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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 01 Apr 14 9.35pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm

the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
the need to open the gates in the first place.
The answer is because there was a load of pissed up scousers who got there late and tried t o cause trouble because they couldn't get in.
so in my opinion there fans caused it themselves.


Your opinion is factually wrong.

The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them.

Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm)

 


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Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm

the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
the need to open the gates in the first place.
The answer is because there was a load of pissed up scousers who got there late and tried t o cause trouble because they couldn't get in.
so in my opinion there fans caused it themselves.


So. you used to work for The Sun I see.

 


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Quote Tim Gypsy Hill '64 at 01 Apr 2014 9.42pm

Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm

the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
the need to open the gates in the first place.
The answer is because there was a load of pissed up scousers who got there late and tried t o cause trouble because they couldn't get in.
so in my opinion there fans caused it themselves.


So. you used to work for The Sun I see.


 


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View Bert the Head's Profile Bert the Head Flag Epsom 01 Apr 14 10.15pm Send a Private Message to Bert the Head Add Bert the Head as a friend

Quote paperhat at 01 Apr 2014 5.26pm

Quote Seth at 01 Apr 2014 5.22pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 01 Apr 2014 5.11pm

I am sorry but I couldn't care less if it happened to us hardly anyone wouldn't take any notice. Ill participate in the silence but I wont pander up to it anymore then that.


You couldn't care less that 96 innocent people, men women and kids, went to a football match and never went home?

It could've been any team's fans, including us.

And what about Heysel, Bradford et al?

The only reason this is taking any importance is because its currently in the news. If anything at all, there should be a protest against sh1tty policing should there not?

It is important because of the number of people who died and because the causes were initially covered up by the police who lied in their statements - The Sun's horrific reporting set the tone.

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 01 Apr 2014 9.35pm

Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm

the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
the need to open the gates in the first place.
The answer is because there was a load of pissed up scousers who got there late and tried t o cause trouble because they couldn't get in.
so in my opinion there fans caused it themselves.


Your opinion is factually wrong.

The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them.

Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm)

The new inquest into the Hillsborough Disaster has just opened and could take a WHOLE YEAR to be heard. In my opinion, only the Jury who will sit through all of this evidence will be able to make an accurate and informed decision on exactly what happened that day, what went wrong and why (including deciding, if they can, who was at fault).

One thing we all know that 96 football fans just like us tragically died and of course we should respect the silence, I'm sure we all will. People have mentioned other tragedies and I agree that they should not be forgotten or overshadowed. I don't feel a banner is necessary myself. It's not something specific to our club any more than any other club and as football fans I think adhering to the silence is an appropriate way to show our respect.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 Apr 14 10.50pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Why do some of our fans feel the need to get a banner out whenever possible?

 


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View Firegut's Profile Firegut Flag Croydon 01 Apr 14 11.29pm Send a Private Message to Firegut Add Firegut as a friend

Good call for any banner to protest against police cover ups - in theory, at least

 

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Quote Firegut at 01 Apr 2014 11.29pm

Good call for any banner to protest against police cover ups - in theory, at least


yeah, great idea. lets give the local plod more reason to pick on th HF shall we?

 


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Quote Jimenez at 01 Apr 2014 2.07pm

As long as we do one for the Bradford fans & one to commemorate the victims of Heysel as well, then I'm in.
Also The Ibrox disaster could be another one and also The Munich Plane Crash as well.

Agree - all such deaths are tragic - not just those that could possibly be blamed on poor crowd control by some
police officers.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Apr 14 10.28am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

What about floods, Tsunamis, plane crashes, coach crashes, boat sinkings, earthquakes, tornados, serial killers?

 


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Quote Cucking Funt at 01 Apr 2014 8.17pm

Quote Seththe 01 Apr 2014 6.08pm

Quote paperhat at 01 Apr 2014 5.26pm

Quote Seth at 01 Apr 2014 5.22pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 01 Apr 2014 5.11pm

I am sorry but I couldn't care less if it happened to us hardly anyone wouldn't take any notice. Ill participate in the silence but I wont pander up to it anymore then that.


You couldn't care less that 96 innocent people, men women and kids, went to a football match and never went home?

It could've been any team's fans, including us.

And what about Heysel, Bradford et al?

The only reason this is taking any importance is because its currently in the news. If anything at all, there should be a protest against sh1tty policing should there not?


Heysel & Bradford are different issues; the OP's question was about Hillsborough. By your logic there would be no commemoration of anything.

It's "taking importance" as you put it because it's 25 years ago this month and the new inquest is beginning. As football fans we should support the Hillsborough campaigners because it could've been any of us and if it was us, I'd want other fans to support us.

Agree the policing of the event should be looked at, which it will be during the course of the inquest.

For EastEndPalace to say he "couldn't care less" that 96 people died at a football match is worrying for all fans, imo.


It was indeed a tragic event, magnified as it was by the subsequent atrocious conduct of the police and baser elements of the press. However, there have been other, equally tragic events as others have mentioned, such as Ibrox, Heysel and Valley Parade which do not seem to attract the same level of public gushing when their respective anniversaries come round. We, as a club, don't even commemorate the anniversary of Paul Nixon's death, an event that, although dissimilar in scale, had a profound effect on the supporters of this club.

Is it because the Liverpudlian psyche seems to define itself through misery, 'hardship' and a victim culture? Is it coincidental that Liverpool has been described as 'The Self Pity Capital of Europe'? Why has Hillsborough leap-frogged other, equally dreadful, tragedies in the public imagination?

I am fully prepared to observe the silence at the Villa game but surely a 7 minute delay to the kickoff is a bit OTT. I also dislike this attitude of 'observe it or you're a c*nt' which seems to be all too prevalent these days.

It's got a little out of hand, in my view.


Nailed it Mr Funt

 


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View oohahh's Profile oohahh Flag Caterham 02 Apr 14 10.31am Send a Private Message to oohahh Add oohahh as a friend

There were many 'pissed up scousers' as someone called them, pushing from the back and the gates were opened. But it was the innocent people at the front, who had already got in who were crushed.
Steel Barriers to stop people getting on the pitch didn't help the situation. Who was responsible for the installation of these at all grounds?

 

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