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Quote pstrutt at 03 Apr 2014 11.06am

I have made the mistake of thinking there might be some solidarity amongst football fan from different clubs, after all this is about football not just the club involved, but it seems we don't have solidarity amongst our own fans.

I really was clutching at straws.

Never mind. I hope we'll all observe the silence and let's get on with the footy!


 


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Quote Plane at 03 Apr 2014 9.38am

I'll ignore the condescension in the first sentence as it wasn't aimed at me. I saw a documentary made within a year or so of the disaster and it showed Liverpool fans pushing at the gates to get in and climbing the fences around the gates to get in, the ob opened the gate to stop the people at the front getting crushed. They should have then taken proper steps to herd the 'free ticketers' to the side pens but anyone who's been to a match back then knows, the 'boys' always had to be behind the goal, all that is after the event, those who got in free are the culprits and their silence is deafening.


Ok - how many of the 2,000 outside the turnstiles - considering some had been there for half an hour trying to get in - were ticketless? A 100? 500? 1000?

There has been no definitive number of course but logic dictates there must have been a fair few hundred a least.

And West Yorks Police supervisors - at an FA Cup semi-final didn't and couldn't cope with that and ultimately made criminally negligent decisions which they tried then to cover up.

btw re: your memory - My reference points are 1976-84. I was following Palace home and away all over the place and it was what happened in those seasons which put the fences up. What years did you go away during that zenith of hooliganism?

Oh, yeah Wiki? Me? When it comes to football? Ha. No chance. All in me bonce as if it happened yesterday.


And Heysel - Liverpool 'fans' 100% to blame imo. They were a nasty lot some of them.

We'll never know how many were ticketless as they all melted into the background when the sh!t hit and it doesn't really matter how long they had waited.

I agree about the ob, especially West Yorks, they screwed up the ripper investigation but it doesn't lessen the blame that should rightly be laid at the door of the fans who were trying to push their way into the stadium. That is what annoys me with this and a lot of other things in todays society, everyone wants someone, other than themselves, to blame.

'71 - present day, that good enough?

They were a very nasty lot, even before Hillsborough the media would gloss over any 'problems' caused by the big boys, Liverpool and Man U included. I remember being at Anfield probably late '70s early '80s, Keegan was still playing, about two hundred Palace fans were there in the seats and making a bit of noise, which was unusual(we went independently by car), I think they arrived late, we got a draw after being kicked off the pitch, the ref gave nothing (nothing changes), after the game the Kop boys came down to kick the crap out the Palace lot who were in the main scarfers The OB did Fvck all, again nothing changes.


Yep I went to Anfield around that time too. I'm no 'Scousers were angels' revisionist trust me.

But one of the salient facts about Hillsborough after what we had been told was that no matter how many times you watch various bits of film not even one punch can be seen. Anger and crowd crushing/pushing and even some laughing before amongst those outside but no actual aggressive fighting.

If there had been so many out of their head drunk fans without tickets it would have kicked off surely?

Anyway, gatecrashing a party is not a criminal offence and as they had history of doing it the police should have been prepared. Although that still doesn't explain why the fans with tickets were directed into the already full pen.

Down to Superintendent Duckenfield that. He knew it was full yet ordered the gates open.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 03 Apr 2014 11.18am

Quote Plane at 03 Apr 2014 11.04am

Quote Kermit8 at 03 Apr 2014 10.40am

Quote Plane at 03 Apr 2014 9.38am

I'll ignore the condescension in the first sentence as it wasn't aimed at me. I saw a documentary made within a year or so of the disaster and it showed Liverpool fans pushing at the gates to get in and climbing the fences around the gates to get in, the ob opened the gate to stop the people at the front getting crushed. They should have then taken proper steps to herd the 'free ticketers' to the side pens but anyone who's been to a match back then knows, the 'boys' always had to be behind the goal, all that is after the event, those who got in free are the culprits and their silence is deafening.


Ok - how many of the 2,000 outside the turnstiles - considering some had been there for half an hour trying to get in - were ticketless? A 100? 500? 1000?

There has been no definitive number of course but logic dictates there must have been a fair few hundred a least.

And West Yorks Police supervisors - at an FA Cup semi-final didn't and couldn't cope with that and ultimately made criminally negligent decisions which they tried then to cover up.

btw re: your memory - My reference points are 1976-84. I was following Palace home and away all over the place and it was what happened in those seasons which put the fences up. What years did you go away during that zenith of hooliganism?

Oh, yeah Wiki? Me? When it comes to football? Ha. No chance. All in me bonce as if it happened yesterday.


And Heysel - Liverpool 'fans' 100% to blame imo. They were a nasty lot some of them.

We'll never know how many were ticketless as they all melted into the background when the sh!t hit and it doesn't really matter how long they had waited.

I agree about the ob, especially West Yorks, they screwed up the ripper investigation but it doesn't lessen the blame that should rightly be laid at the door of the fans who were trying to push their way into the stadium. That is what annoys me with this and a lot of other things in todays society, everyone wants someone, other than themselves, to blame.

'71 - present day, that good enough?

They were a very nasty lot, even before Hillsborough the media would gloss over any 'problems' caused by the big boys, Liverpool and Man U included. I remember being at Anfield probably late '70s early '80s, Keegan was still playing, about two hundred Palace fans were there in the seats and making a bit of noise, which was unusual(we went independently by car), I think they arrived late, we got a draw after being kicked off the pitch, the ref gave nothing (nothing changes), after the game the Kop boys came down to kick the crap out the Palace lot who were in the main scarfers The OB did Fvck all, again nothing changes.


Yep I went to Anfield around that time too. I'm no 'Scousers were angels' revisionist trust me.

But one of the salient facts about Hillsborough after what we had been told was that no matter how many times you watch various bits of film not even one punch can be seen. Anger and crowd crushing/pushing and even some laughing before amongst those outside but no actual aggressive fighting.

If there had been so many out of their head drunk fans without tickets it would have kicked off surely?

Anyway, gatecrashing a party is not a criminal offence and as they had history of doing it the police should have been prepared. Although that still doesn't explain why the fans with tickets were directed into the already full pen.

Down to Superintendent Duckenfield that. He knew it was full yet ordered the gates open.

There doesn't need to be any punches thrown, they didn't (usually) fight amongst themselves, they were looking for a free ride, in the docu I saw and have mentioned previously, there was a problem at the gates and if I were OB in that situation, in those times, I would have opened the gate, the fans knew it would happen, that's why they were there.

Gate-crashing a party isn't a criminal offence, crushing your supposed compatriots is. As I've said the OB didn't help the situation but the responsibility lies with the late arriving fans.

But it wasn't full, there was room on either side, but as I stated earlier the 'boys' had to be directly behind the goal, that's how it was and you know it.

Anyway, gotta run now, it's been a delight

 

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Quote Plane at 03 Apr 2014 11.31am

Quote Kermit8 at 03 Apr 2014 11.18am

Quote Plane at 03 Apr 2014 11.04am

Quote Kermit8 at 03 Apr 2014 10.40am

Quote Plane at 03 Apr 2014 9.38am

I'll ignore the condescension in the first sentence as it wasn't aimed at me. I saw a documentary made within a year or so of the disaster and it showed Liverpool fans pushing at the gates to get in and climbing the fences around the gates to get in, the ob opened the gate to stop the people at the front getting crushed. They should have then taken proper steps to herd the 'free ticketers' to the side pens but anyone who's been to a match back then knows, the 'boys' always had to be behind the goal, all that is after the event, those who got in free are the culprits and their silence is deafening.


Ok - how many of the 2,000 outside the turnstiles - considering some had been there for half an hour trying to get in - were ticketless? A 100? 500? 1000?

There has been no definitive number of course but logic dictates there must have been a fair few hundred a least.

And West Yorks Police supervisors - at an FA Cup semi-final didn't and couldn't cope with that and ultimately made criminally negligent decisions which they tried then to cover up.

btw re: your memory - My reference points are 1976-84. I was following Palace home and away all over the place and it was what happened in those seasons which put the fences up. What years did you go away during that zenith of hooliganism?

Oh, yeah Wiki? Me? When it comes to football? Ha. No chance. All in me bonce as if it happened yesterday.


And Heysel - Liverpool 'fans' 100% to blame imo. They were a nasty lot some of them.

We'll never know how many were ticketless as they all melted into the background when the sh!t hit and it doesn't really matter how long they had waited.

I agree about the ob, especially West Yorks, they screwed up the ripper investigation but it doesn't lessen the blame that should rightly be laid at the door of the fans who were trying to push their way into the stadium. That is what annoys me with this and a lot of other things in todays society, everyone wants someone, other than themselves, to blame.

'71 - present day, that good enough?

They were a very nasty lot, even before Hillsborough the media would gloss over any 'problems' caused by the big boys, Liverpool and Man U included. I remember being at Anfield probably late '70s early '80s, Keegan was still playing, about two hundred Palace fans were there in the seats and making a bit of noise, which was unusual(we went independently by car), I think they arrived late, we got a draw after being kicked off the pitch, the ref gave nothing (nothing changes), after the game the Kop boys came down to kick the crap out the Palace lot who were in the main scarfers The OB did Fvck all, again nothing changes.


Yep I went to Anfield around that time too. I'm no 'Scousers were angels' revisionist trust me.

But one of the salient facts about Hillsborough after what we had been told was that no matter how many times you watch various bits of film not even one punch can be seen. Anger and crowd crushing/pushing and even some laughing before amongst those outside but no actual aggressive fighting.

If there had been so many out of their head drunk fans without tickets it would have kicked off surely?

Anyway, gatecrashing a party is not a criminal offence and as they had history of doing it the police should have been prepared. Although that still doesn't explain why the fans with tickets were directed into the already full pen.

Down to Superintendent Duckenfield that. He knew it was full yet ordered the gates open.

There doesn't need to be any punches thrown, they didn't (usually) fight amongst themselves, they were looking for a free ride, in the docu I saw and have mentioned previously, there was a problem at the gates and if I were OB in that situation, in those times, I would have opened the gate, the fans knew it would happen, that's why they were there.

Gate-crashing a party isn't a criminal offence, crushing your supposed compatriots is. As I've said the OB didn't help the situation but the responsibility lies with the late arriving fans.

But it wasn't full, there was room on either side, but as I stated earlier the 'boys' had to be directly behind the goal, that's how it was and you know it.

Anyway, gotta run now, it's been a delight


There were roadworks on the way to Sheffield from Liverpool that day and a fair few of those fans had been delayed so arrived near kick-off. Not their fault.

 


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Christ, you could get a coach load of scousers turn up and admit it was their fault and Kerm would argue they weren't responsible, just for the sake of disagreeing.

Mate, you can be as patronising as you want, correct grammar and be as eloquent as you wish with your phrases and descriptions, tie as many people up in your fancy descriptions as you wish. It makes no difference, it's obvious for all to see in that you just come on here to stir up trouble.
You are the Adrian Durham of HOL let yes likeable. And he's a total cnut.

 


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Quote j77 at 03 Apr 2014 10.38am

Scousers used to always push in or "steam" as i think it used to be called. They did it in Istanbul and ruined it for plenty who had tickets and werent allowed in. This with inept ,panic policing all added up to a terrible tragedy. There is plenty that seems to be brushed under the carpet. Police are taking all the blame.

For Christ sake, the police are being blamed because it was they who actually caused the deaths. Make no mistake- they didn't control the crush, rather allowed it. Then they refused to allow fans out of the Lepers End even as they were dying. Then they prevented the emergency services to attend quickly. Those who say they watched it on telly will know they saw fans trying to revive the dying and using make-shift stretchers. Why? Because the police did not allow the medics to get near 'til too late.
Then when Thatcher asked for a report/explanation from the police, all she got was a trumped up mixture of 'eye witness' accounts from the police supporting press in a conspiracy now, after all these years, being exposed. The police modified their individual notes to tarry with each other. They tried to prevent the bodies being re-examined years later because they knew it would be able to ascertain the time differences between when the victims were first given help by fellow fans, to when the ambulance men arrived. Enough time for the victims to die.
The next thing we hear is the police who were at the match were given commendations and some 'had' to be retired early due to trauma. Yes it would make me feel better for us to let the police know we know and stand up for those who died because of the incompetence and subsequent illegal behaviour of the police.

 

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Quote paperhat at 03 Apr 2014 12.10pm

Christ, you could get a coach load of scousers turn up and admit it was their fault and Kerm would argue they weren't responsible, just for the sake of disagreeing.

Mate, you can be as patronising as you want, correct grammar and be as eloquent as you wish with your phrases and descriptions, tie as many people up in your fancy descriptions as you wish. It makes no difference, it's obvious for all to see in that you just come on here to stir up trouble.
You are the Adrian Durham of HOL let yes likeable. And he's a total cnut.


You speak for the whole of Hol now, do you? You arrogant little twerp.

That's not a jibe btw.

Edited by Kermit8 (03 Apr 2014 1.48pm)

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 03 Apr 2014 1.48pm

Quote paperhat at 03 Apr 2014 12.10pm

Christ, you could get a coach load of scousers turn up and admit it was their fault and Kerm would argue they weren't responsible, just for the sake of disagreeing.

Mate, you can be as patronising as you want, correct grammar and be as eloquent as you wish with your phrases and descriptions, tie as many people up in your fancy descriptions as you wish. It makes no difference, it's obvious for all to see in that you just come on here to stir up trouble.
You are the Adrian Durham of HOL let yes likeable. And he's a total cnut.


You speak for the whole of Hol now, do you? You arrogant little twerp.

That's not a jibe btw.

Edited by Kermit8 (03 Apr 2014 1.48pm)

Get back up on your pedestal,there's a good boy.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 03 Apr 2014 1.48pm

Quote paperhat at 03 Apr 2014 12.10pm

Christ, you could get a coach load of scousers turn up and admit it was their fault and Kerm would argue they weren't responsible, just for the sake of disagreeing.

Mate, you can be as patronising as you want, correct grammar and be as eloquent as you wish with your phrases and descriptions, tie as many people up in your fancy descriptions as you wish. It makes no difference, it's obvious for all to see in that you just come on here to stir up trouble.
You are the Adrian Durham of HOL let yes likeable. And he's a total cnut.


You speak for the whole of Hol now, do you? You arrogant little twerp.

That's not a jibe btw.

Edited by Kermit8 (03 Apr 2014 1.48pm)


You stir me up no end, Kermie.

 


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EastEndPalace Flag WithHardNutsCosImAHardBastard 03 Apr 14 2.43pm

Can we start bitching over this and conclude there will be no f***ing banner (Thank god)

 

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Quote EastEndPalace at 03 Apr 2014 2.43pm

Can we start bitching over this and conclude there will be no f***ing banner (Thank god)


We started bitching days ago. It's when we'll stop that's the problem, seeing as this inquest will go on for at least 12 months.

 


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Quote EastEndPalace at 03 Apr 2014 2.43pm

Can we start bitching over this and conclude there will be no f***ing banner (Thank god)


We started bitching days ago. It's when we'll stop that's the problem, seeing as this inquest will go on for at least 12 months.

...but don't worry, we can cut it short now as Kermit8 has all the answers. Don't know why they brought in a jury when they could have gone to him for the low down.

 


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