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Quote Kermit8 at 01 Apr 2014 8.57pm

If the police hadn't been so incompetent and then tried to cover up through lies and distortion what had actually happened as did some elements of the media this would have been put to bed a long time ago. The coroner got it wrong too.

It has gone on way too long, it's boring now tbh, but it is not the scousers fault. It's the West Yorkshire Old Bill from back then giving the families no option but to fight back and keep it high on the agenda, no matter how long it takes to get the real facts confirmed by the judiciary, so they can eventually move on.

If it were your son or daughter who had died you'd be doing the same.

Heysel, Bradford and Ibrox. There was no police cover-up. That's the difference.


Agreed that it's gettig boring and it's not the Scousers' fault. Well not any of the ones dead or in early or at the front it wasn't. However, that's been debated at length before.

But saying if it was someone else's son or daughter they'd have done the same you cannot be sure of. This kind of drawn out protest damages and ends relationships that otherwise might have lasted much longer. Often it can be where one wants to carry on and another wants to go forward and not keep it at the forefront of their lives.

 


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Quote oohahh at 02 Apr 2014 10.31am

There were many 'pissed up scousers' as someone called them, pushing from the back and the gates were opened. But it was the innocent people at the front, who had already got in who were crushed.
Steel Barriers to stop people getting on the pitch didn't help the situation. Who was responsible for the installation of these at all grounds?[/quote]


Chelsea, Leeds and Millwall fans in the main. Then a plethora of other clubs with troublesome fans.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 01 Apr 2014 9.35pm

Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm

the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
the need to open the gates in the first place.
The answer is because there was a load of pissed up scousers who got there late and tried t o cause trouble because they couldn't get in.
so in my opinion there fans caused it themselves.


Your opinion is factually wrong.

The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them.

Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm)

Factually wrong?

So there were NO drunk Liverpool fans pushing from the back and recently opened gates, trying to get in?

 


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Quote EastEndPalace at 01 Apr 2014 5.11pm

I am sorry but I couldn't care less if it happened to us hardly anyone wouldn't take any notice. Ill participate in the silence but I wont pander up to it anymore then that.


You couldn't care less that 96 innocent people, men women and kids, went to a football match and never went home?

It could've been any team's fans, including us.

And what about Heysel, Bradford et al?

The only reason this is taking any importance is because its currently in the news. If anything at all, there should be a protest against sh1tty policing should there not?


Heysel & Bradford are different issues; the OP's question was about Hillsborough. By your logic there would be no commemoration of anything.

It's "taking importance" as you put it because it's 25 years ago this month and the new inquest is beginning. As football fans we should support the Hillsborough campaigners because it could've been any of us and if it was us, I'd want other fans to support us.

Agree the policing of the event should be looked at, which it will be during the course of the inquest.

For EastEndPalace to say he "couldn't care less" that 96 people died at a football match is worrying for all fans, imo.


It was indeed a tragic event, magnified as it was by the subsequent atrocious conduct of the police and baser elements of the press. However, there have been other, equally tragic events as others have mentioned, such as Ibrox, Heysel and Valley Parade which do not seem to attract the same level of public gushing when their respective anniversaries come round. We, as a club, don't even commemorate the anniversary of Paul Nixon's death, an event that, although dissimilar in scale, had a profound effect on the supporters of this club.

Is it because the Liverpudlian psyche seems to define itself through misery, 'hardship' and a victim culture? Is it coincidental that Liverpool has been described as 'The Self Pity Capital of Europe'? Why has Hillsborough leap-frogged other, equally dreadful, tragedies in the public imagination?

I am fully prepared to observe the silence at the Villa game but surely a 7 minute delay to the kickoff is a bit OTT. I also dislike this attitude of 'observe it or you're a c*nt' which seems to be all too prevalent these days.

It's got a little out of hand, in my view.


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seconded mr.f

 

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Quote paperhat at 02 Apr 2014 11.24am

Quote Kermit8 at 01 Apr 2014 9.35pm

Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm

the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
the need to open the gates in the first place.
The answer is because there was a load of pissed up scousers who got there late and tried t o cause trouble because they couldn't get in.
so in my opinion there fans caused it themselves.


Your opinion is factually wrong.

The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them.

Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm)

Factually wrong?

So there were NO drunk Liverpool fans pushing from the back and recently opened gates, trying to get in?


You can't be that thick that you do not know what a bottleneck is and its unavoidable results if not managed properly, can you?.

What's your point?

Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 12.49pm)

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 02 Apr 2014 10.41am

Quote oohahh at 02 Apr 2014 10.31am

There were many 'pissed up scousers' as someone called them, pushing from the back and the gates were opened. But it was the innocent people at the front, who had already got in who were crushed.
Steel Barriers to stop people getting on the pitch didn't help the situation. Who was responsible for the installation of these at all grounds?[/quote]


Chelsea, Leeds and Millwall fans in the main. Then a plethora of other clubs with troublesome fans.


Ha ha, you won't even admit that Liverpool fans were 'a bit naughty' in the old days, you've been brainwashed.

Edited by Plane (02 Apr 2014 1.57pm)

 

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Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm

the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
the need to open the gates in the first place.
The answer is because there was a load of pissed up scousers who got there late and tried t o cause trouble because they couldn't get in.
so in my opinion there fans caused it themselves.


Oh my god, you have completely missed it here, a bit like the Sun did and their discredited reports. The question is... if some people are allowed to behave badly but the police allow it to happen and then there is an indirect tragic consequence to this misbehaviour, why would the police want to lie about it? Why would the police try to prevent emergency remedial action to take place? And then, why would the police attempt to cover their tracks and alter the reports of the officers who were there?
So before a remark like the above gets spouted, lets face the facts and answer these more apt questions.

 

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In a nutshell, Kermit.

 

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Adhering to the silence goes without saying.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a banner when they visit us though.

I appreciate the importance of the inquiry, I appreciate the effort the families have made in reaching this point and the obvious injustice they feel. I agree that this has gone on long enough, but as the initial findings seem to suggest, it's not the victim's families fault that we are still here in 2014.

I think, ultimately, the importance of the silence, or any subsequent banners or displays, is that the lives of anyone who lost their life in and around the game of football under tragic circumstances should be remembered and not forgotten. It's not just about the 96 inquest, it's not about the injustice, or who was to blame. It's about the lives of those that lost their lives. Normal people, men, women, children. Those who have a memorial outside a stadium, those that don't. Heysel, Bradford, Paul Nixon.

Forget about the politics, and remember the people. Any effort made by our fans should, IMHO, echo this sentiment, and not spark a political debate.

 


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Quote Leicestershireeagle at 02 Apr 2014 2.42pm

Adhering to the silence goes without saying.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a banner when they visit us though.

I appreciate the importance of the inquiry, I appreciate the effort the families have made in reaching this point and the obvious injustice they feel. I agree that this has gone on long enough, but as the initial findings seem to suggest, it's not the victim's families fault that we are still here in 2014.

I think, ultimately, the importance of the silence, or any subsequent banners or displays, is that the lives of anyone who lost their life in and around the game of football under tragic circumstances should be remembered and not forgotten. It's not just about the 96 inquest, it's not about the injustice, or who was to blame. It's about the lives of those that lost their lives. Normal people, men, women, children. Those who have a memorial outside a stadium, those that don't. Heysel, Bradford, Paul Nixon.

Forget about the politics, and remember the people. Any effort made by our fans should, IMHO, echo this sentiment, and not spark a political debate.


Forget the politics! Ok lets accept the status quo and be happy to see and attend many more 'minute silences'. Such meek, sheepish attitudes, though they may be charitably used to create harmony, also allow the perpetrators of these 'crimes' to get off the hook. Hard it may seem to good hearted people, but nevertheless a blood letting is a must to allow any real good to come out of this whole rotten mess. Do not let sentiment to obscure the guilt of those responsible. To do so will negate the efforts of those still fighting for justice, those who lost relations at Hillsborough. Respectfully, I suggest we need to get real.

 

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Quote adrian b at 02 Apr 2014 3.04pm

Quote Leicestershireeagle at 02 Apr 2014 2.42pm

Adhering to the silence goes without saying.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a banner when they visit us though.

I appreciate the importance of the inquiry, I appreciate the effort the families have made in reaching this point and the obvious injustice they feel. I agree that this has gone on long enough, but as the initial findings seem to suggest, it's not the victim's families fault that we are still here in 2014.

I think, ultimately, the importance of the silence, or any subsequent banners or displays, is that the lives of anyone who lost their life in and around the game of football under tragic circumstances should be remembered and not forgotten. It's not just about the 96 inquest, it's not about the injustice, or who was to blame. It's about the lives of those that lost their lives. Normal people, men, women, children. Those who have a memorial outside a stadium, those that don't. Heysel, Bradford, Paul Nixon.

Forget about the politics, and remember the people. Any effort made by our fans should, IMHO, echo this sentiment, and not spark a political debate.


Forget the politics! Ok lets accept the status quo and be happy to see and attend many more 'minute silences'. Such meek, sheepish attitudes, though they may be charitably used to create harmony, also allow the perpetrators of these 'crimes' to get off the hook. Hard it may seem to good hearted people, but nevertheless a blood letting is a must to allow any real good to come out of this whole rotten mess. Do not let sentiment to obscure the guilt of those responsible. To do so will negate the efforts of those still fighting for justice, those who lost relations at Hillsborough. Respectfully, I suggest we need to get real.

There's a time and a place. The politics can all too often obscure what really matters.


 


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Sorry Leicester, but this is not the time to let up on the pressure to put the guilty where they belong. Without a basic alteration in the attitude of those responsible for our safety at football matches, we are all in peril. Be caring by all means but really remember the issues here.

 

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