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dynamicdick Dormansland 10 Mar 19 9.42am
Correct me if i am wrong but didnt Brighton play just Murray up front. If so why did we play a back 4? Surely wouldnt a 3-5-2 formatoimisen have been far more beneficial and attack minded without sacrificing our defensive duties. We would have no doubt one the midfield, given us the width so badly needed in order to get balls into the box and given their 2 Centre backs something to think about. The midfield having Kouyate and Meyer included this giving us the balance of toughness and flair, so badly missing yesterday. My team would have been...... Guaita Dann Tompkins Kelly Wan-Bissaka Luka Meyer Kouyate Schlupp Zaha Batman We are too much of a one trick Pony at home and so predictable.and with it so easy to play against. I have to saa yesterday reminded me of England home ganes under Roy...... clueless! Bring back Brolin
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dynamicdick

Dormansland 10 Mar 19 9.42am

Correct me if i am wrong but didnt Brighton play just Murray up front.
If so why did we play a back 4? Surely wouldnt a 3-5-2 formatoimisen have been far more beneficial and attack minded without sacrificing our defensive duties. We would have no doubt one the midfield, given us the width so badly needed in order to get balls into the box and given their 2 Centre backs something to think about. The midfield having Kouyate and Meyer included this giving us the balance of toughness and flair, so badly missing yesterday.
My team would have been......
Guaita

Dann
Tompkins
Kelly

Wan-Bissaka
Luka
Meyer
Kouyate
Schlupp

Zaha
Batman

We are too much of a one trick Pony at home and so predictable.and with it so easy to play against. I have to saa yesterday reminded me of England home ganes under Roy...... clueless!

Bring back Brolin

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PatrickA London 10 Mar 19 9.58am
I mentioned 3-5-2 as an option earlier in the season and was drowned with protests that our back 3 didn’t have the pace or experience of playing this formation. However, when teams only play one striker and don’t commit players forward I can see merit in the formation. We can outnumber teams in midfield, attack across the width of the pitch and have our front 2 roam up front and drag the central defenders out of position. Not a chance of Roy doing it though - he’s a dyed in the wool 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 man.
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PatrickA

London 10 Mar 19 9.58am

I mentioned 3-5-2 as an option earlier in the season and was drowned with protests that our back 3 didn’t have the pace or experience of playing this formation.
However, when teams only play one striker and don’t commit players forward I can see merit in the formation.
We can outnumber teams in midfield, attack across the width of the pitch and have our front 2 roam up front and drag the central defenders out of position.
Not a chance of Roy doing it though - he’s a dyed in the wool 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 man.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 10 Mar 19 10.08am
For those who want Roy sacked, I suppose this would probably do the trick; it certainly worked on that Dutch bloke. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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bexleydave

Barnehurst 10 Mar 19 10.08am

For those who want Roy sacked, I suppose this would probably do the trick; it certainly worked on that Dutch bloke.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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MonsterMunch Cambridge 10 Mar 19 10.13am
Originally posted by bexleydave For those who want Roy sacked, I suppose this would probably do the trick; it certainly worked on that Dutch bloke. I don’t want Roy sacked now. However this form cannot continue any longer. Roy does not show any signs of being able to come up with a solution at home. I’m sure the owners are already thinking this way. Mutual agreement in the summer I would imagine.
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MonsterMunch

Cambridge 10 Mar 19 10.13am

Originally posted by bexleydave

For those who want Roy sacked, I suppose this would probably do the trick; it certainly worked on that Dutch bloke.

I don’t want Roy sacked now. However this form cannot continue any longer. Roy does not show any signs of being able to come up with a solution at home. I’m sure the owners are already thinking this way. Mutual agreement in the summer I would imagine.

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PatrickA London 10 Mar 19 10.25am
De Boer tried the formation with the inexperienced Riedewald and Fossu Mensah as two of the 3 defenders and also experimented with Luka in the back 3 and Townsend at wing back. Just because it didn’t work with one set of players it doesn’t mean it won’t work with another set of players. Clearly we need a different tactical approach at home whether at the start or during games. Even try 4-4-2 again if necessary, but try and gain control of the midfield and give the strikers some decent service.
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PatrickA

London 10 Mar 19 10.25am

De Boer tried the formation with the inexperienced Riedewald and Fossu Mensah as two of the 3 defenders and also experimented with Luka in the back 3 and Townsend at wing back.
Just because it didn’t work with one set of players it doesn’t mean it won’t work with another set of players.
Clearly we need a different tactical approach at home whether at the start or during games.
Even try 4-4-2 again if necessary, but try and gain control of the midfield and give the strikers some decent service.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 10 Mar 19 10.26am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch I don’t want Roy sacked now. However this form cannot continue any longer. Roy does not show any signs of being able to come up with a solution at home. I’m sure the owners are already thinking this way. Mutual agreement in the summer I would imagine. I don't think two of the main shareholders give a toss either way do they? For me, the problem at home is more about team selection and substitutions than formation; although I wouldn't object to seeing 4-4-2 tried a bit more. IF we stay up this season I'm 50:50 on Roy's immediate future as there has to be a time when we have some consistency in management and, at least on the face of it, Roy does seem to be able to work with Parish. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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bexleydave

Barnehurst 10 Mar 19 10.26am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

I don’t want Roy sacked now. However this form cannot continue any longer. Roy does not show any signs of being able to come up with a solution at home. I’m sure the owners are already thinking this way. Mutual agreement in the summer I would imagine.

I don't think two of the main shareholders give a toss either way do they? For me, the problem at home is more about team selection and substitutions than formation; although I wouldn't object to seeing 4-4-2 tried a bit more. IF we stay up this season I'm 50:50 on Roy's immediate future as there has to be a time when we have some consistency in management and, at least on the face of it, Roy does seem to be able to work with Parish.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Mar 19 10.44am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch I don’t want Roy sacked now. However this form cannot continue any longer. Roy does not show any signs of being able to come up with a solution at home. I’m sure the owners are already thinking this way. Mutual agreement in the summer I would imagine. As I mentioned elsewhere, he's in good company there - Holloway, Pulis, Allardyce and Pardew also were unable to resolve the problem. I think the news re the sale of the club has the potential to see a number of key changes, the managers position being just one of them. Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Mar 19 10.44am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

I don’t want Roy sacked now. However this form cannot continue any longer. Roy does not show any signs of being able to come up with a solution at home. I’m sure the owners are already thinking this way. Mutual agreement in the summer I would imagine.

As I mentioned elsewhere, he's in good company there - Holloway, Pulis, Allardyce and Pardew also were unable to resolve the problem.

I think the news re the sale of the club has the potential to see a number of key changes, the managers position being just one of them.

Old, Ungifted and White

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Elpis In a pub 10 Mar 19 10.49am
Originally posted by PatrickA De Boer tried the formation with the inexperienced Riedewald and Fossu Mensah as two of the 3 defenders and also experimented with Luka in the back 3 and Townsend at wing back. Just because it didn’t work with one set of players it doesn’t mean it won’t work with another set of players. Clearly we need a different tactical approach at home whether at the start or during games. Even try 4-4-2 again if necessary, but try and gain control of the midfield and give the strikers some decent service. I would agree with above. 352 is easily adaptable to 532 , 541 ,351-1 without having to make subs which would be right up Roys street . And we still need a striker
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Elpis

In a pub 10 Mar 19 10.49am

Originally posted by PatrickA

I would agree with above. 352 is easily adaptable to 532 , 541 ,351-1 without having to make subs which would be right up Roys street .

And we still need a striker

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dynamicdick Dormansland 10 Mar 19 11.00am
Originally posted by bexleydave For those who want Roy sacked, I suppose this would probably do the trick; it certainly worked on that Dutch bloke. For the record i do not with to see Roy sacked just change fornation at home. As a PL Manager with 40 years experience he ought to be able to adapt, after all that is what a training pitch is all about. Bring back Brolin
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dynamicdick

Dormansland 10 Mar 19 11.00am

Originally posted by bexleydave

For those who want Roy sacked, I suppose this would probably do the trick; it certainly worked on that Dutch bloke.

For the record i do not with to see Roy sacked just change fornation at home. As a PL Manager with 40 years experience he ought to be able to adapt, after all that is what a training pitch is all about.

Bring back Brolin

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Booted Eagle Bristol 10 Mar 19 1.52pm
Originally posted by bexleydave For those who want Roy sacked, I suppose this would probably do the trick; it certainly worked on that Dutch bloke. FDB seemed as pragmatic as Roy, wishing to play this system every game when it clearly wasn't working over 4 games. Roy could easily give this a go in say 1 match when there is limited attacking threat at home, say the Udders at home ? Can't really think why he could not try this, as clearly our formation at home isn't working. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Booted Eagle

Bristol 10 Mar 19 1.52pm

Originally posted by bexleydave

For those who want Roy sacked, I suppose this would probably do the trick; it certainly worked on that Dutch bloke.

FDB seemed as pragmatic as Roy, wishing to play this system every game when it clearly wasn't working over 4 games. Roy could easily give this a go in say 1 match when there is limited attacking threat at home, say the Udders at home ? Can't really think why he could not try this, as clearly our formation at home isn't working.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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Booted Eagle Bristol 10 Mar 19 2.18pm
Originally posted by NEILLO As I mentioned elsewhere, he's in good company there - Holloway, Pulis, Allardyce and Pardew also were unable to resolve the problem. I think the news re the sale of the club has the potential to see a number of key changes, the managers position being just one of them. Haven't looked at the stats for these managers (Ollie can be ignored as we weren't good home or away under his brief stay as manager in the PL) but feel that this season the difference between home and away results seems more marked. We did show Jekyll and Hyde tendencies under Pards but that was one half of the season to the next. Under Pulis we were scrapping for everything throughout the team, personnel seem different now. Edited by Booted Eagle (10 Mar 2019 2.20pm) “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Booted Eagle

Bristol 10 Mar 19 2.18pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

As I mentioned elsewhere, he's in good company there - Holloway, Pulis, Allardyce and Pardew also were unable to resolve the problem.

I think the news re the sale of the club has the potential to see a number of key changes, the managers position being just one of them.

Haven't looked at the stats for these managers (Ollie can be ignored as we weren't good home or away under his brief stay as manager in the PL) but feel that this season the difference between home and away results seems more marked. We did show Jekyll and Hyde tendencies under Pards but that was one half of the season to the next. Under Pulis we were scrapping for everything throughout the team, personnel seem different now.

Edited by Booted Eagle (10 Mar 2019 2.20pm)

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Bangell Oxford 10 Mar 19 3.00pm
Bizarre suggestion. We have 3 centre backs total at the moment, none of whom will really step forward to give an extra man in midfield. Wilf should not be playing up front, he should be wide with Andros on the other side. What Roy should have done yesterday was play Meyer in the central 3, or go with two sitting midfielders and Meyer behind the striker. Roy is not operating with the set of players that he wants. He doesn't want Meyer, but there's a disconnect with the scouting team so that's who he was given rather than a proper replacement for RLC.
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Bangell

Oxford 10 Mar 19 3.00pm

Bizarre suggestion. We have 3 centre backs total at the moment, none of whom will really step forward to give an extra man in midfield. Wilf should not be playing up front, he should be wide with Andros on the other side. What Roy should have done yesterday was play Meyer in the central 3, or go with two sitting midfielders and Meyer behind the striker.

Roy is not operating with the set of players that he wants. He doesn't want Meyer, but there's a disconnect with the scouting team so that's who he was given rather than a proper replacement for RLC.

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