Lucy Letby trial
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 Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 11 Jul 23 4.34am |
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The (former) nurse charged with murder. The Jury is out and considering its verdict. "Judge Mr Justice James Goss has told the jury to approach their deliberations in a "fair, calm, objective and analytical way". The jury has heard nine months of evidence, including claims Ms Letby deliberately injected babies with air, force fed others milk and poisoned some with insulin. Ms Letby has insisted she did not harm any of the babies and has pointed to issues of poor hygiene and staffing levels in the hospital. She has also accused senior doctors of mounting a conspiracy against her to mask failings in care." (BBC website) Edited by Forest Hillbilly (11 Jul 2023 4.36am)
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steeleye20  Croydon 11 Jul 23 10.42am |
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The length of this trial, I don't like circumstantial evidence, the weight of it can become unbalanced and mistakes have been made. It is an enclosed atmosphere, what appears a struggling not very clean hospital, 9 babies died why can they not show that she did it. Another case I remember with a nurse convicted some years ago I think in the end she confessed, it led to a tightening of procedures. Not sure it got through to this place.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 11 Jul 23 10.49am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The length of this trial, I don't like circumstantial evidence, the weight of it can become unbalanced and mistakes have been made. It is an enclosed atmosphere, what appears a struggling not very clean hospital, 9 babies died why can they not show that she did it. Another case I remember with a nurse convicted some years ago I think in the end she confessed, it led to a tightening of procedures. Not sure it got through to this place. Just remembered as a result CCTV was introduced on the wards. Not here it seems.
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| Matov 11 Jul 23 6.46pm |
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I have no love for the CPS and see it as a hive of no good Soc.Libs BUT I suspect that there must have been a lot of soul-searching before they went ahead with this prosecution because, for an entire slew of reasons, if they don't have a literal smoking gun in this kind of case then it's a horrendous downside, no matter what the outcome in terms of possible appeals in terms of a guilty verdict along with the lady being found innocent and selling her story for a small fortune and making a lot of people in the medical profession look very stupid. Lets get the verdict first but either way, it is going to get very messy.
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| martin2412 Living The Dream 11 Jul 23 8.03pm |
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We've got no idea whether she's guilty or not, but from what I've seen and heard from the media, I can see no firm evidence that she did it, and therefore has to be found not guilty. If further evidence comes to light then try her again, then hang her.
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cryrst  The garden of England 11 Jul 23 8.06pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
I have no love for the CPS and see it as a hive of no good Soc.Libs BUT I suspect that there must have been a lot of soul-searching before they went ahead with this prosecution because, for an entire slew of reasons, if they don't have a literal smoking gun in this kind of case then it's a horrendous downside, no matter what the outcome in terms of possible appeals in terms of a guilty verdict along with the lady being found innocent and selling her story for a small fortune and making a lot of people in the medical profession look very stupid. Lets get the verdict first but either way, it is going to get very messy. She may be guilty but at what point should the hospital have thought ‘two at a time per visit’ after the first baby death, the second etc. I mean if chavs are dying on your watch and you have an open cheque book what would you actually do. Personally I would try to stop it by having what I said. More eyes, less chance of an individual carrying out these ‘crimes’. Something not right even if she did it!
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 27 Jul 23 5.05pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
She may be guilty but at what point should the hospital have thought ‘two at a time per visit’ after the first baby death, the second etc. I mean if chavs are dying on your watch and you have an open cheque book what would you actually do. Personally I would try to stop it by having what I said. More eyes, less chance of an individual carrying out these ‘crimes’. Something not right even if she did it! I think the accountants wouldn't have permitted over-staffing like that. Just what I feel, but I might be wrong. Everyone's finances and resources are stretched and to over-staff on a 'hunch' probably wouldn't have been authorised. Hospitals are too dynamic for that approach to have Letby shadowed to be feasible.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Jul 23 5.24pm |
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I'm not privy to the case but that seems like a hell of a lot of babies dying on someone's shift. Babies don't die that easily just down to poor hygiene unless they have underlying conditions.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 03 Aug 23 7.21pm |
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A jury member stood down today for 'personal reasons'. What pressure was he/she subjected to? If they find her guilty after all their deliberations, now 3 weeks, it will not be the end of the matter.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Aug 23 7.25pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
A jury member stood down today for 'personal reasons'. What pressure was he/she subjected to? If they find her guilty after all their deliberations, now 3 weeks, it will not be the end of the matter. How long can something like this go on. Sounds like a time limit should be set.....they have reached an impasse and someone is bailing.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 03 Aug 23 7.40pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
A jury member stood down today for 'personal reasons'. What pressure was he/she subjected to? If they find her guilty after all their deliberations, now 3 weeks, it will not be the end of the matter. They maybe ill or a family member may be ill. This has been a long trial it's hardly surprising, when I worked someone was off sick each week. It must also be quite harrowing looking at the evidence around dead babies I'm not sure I could sit on a jury dealing with that.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Aug 23 9.33pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
They maybe ill or a family member may be ill. This has been a long trial it's hardly surprising, when I worked someone was off sick each week. It must also be quite harrowing looking at the evidence around dead babies I'm not sure I could sit on a jury dealing with that. Quite. Very dark.
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