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Jonny_Johnson Tel Aviv 18 Nov 12 8.21pm
Hamas owes America, the UK and France a great many thanks for ousting the Mubarak regime in Egypt. It feels quite justifiably emboldened to act irrationally and provoke Israel into a war. Mubarak was a Western ally and critically, he knew how to curtail the Muslim Brotherhood (of which Hamas is an offshoot). Their plans are to restore an Islamist caliphate over the entire M-E and then into Europe. (They openly admit to that) Israel did not ask for this war, but popular sentiment is that it needs to deal a fatal blow to Hamas and their sponsors.
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Tel Aviv 18 Nov 12 8.21pm

Hamas owes America, the UK and France a great many thanks for ousting the Mubarak regime in Egypt. It feels quite justifiably emboldened to act irrationally and provoke Israel into a war.

Mubarak was a Western ally and critically, he knew how to curtail the Muslim Brotherhood (of which Hamas is an offshoot). Their plans are to restore an Islamist caliphate over the entire M-E and then into Europe. (They openly admit to that)

Israel did not ask for this war, but popular sentiment is that it needs to deal a fatal blow to Hamas and their sponsors.

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suicideatselhurst crawley 18 Nov 12 8.22pm
Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 8.14pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 8.07pm Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 7.49pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 7.38pm They do this every few years. Kill scores of civilian Palestinians - a lot of them childen - in retaliation for two or three deaths on their side in the guise of fighting terror. It suits them to murder. Keeps the status quo. It also perpetuates hatred. So the wheel is ever turning. Fvcked up in the head government in Tel Aviv. Rabin was the last reasonable one in power. His own side murdered him. Because he wanted to make things better. An axis of evil. Not quite true Kerms. Rockets are routinely fired onto Israels civilians and given that all of Israels neighbours are quite open in their desire to wipe Israel and Israelis off the map and Israel are quite prepared to act quickly and not really worred about whats proportionate and whats not to try and apportion 'blame' when anything kicks off is pretty moot imho. Israels backing by the US, its disregard for territorial rights dont do anything to help the situation either nor does the rhetoric about martyrs and martyrdom and sabre rattling from Hamas at every opportunity A conflict that will never end in our lifetime There is also a general election coming up. The secret of blowing up your Palestinian neighbours is timing. As neighbours go the front wheelers have the national equivilants of the Wests, Mugabes and Kyles next door so how anyone cant take 'sides' in what is a total ball of s***e is beyond me. Given the track record of treatment the jews have I can see how they are a might touchy Edited by The Sash (18 Nov 2012 8.15pm) Sash do you think anyone on here will know what frontwheelers relates to ? Theres someone in my head ... But its not me X/Box game Tag bazcpfc1961, clan (HMS)
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crawley 18 Nov 12 8.22pm

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They do this every few years. Kill scores of civilian Palestinians - a lot of them childen - in retaliation for two or three deaths on their side in the guise of fighting terror.

It suits them to murder. Keeps the status quo. It also perpetuates hatred. So the wheel is ever turning. Fvcked up in the head government in Tel Aviv. Rabin was the last reasonable one in power. His own side murdered him. Because he wanted to make things better.

An axis of evil.

Not quite true Kerms. Rockets are routinely fired onto Israels civilians and given that all of Israels neighbours are quite open in their desire to wipe Israel and Israelis off the map and Israel are quite prepared to act quickly and not really worred about whats proportionate and whats not to try and apportion 'blame' when anything kicks off is pretty moot imho.

Israels backing by the US, its disregard for territorial rights dont do anything to help the situation either nor does the rhetoric about martyrs and martyrdom and sabre rattling from Hamas at every opportunity

A conflict that will never end in our lifetime

There is also a general election coming up. The secret of blowing up your Palestinian neighbours is timing.

As neighbours go the front wheelers have the national equivilants of the Wests, Mugabes and Kyles next door so how anyone cant take 'sides' in what is a total ball of s***e is beyond me.

Given the track record of treatment the jews have I can see how they are a might touchy

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Sash do you think anyone on here will know what frontwheelers relates to ?

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johnny the eagle wivenhoe 18 Nov 12 8.25pm
Quote suicideatselhurst at 18 Nov 2012 8.22pm Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 8.14pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 8.07pm Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 7.49pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 7.38pm They do this every few years. Kill scores of civilian Palestinians - a lot of them childen - in retaliation for two or three deaths on their side in the guise of fighting terror. It suits them to murder. Keeps the status quo. It also perpetuates hatred. So the wheel is ever turning. Fvcked up in the head government in Tel Aviv. Rabin was the last reasonable one in power. His own side murdered him. Because he wanted to make things better. An axis of evil. Not quite true Kerms. Rockets are routinely fired onto Israels civilians and given that all of Israels neighbours are quite open in their desire to wipe Israel and Israelis off the map and Israel are quite prepared to act quickly and not really worred about whats proportionate and whats not to try and apportion 'blame' when anything kicks off is pretty moot imho. Israels backing by the US, its disregard for territorial rights dont do anything to help the situation either nor does the rhetoric about martyrs and martyrdom and sabre rattling from Hamas at every opportunity A conflict that will never end in our lifetime There is also a general election coming up. The secret of blowing up your Palestinian neighbours is timing. As neighbours go the front wheelers have the national equivilants of the Wests, Mugabes and Kyles next door so how anyone cant take 'sides' in what is a total ball of s***e is beyond me. Given the track record of treatment the jews have I can see how they are a might touchy Edited by The Sash (18 Nov 2012 8.15pm) Sash do you think anyone on here will know what frontwheelers relates to ? Anything to do with a front wheel skid would it be,on a motor bike of course. South London born and bred red and blue till im dead.
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An axis of evil.

A conflict that will never end in our lifetime

There is also a general election coming up. The secret of blowing up your Palestinian neighbours is timing.

As neighbours go the front wheelers have the national equivilants of the Wests, Mugabes and Kyles next door so how anyone cant take 'sides' in what is a total ball of s***e is beyond me.

Given the track record of treatment the jews have I can see how they are a might touchy

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Sash do you think anyone on here will know what frontwheelers relates to ?

Anything to do with a front wheel skid would it be,on a motor bike of course.

South London born and bred
red and blue till im dead.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 18 Nov 12 8.26pm
Quote suicideatselhurst at 18 Nov 2012 8.22pm Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 8.14pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 8.07pm Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 7.49pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 7.38pm They do this every few years. Kill scores of civilian Palestinians - a lot of them childen - in retaliation for two or three deaths on their side in the guise of fighting terror. It suits them to murder. Keeps the status quo. It also perpetuates hatred. So the wheel is ever turning. Fvcked up in the head government in Tel Aviv. Rabin was the last reasonable one in power. His own side murdered him. Because he wanted to make things better. An axis of evil. Not quite true Kerms. Rockets are routinely fired onto Israels civilians and given that all of Israels neighbours are quite open in their desire to wipe Israel and Israelis off the map and Israel are quite prepared to act quickly and not really worred about whats proportionate and whats not to try and apportion 'blame' when anything kicks off is pretty moot imho. Israels backing by the US, its disregard for territorial rights dont do anything to help the situation either nor does the rhetoric about martyrs and martyrdom and sabre rattling from Hamas at every opportunity A conflict that will never end in our lifetime There is also a general election coming up. The secret of blowing up your Palestinian neighbours is timing. As neighbours go the front wheelers have the national equivilants of the Wests, Mugabes and Kyles next door so how anyone cant take 'sides' in what is a total ball of s*e is beyond me. Given the track record of treatment the jews have I can see how they are a might touchy Edited by The Sash (18 Nov 2012 8.15pm) Sash do you think anyone on here will know what frontwheelers relates to ? Haven't heard that expression for a long time. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham**
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Clapham on the Back 18 Nov 12 8.26pm

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An axis of evil.

A conflict that will never end in our lifetime

There is also a general election coming up. The secret of blowing up your Palestinian neighbours is timing.

As neighbours go the front wheelers have the national equivilants of the Wests, Mugabes and Kyles next door so how anyone cant take 'sides' in what is a total ball of s***e is beyond me.

Given the track record of treatment the jews have I can see how they are a might touchy

Edited by The Sash (18 Nov 2012 8.15pm)

Sash do you think anyone on here will know what frontwheelers relates to ?

Haven't heard that expression for a long time.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Nov 12 8.33pm
Quote suicideatselhurst at 18 Nov 2012 8.22pm Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 8.14pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 8.07pm Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 7.49pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 7.38pm They do this every few years. Kill scores of civilian Palestinians - a lot of them childen - in retaliation for two or three deaths on their side in the guise of fighting terror. It suits them to murder. Keeps the status quo. It also perpetuates hatred. So the wheel is ever turning. Fvcked up in the head government in Tel Aviv. Rabin was the last reasonable one in power. His own side murdered him. Because he wanted to make things better. An axis of evil. Not quite true Kerms. Rockets are routinely fired onto Israels civilians and given that all of Israels neighbours are quite open in their desire to wipe Israel and Israelis off the map and Israel are quite prepared to act quickly and not really worred about whats proportionate and whats not to try and apportion 'blame' when anything kicks off is pretty moot imho. Israels backing by the US, its disregard for territorial rights dont do anything to help the situation either nor does the rhetoric about martyrs and martyrdom and sabre rattling from Hamas at every opportunity A conflict that will never end in our lifetime There is also a general election coming up. The secret of blowing up your Palestinian neighbours is timing. As neighbours go the front wheelers have the national equivilants of the Wests, Mugabes and Kyles next door so how anyone cant take 'sides' in what is a total ball of s***e is beyond me. Given the track record of treatment the jews have I can see how they are a might touchy Edited by The Sash (18 Nov 2012 8.15pm) Sash do you think anyone on here will know what frontwheelers relates to ? I am expecting Peter Herbert and teh SBL to report me any minute Suicide. As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Nov 12 8.33pm

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An axis of evil.

A conflict that will never end in our lifetime

There is also a general election coming up. The secret of blowing up your Palestinian neighbours is timing.

As neighbours go the front wheelers have the national equivilants of the Wests, Mugabes and Kyles next door so how anyone cant take 'sides' in what is a total ball of s***e is beyond me.

Given the track record of treatment the jews have I can see how they are a might touchy

Edited by The Sash (18 Nov 2012 8.15pm)

Sash do you think anyone on here will know what frontwheelers relates to ?

I am expecting Peter Herbert and teh SBL to report me any minute Suicide.

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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Oliver Bodega Bay 18 Nov 12 8.35pm
The threat from rockets is overplayed by Israel. The total fatalities from rocket and mortar attacks since 2001 is 61 and prior to the killing of Ahmed Jabari there had been no fatalities since August 2011. Most of the rocket attacks are currently coming from the Gaza Strip where there is a high population density and thus rockets are fired from residential areas. The Palestinian territories (Gaza Strip & West Bank) are 15th in the mostly densely populated territories according to the UN. I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.
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Bodega Bay 18 Nov 12 8.35pm

The threat from rockets is overplayed by Israel. The total fatalities from rocket and mortar attacks since 2001 is 61 and prior to the killing of Ahmed Jabari there had been no fatalities since August 2011.

Most of the rocket attacks are currently coming from the Gaza Strip where there is a high population density and thus rockets are fired from residential areas. The Palestinian territories (Gaza Strip & West Bank) are 15th in the mostly densely populated territories according to the UN.

I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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Bert the Head Epsom 18 Nov 12 8.55pm
Quote Catfish at 18 Nov 2012 7.19pm Heavy handed yes. Any country that comes under repeated rocket attacks is likely to strike back at some point but I think they have made their point. ...but then doesn't any country or people that have had their land stolen have every right to launch rocket attacks? I don't remember us asking Kuwait to sit tight after Iraq invaded. Edited by Bert the Head (18 Nov 2012 8.55pm)
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Quote Catfish at 18 Nov 2012 7.19pm

Heavy handed yes. Any country that comes under repeated rocket attacks is likely to strike back at some point but I think they have made their point.

...but then doesn't any country or people that have had their land stolen have every right to launch rocket attacks?

I don't remember us asking Kuwait to sit tight after Iraq invaded.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Nov 12 8.57pm
Quote Oliver at 18 Nov 2012 8.35pm The threat from rockets is overplayed by Israel. The total fatalities from rocket and mortar attacks since 2001 is 61 and prior to the killing of Ahmed Jabari there had been no fatalities since August 2011. Most of the rocket attacks are currently coming from the Gaza Strip where there is a high population density and thus rockets are fired from residential areas. The Palestinian territories (Gaza Strip & West Bank) are 15th in the mostly densely populated territories according to the UN. All of which is irrelevant - If Plaid Hamas were firing the odd banger into Bristol from Cardiff who would give a monkeys whether it was 6,61 or 610 fatalities in the last couple of years, you would want it stopped by any means necessary Its the act not the score that is relevant for Israel. Its almost got to the point where the Israelis now have to over react - any sign of 'weakness' just cant be shown Unless both sides fundamentally shift their positions then nothing is ever going to change Edited by The Sash (18 Nov 2012 9.00pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Quote Oliver at 18 Nov 2012 8.35pm

The threat from rockets is overplayed by Israel. The total fatalities from rocket and mortar attacks since 2001 is 61 and prior to the killing of Ahmed Jabari there had been no fatalities since August 2011.

Most of the rocket attacks are currently coming from the Gaza Strip where there is a high population density and thus rockets are fired from residential areas. The Palestinian territories (Gaza Strip & West Bank) are 15th in the mostly densely populated territories according to the UN.

All of which is irrelevant - If Plaid Hamas were firing the odd banger into Bristol from Cardiff who would give a monkeys whether it was 6,61 or 610 fatalities in the last couple of years, you would want it stopped by any means necessary

Its the act not the score that is relevant for Israel.

Its almost got to the point where the Israelis now have to over react - any sign of 'weakness' just cant be shown

Unless both sides fundamentally shift their positions then nothing is ever going to change

Edited by The Sash (18 Nov 2012 9.00pm)

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suicideatselhurst crawley 18 Nov 12 8.58pm
Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 8.33pm Quote suicideatselhurst at 18 Nov 2012 8.22pm Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 8.14pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 8.07pm Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 7.49pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 7.38pm They do this every few years. Kill scores of civilian Palestinians - a lot of them childen - in retaliation for two or three deaths on their side in the guise of fighting terror. It suits them to murder. Keeps the status quo. It also perpetuates hatred. So the wheel is ever turning. Fvcked up in the head government in Tel Aviv. Rabin was the last reasonable one in power. His own side murdered him. Because he wanted to make things better. An axis of evil. Not quite true Kerms. Rockets are routinely fired onto Israels civilians and given that all of Israels neighbours are quite open in their desire to wipe Israel and Israelis off the map and Israel are quite prepared to act quickly and not really worred about whats proportionate and whats not to try and apportion 'blame' when anything kicks off is pretty moot imho. Israels backing by the US, its disregard for territorial rights dont do anything to help the situation either nor does the rhetoric about martyrs and martyrdom and sabre rattling from Hamas at every opportunity A conflict that will never end in our lifetime There is also a general election coming up. The secret of blowing up your Palestinian neighbours is timing. As neighbours go the front wheelers have the national equivilants of the Wests, Mugabes and Kyles next door so how anyone cant take 'sides' in what is a total ball of s***e is beyond me. Given the track record of treatment the jews have I can see how they are a might touchy Edited by The Sash (18 Nov 2012 8.15pm) Sash do you think anyone on here will know what frontwheelers relates to ? I am expecting Peter Herbert and teh SBL to report me any minute Suicide. We wont let them take you Sash, we could do a drone attack on their HQ, wherever that is Theres someone in my head ... But its not me X/Box game Tag bazcpfc1961, clan (HMS)
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An axis of evil.

A conflict that will never end in our lifetime

There is also a general election coming up. The secret of blowing up your Palestinian neighbours is timing.

As neighbours go the front wheelers have the national equivilants of the Wests, Mugabes and Kyles next door so how anyone cant take 'sides' in what is a total ball of s***e is beyond me.

Given the track record of treatment the jews have I can see how they are a might touchy

Edited by The Sash (18 Nov 2012 8.15pm)

Sash do you think anyone on here will know what frontwheelers relates to ?

I am expecting Peter Herbert and teh SBL to report me any minute Suicide.

We wont let them take you Sash, we could do a drone attack on their HQ, wherever that is

Theres someone in my head ... But its not me

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palace.wmids walsall 18 Nov 12 9.02pm
Over the boarder from Israel, in Syria, there is a civil war which has claimed literally tens of thousands of lives. But nobody is bothered. Yet when Israel has enough of Hamas (fascists) provoking, the hand wringing begins. If you lived in Israel, would you want your government to do nothing to stop missile attacks? As firing missiles at cities is an offensive act of war....Hamas can hardly play the victim on this.
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Over the boarder from Israel, in Syria, there is a civil war which has claimed literally tens of thousands of lives. But nobody is bothered.

Yet when Israel has enough of Hamas (fascists) provoking, the hand wringing begins. If you lived in Israel, would you want your government to do nothing to stop missile attacks? As firing missiles at cities is an offensive act of war....Hamas can hardly play the victim on this.

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Bert the Head Epsom 18 Nov 12 9.09pm
Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 7.49pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 7.38pm They do this every few years. Kill scores of civilian Palestinians - a lot of them childen - in retaliation for two or three deaths on their side in the guise of fighting terror. It suits them to murder. Keeps the status quo. It also perpetuates hatred. So the wheel is ever turning. Fvcked up in the head government in Tel Aviv. Rabin was the last reasonable one in power. His own side murdered him. Because he wanted to make things better. An axis of evil. Not quite true Kerms. Rockets are routinely fired onto Israels civilians and given that all of Israels neighbours are quite open in their desire to wipe Israel and Israelis off the map and Israel are quite prepared to act quickly and not really worred about whats proportionate and whats not to try and apportion 'blame' when anything kicks off is pretty moot imho. Israels backing by the US, its disregard for territorial rights dont do anything to help the situation either nor does the rhetoric about martyrs and martyrdom and sabre rattling from Hamas at every opportunity A conflict that will never end in our lifetime I find it ironic that everyone keeps banging on about "Israels neighbours are quite open in their desire to wipe Israel and Israelis off the map" but isn't that exactly what Israel is doing to the Palestianians?"
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Epsom 18 Nov 12 9.09pm

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An axis of evil.

A conflict that will never end in our lifetime

I find it ironic that everyone keeps banging on about
"Israels neighbours are quite open in their desire to wipe Israel and Israelis off the map" but isn't that exactly what Israel is doing to the Palestianians?"

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Nov 12 9.22pm
Quote Bert the Head at 18 Nov 2012 9.09pm Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 7.49pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 7.38pm They do this every few years. Kill scores of civilian Palestinians - a lot of them childen - in retaliation for two or three deaths on their side in the guise of fighting terror. It suits them to murder. Keeps the status quo. It also perpetuates hatred. So the wheel is ever turning. Fvcked up in the head government in Tel Aviv. Rabin was the last reasonable one in power. His own side murdered him. Because he wanted to make things better. An axis of evil. Not quite true Kerms. Rockets are routinely fired onto Israels civilians and given that all of Israels neighbours are quite open in their desire to wipe Israel and Israelis off the map and Israel are quite prepared to act quickly and not really worred about whats proportionate and whats not to try and apportion 'blame' when anything kicks off is pretty moot imho. Israels backing by the US, its disregard for territorial rights dont do anything to help the situation either nor does the rhetoric about martyrs and martyrdom and sabre rattling from Hamas at every opportunity A conflict that will never end in our lifetime I find it ironic that everyone keeps banging on about "Israels neighbours are quite open in their desire to wipe Israel and Israelis off the map" but isn't that exactly what Israel is doing to the Palestianians?" Just because you dont fawn over the poor oppressed Palestinians it doesnt automatically make you a supporter of Israel. The fact Israel has enemies on all sides of its border does give a wee clue to understanding their (over) reaction and hard arsed stance though surely ???? As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Nov 12 9.22pm

Quote Bert the Head at 18 Nov 2012 9.09pm

Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2012 7.49pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Nov 2012 7.38pm

An axis of evil.

A conflict that will never end in our lifetime

Just because you dont fawn over the poor oppressed Palestinians it doesnt automatically make you a supporter of Israel.

The fact Israel has enemies on all sides of its border does give a wee clue to understanding their (over) reaction and hard arsed stance though surely ????

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