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the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
the need to open the gates in the first place.
The answer is because there was a load of pissed up scousers who got there late and tried t o cause trouble because they couldn't get in.
so in my opinion there fans caused it themselves.


Your opinion is factually wrong.

The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them.

Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm)

Factually wrong?

So there were NO drunk Liverpool fans pushing from the back and recently opened gates, trying to get in?


You can't be that thick that you do not know what a bottleneck is and its unavoidable results if not managed properly, can you?.

What's your point?


Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 12.49pm)

I'm well aware of what a bottleneck is and results of unmanaged actions, I'm also capable of posting without resorting to personal insults.

My point was that whilst the OP was a little direct in his 'statement of fact', you completely deny that anyone was drunk as if it wasn't even possible. That simple action still happens to this very day, pissed up supporters turning up at the last minute, trying to 'speed up' the queues to get in.

Edited by paperhat (02 Apr 2014 3.33pm)


I haven't though, have I? Where?

3pm kick off on a Saturday? Of course alcohol on peoples breath was present like there would have been at every other ground that day.

The 'drink' is incidental.

I wasn't intending to insult btw. Just asking a very direct question because your initial post made me wonder?


Ok, as your memory seems to be going, i've highlighted/underlined the bits you need to see.

The OP stated that in his opinion, p1ssed up scousers caused the problem, you then go on to say that his opinion is factually wrong, therefore factually, the p1ssed up fans were nothing to do with the cause.

So, whilst you didnt specifically didnt mention alcohol, you quite clearly confirm that in your opinion it wasnt an issue.

And yes you were clearly intending to insult, at least have the balls to admit that.


No, an insult would be 'you are thick' - I was merely asking IF you were thick as your post implied that you may be. I didn't think you were probably hence the directness in my question. You took it to be an insult. Your prerogative. It was more of a jibe I would say.

Mr Mojo actually stated "in my opinion there (sic) fans caused it themselves" - His opinion is wrong. As I said.

One thing that does get on my tits is posters putting words into other posters musings to suit their own agenda and then getting all defensive when they are pulled up on it.

Read the posts. Carefully. Then best reply keeping to the point. A good way I find.

"You completely deny anyone was drunk" - What are you on about? It's just made-up, knee-jerk bollocks.

If only you had bothered to put a question mark at the end - My answer would have been 'of course there were some. Didn't see any but logic dictates'

Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 6.43pm)

 


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the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
the need to open the gates in the first place.
The answer is because there was a load of pissed up scousers who got there late and tried t o cause trouble because they couldn't get in.
so in my opinion there fans caused it themselves.


Your opinion is factually wrong.

The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them.

Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm)

Factually wrong?

So there were NO drunk Liverpool fans pushing from the back and recently opened gates, trying to get in?


You can't be that thick that you do not know what a bottleneck is and its unavoidable results if not managed properly, can you?.

What's your point?


Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 12.49pm)

I'm well aware of what a bottleneck is and results of unmanaged actions, I'm also capable of posting without resorting to personal insults.

My point was that whilst the OP was a little direct in his 'statement of fact', you completely deny that anyone was drunk as if it wasn't even possible. That simple action still happens to this very day, pissed up supporters turning up at the last minute, trying to 'speed up' the queues to get in.

Edited by paperhat (02 Apr 2014 3.33pm)


I haven't though, have I? Where?

3pm kick off on a Saturday? Of course alcohol on peoples breath was present like there would have been at every other ground that day.

The 'drink' is incidental.

I wasn't intending to insult btw. Just asking a very direct question because your initial post made me wonder?


Ok, as your memory seems to be going, i've highlighted/underlined the bits you need to see.

The OP stated that in his opinion, p1ssed up scousers caused the problem, you then go on to say that his opinion is factually wrong, therefore factually, the p1ssed up fans were nothing to do with the cause.

So, whilst you didnt specifically didnt mention alcohol, you quite clearly confirm that in your opinion it wasnt an issue.

And yes you were clearly intending to insult, at least have the balls to admit that.


No, an insult would be 'you are thick' - I was merely asking IF you were thick as your post implied that you may be. I didn't think you were probably hence the directness in my question. You took it to be an insult. Your prerogative.

Mr Mojo actually stated "in my opinion there (sic) fans caused it themselves" - His opinion is wrong. As I said.

One thing that does get on my tits is posters putting words into other posters musings to suit their own agenda and then getting all defensive when they are pulled up on it.

Read the posts. Carefully. Then best reply keeping to the point. A good way I find.

"You completely deny anyone was drunk" - What are you on about? It's just made-up, knee-jerk bollocks.

Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 6.27pm)

But the fans did cause it themselves, at least partly, so how is he wrong?
The police also caused it, I must add.

 

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the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
the need to open the gates in the first place.
The answer is because there was a load of pissed up scousers who got there late and tried t o cause trouble because they couldn't get in.
so in my opinion there fans caused it themselves.


Your opinion is factually wrong.

The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them.

Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm)

Factually wrong?

So there were NO drunk Liverpool fans pushing from the back and recently opened gates, trying to get in?


You can't be that thick that you do not know what a bottleneck is and its unavoidable results if not managed properly, can you?.

What's your point?


Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 12.49pm)

I'm well aware of what a bottleneck is and results of unmanaged actions, I'm also capable of posting without resorting to personal insults.

My point was that whilst the OP was a little direct in his 'statement of fact', you completely deny that anyone was drunk as if it wasn't even possible. That simple action still happens to this very day, pissed up supporters turning up at the last minute, trying to 'speed up' the queues to get in.

Edited by paperhat (02 Apr 2014 3.33pm)


I haven't though, have I? Where?

3pm kick off on a Saturday? Of course alcohol on peoples breath was present like there would have been at every other ground that day.

The 'drink' is incidental.

I wasn't intending to insult btw. Just asking a very direct question because your initial post made me wonder?


Ok, as your memory seems to be going, i've highlighted/underlined the bits you need to see.

The OP stated that in his opinion, p1ssed up scousers caused the problem, you then go on to say that his opinion is factually wrong, therefore factually, the p1ssed up fans were nothing to do with the cause.

So, whilst you didnt specifically didnt mention alcohol, you quite clearly confirm that in your opinion it wasnt an issue.

And yes you were clearly intending to insult, at least have the balls to admit that.


No, an insult would be 'you are thick' - I was merely asking IF you were thick as your post implied that you may be. I didn't think you were probably hence the directness in my question. You took it to be an insult. Your prerogative.

Mr Mojo actually stated "in my opinion there (sic) fans caused it themselves" - His opinion is wrong. As I said.

One thing that does get on my tits is posters putting words into other posters musings to suit their own agenda and then getting all defensive when they are pulled up on it.

Read the posts. Carefully. Then best reply keeping to the point. A good way I find.

"You completely deny anyone was drunk" - What are you on about? It's just made-up, knee-jerk bollocks.

Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 6.27pm)

But the fans did cause it themselves, at least partly, so how is he wrong?
The police also caused it, I must add.


Yep, true. They caused it by deciding to go to an FA Cup semi-final and not realising there was going to be a severe bottleneck outside the ground caused by negligent police crowd control in not filtering them away from the ground as they had done at Hillsborough previously because of the crowding issues.

Don't know what they are complaining about really.

 


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In response to the question 'should we have a banner?' , in my humble opinion no we shouldn't , just observe the silence and spare a thought for the poor sods that lost their lives on that day and then cheer on our boys to another 3 points. The one thing that I am hoping will come of the enquiry is that we may be told that Margaret Thatcher hushed up some of the facts at the time thus supplying more evidence to myself that she was a criminally insane and evil wench (god rest her soul)

 


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All I hope, is we totally de-rail the scouse title hopes when we play 'em.
the one time we qualify for Europe,nobody goes because they played up @ Heysel and caused deaths of others.
Norwich lost out too.
got no real love for Liverpool fc.
In '70s had mates get a kicking from them outside selhurst area & robbed.
It was common practice for 'scally's' to go away with no dosh and mug to get it.
don't like them.
terrible for those that died that day,RIP, but bollocks to scouse fc,besides that.

 


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Yep, true. They caused it by deciding to go to an FA Cup semi-final and not realising there was going to be a severe bottleneck outside the ground
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A bottle-neck outside of any arena is the norm and has no bearing whatsoever on things that happen 'inside' an arena.

I sat in front of my TV that day to watch the match. What I saw was many hundreds/thousands of fans paying scant regard to their FELLOW supporters! I was a neutral viewer but couldn't believe what I was seeing!
Personally, the fault lies at the feet of those fans involved who are still alive today.
A tragic incident, and for sure the authorities may well have dropped their guard.......................but I know what I saw.

Either way, a tragic loss.
To 'The 96'..........RIP fellow fans (Angel)

 

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As long as we also have a banner demanding justice for the poor souls who died in the Heysel disaster I would contribute.

 

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Yep, true. They caused it by deciding to go to an FA Cup semi-final and not realising there was going to be a severe bottleneck outside the ground
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A bottle-neck outside of any arena is the norm and has no bearing whatsoever on things that happen 'inside' an arena.

I sat in front of my TV that day to watch the match. What I saw was many hundreds/thousands of fans paying scant regard to their FELLOW supporters! I was a neutral viewer but couldn't believe what I was seeing!
Personally, the fault lies at the feet of those fans involved who are still alive today.
A tragic incident, and for sure the authorities may well have dropped their guard.......................but I know what I saw.

Either way, a tragic loss.
To 'The 96'..........RIP fellow fans (Angel)


What you saw, or what you read in the Sun? I didn't see anything like that, did anyone else? Would you mind posting up the live footage showing this?

 


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There were many 'pissed up scousers' as someone called them, pushing from the back and the gates were opened. But it was the innocent people at the front, who had already got in who were crushed.
Steel Barriers to stop people getting on the pitch didn't help the situation. Who was responsible for the installation of these at all grounds?[/quote]


Chelsea, Leeds and Millwall fans in the main. Then a plethora of other clubs with troublesome fans.


Ha ha, you won't even admit that Liverpool fans were 'a bit naughty' in the old days, you've been brainwashed.

Edited by Plane (02 Apr 2014 1.57pm)


Your memory is letting you down. The really big mobs who wrecked stadiums and liked a pitch invasion or two - the ones ultimately who gave the authorities no choice but to put up barriers - weren't the scousers. Someone will now mention Heysel but a lot of the fences had already been erected before then.

Liverpool's nasty fans were more fond of Uncle Stanley and nicking stuff.

You want to believe the Liverpool fans are just as much to blame I am guessing even though the evidence says not? That smacks of social prejudice if so


Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 4.40pm)

My memory is just fine, I don't pop off to wiki for my info, I know what I've seen around the grounds I've been to, you can add Liverpool, Birmingham and Man U to the above list, you really are trying, as are the Liverpudlians, to rewrite history. You have this belief that because the old bill fvcked up, and yes they did, that none of the scallys pushing in for a free watch of the game aren't to blame, you're just deluded.

What evidence might that be? Nice try to divert the argument with the 'social prejudice' remark. FYI, it's just the sweaties I hate

Edited by Plane (03 Apr 2014 9.24am)

 

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Some people have obviously never heard of Stanley Park being nicknamed Stanley 'knife' Park then. In the '80s they started the football casual scene by being in Europe in about 1982. Soon followed by Spurs and then instantly copied by all firms (apart from some scruffy Northerners). Fashion stores were cleared of their shelves and hanger and tills were emptied.

If you didn't go by coach back then you would have to get to Anfield or Goodison by yourself from Lime Street. Not only would you have to get through supporters of the team you were playing but also people not going to the match or supporters of the other club not going to their away game.

Clubs have a mixture of different personalities and habits, to think that Liverpool have always been saints is naive in the extreme.

 


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Yep, true. They caused it by deciding to go to an FA Cup semi-final and not realising there was going to be a severe bottleneck outside the ground
---------------------------

A bottle-neck outside of any arena is the norm and has no bearing whatsoever on things that happen 'inside' an arena.

I sat in front of my TV that day to watch the match. What I saw was many hundreds/thousands of fans paying scant regard to their FELLOW supporters! I was a neutral viewer but couldn't believe what I was seeing!
Personally, the fault lies at the feet of those fans involved who are still alive today.
A tragic incident, and for sure the authorities may well have dropped their guard.......................but I know what I saw.

Either way, a tragic loss.
To 'The 96'..........RIP fellow fans (Angel)


What you saw, or what you read in the Sun? I didn't see anything like that, did anyone else? Would you mind posting up the live footage showing this?

I'll ignore the condescension in the first sentence as it wasn't aimed at me. I saw a documentary made within a year or so of the disaster and it showed Liverpool fans pushing at the gates to get in and climbing the fences around the gates to get in, the ob opened the gate to stop the people at the front getting crushed. They should have then taken proper steps to herd the 'free ticketers' to the side pens but anyone who's been to a match back then knows, the 'boys' always had to be behind the goal, all that is after the event, those who got in free are the culprits and their silence is deafening.

 

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And for those that don't know or don't want to know....

One year after Hillsbrough and during the 2nd half there were scousers being led round the pitch to spare seats by the tunnel near their supporters. These ticketless fans had been playing football in the park to the left of us stood in The Holte End for an hour after kick off.

It wasn't just Liverpool who used to have this. All the bigger clubs involved in big semi-finals or cup finals had it. You used to be able to get into Wembley without paying. Slip the turnstyle fella a few quid or wait for a gate to have to be opened and all rush through.

 


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