.19am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Please someone take the decision to cut the national losses on this

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 10 Mar 23 7.52am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

They started at the wrong end. I never understood why they decided to build from London. There are plenty of norther cities that would have benefited if it had started their but the Lonodn leg was cancelled.

 


One more point

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 10 Mar 23 8.17am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Costs in London escalate faster than they do in the North -

The cost of the project was only ever going to go up so by starting in London they had more chance to have a possibility to mitigate current & future cost escalation.

To say nothing of the politicians wanting to benefit soonest with faster travel back to their constituencies'

I vaguely remember an old episode of Yes Minister - where someone was asking why there were far superior transport links from London to Cambridge but only one decent road to Oxford - the reply was, something like, in recent history there had been more ministers for transport that had studied in Cambridge & only one that studied in Oxford -

Originally posted by Badger11

They started at the wrong end. I never understood why they decided to build from London. There are plenty of norther cities that would have benefited if it had started their but the Lonodn leg was cancelled.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Mar 23 8.47am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


It's ironic that one of the supposed advantages of HS2 is it's contribution toward carbon net zero but the Green Party are split on the issue due to the damage caused to the environment/wildlife.

 

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View Eaglehamster's Profile Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 10 Mar 23 9.55am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Call me cynical, but I suspect there's far too much money to be made on this project for it to be cancelled - as it damn well should be.

The cash this will cost might have just made the existing rail network fit for purpose.

The whole thing stinks.

 


I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 10 Mar 23 10.47am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

At present its not even going to Euston.

A project so flawed it leaves one speechless.

It should be renamed USB2 its yesterdays tech.

Doesn't connect to an airport, to a link to Europe, to Scotland and the North, but at present Birmingham and some place North of London to be built.

The rest of the network could be upgraded at a fraction of the cost.

Count me in for a national project that delivers a 21st century rail network solution for 100 billions but this defies explanation.

The cost dwarfs any other rail project in Europe, and appears to be totally useless.

Who actually needs, if this ever completes, to get to Birmingham 15 minutes quicker? The demand just isn't there, people work remotely, and the present journey is comfortable quick and scenic (Grand Union Canal).

An ex-parrot.


 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Mar 23 11.06am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

At present its not even going to Euston.

A project so flawed it leaves one speechless.

It should be renamed USB2 its yesterdays tech.

Doesn't connect to an airport, to a link to Europe, to Scotland and the North, but at present Birmingham and some place North of London to be built.

The rest of the network could be upgraded at a fraction of the cost.

Count me in for a national project that delivers a 21st century rail network solution for 100 billions but this defies explanation.

The cost dwarfs any other rail project in Europe, and appears to be totally useless.

Who actually needs, if this ever completes, to get to Birmingham 15 minutes quicker? The demand just isn't there, people work remotely, and the present journey is comfortable quick and scenic (Grand Union Canal).

An ex-parrot.


The journey time is secondary to it's carbon net zero effect. It's intended to take cars off the road.

 

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View Eaglehamster's Profile Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 10 Mar 23 11.18am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

As for the carbon neutral issue. How carbon neutral are nearly empty trains in off peak times running around the country? Then in peak times it's a ruck getting a seat.

Cars are getting greener all the time.

I think for a country like ours trains are obsolete. They have never been an efficient transport system and never will be.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Mar 23 11.36am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

As for the carbon neutral issue. How carbon neutral are nearly empty trains in off peak times running around the country? Then in peak times it's a ruck getting a seat.

Cars are getting greener all the time.

I think for a country like ours trains are obsolete. They have never been an efficient transport system and never will be.

For what it's worth I agree with you EH.
This is a longish article putting both sides.

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 10 Mar 23 4.00pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

'Government warned HS2 may never be resurrected after cost-saving delays'.

A sigh of relief to many.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 10 Mar 23 6.15pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

There's been a few "informed speculators" who purchased property and land on the proposed route, only to have it compulsorily purchased for vastly more than they paid for it. Plenty of corrupt people in-the-know have already shafted the tax-payer, with plenty more to come.
It's like any of the Government projects I can recall. The Channel tunnel, The 2012 Olympics, all massively over-budget.

It seems the HS2's vision to link London with 'the north', might only go as far as Birmingham

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (10 Mar 2023 6.18pm)

 


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