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Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Derby, Leicester, Ipswich, Bolton, Blackburn and Birmingham


Bolton and Blackburn?! You drunk already?


Bolton are a big club with great history. Blackburn aren't quite so big but are still bigger than us, even if it is by a bit.

Hmm I'd argue that we are of similar size to Bolton, if not we are bigger. They haven't done anything since the 50s.

 


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EastEndPalace Flag WithHardNutsCosImAHardBastard 05 Apr 14 12.42pm

Quote c_block_shedevil at 05 Apr 2014 12.38pm

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Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Derby, Leicester, Ipswich, Bolton, Blackburn and Birmingham


Bolton and Blackburn?! You drunk already?


Bolton are a big club with great history. Blackburn aren't quite so big but are still bigger than us, even if it is by a bit.

Hmm I'd argue that we are of similar size to Bolton, if not we are bigger. They haven't done anything since the 50s.


Blackburn are much bigger then Bolton. Bolton are not much bigger then us.

 

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Quote c_block_shedevil at 05 Apr 2014 12.38pm

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Quote RainhamEagle at 05 Apr 2014 1.30am

Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Derby, Leicester, Ipswich, Bolton, Blackburn and Birmingham


Bolton and Blackburn?! You drunk already?


Bolton are a big club with great history. Blackburn aren't quite so big but are still bigger than us, even if it is by a bit.

Hmm I'd argue that we are of similar size to Bolton, if not we are bigger. They haven't done anything since the 50s.


They're a similar to Preston, who are also bigger than us.

 

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TheLastDodo Flag Rye 05 Apr 14 12.44pm

If it's judged in the past then they're all bigger than us.
If it's judged in the now then we are bigger than them.
Certainly bigger than s*** like Bolton with regards finances and better managers/management.

 

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Quote RainhamEagle at 05 Apr 2014 1.30am

Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Derby, Leicester, Ipswich, Bolton, Blackburn and Birmingham

All mentioned are either big city clubs or have absolutely no competition for fans within a 50 mile radius. This does not make them necessarily a bigger club. Wednesday are bigger because they have a bigger stadium, bigger gates than us (even in the Championship) and have spent longer in the top division in recent years. Forest are because of their gates and the trophies they have won. They were actually a similar sized if not smaller club than us before Clough arrived there.
Leeds and Birmingham City are big city clubs with little/no competition for fans and have trophies so I would say they too are (at the present time) regarded as bigger than Palace. Ipswich, Bolton and Blackburn though are most definitely smaller than Palace. Blackburn is a small town with low gates, Ipswich is a big town but still have (comparably) low gates for the area/Norwich being their closest rivals. Bolton have always been a small club. Their prolonged period in the Premiership enabled them to build (with funding help from Reebok) their new stadium and with Premiership football often managed to fill it but not always.


 

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Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Derby, Leicester, Ipswich, Bolton, Blackburn and Birmingham

All mentioned are either big city clubs or have absolutely no competition for fans within a 50 mile radius. This does not make them necessarily a bigger club. Wednesday are bigger because they have a bigger stadium, bigger gates than us (even in the Championship) and have spent longer in the top division in recent years. Forest are because of their gates and the trophies they have won. They were actually a similar sized if not smaller club than us before Clough arrived there.
Leeds and Birmingham City are big city clubs with little/no competition for fans and have trophies so I would say they too are (at the present time) regarded as bigger than Palace. Ipswich, Bolton and Blackburn though are most definitely smaller than Palace. Blackburn is a small town with low gates, Ipswich is a big town but still have (comparably) low gates for the area/Norwich being their closest rivals. Bolton have always been a small club. Their prolonged period in the Premiership enabled them to build (with funding help from Reebok) their new stadium and with Premiership football often managed to fill it but not always.



It doesn't matter where they're based, if they're bigger then they are bigger, it's as simple as that.

How do Birmingham not have/little competition for fans? Do you know where they're based? And the clubs around them?

All of the clubs I mentioned are big/decent sized clubs. The only team I listed that you could question would be Birmingham, if we're being realistic. People on here are completely unaware/underestimate Bolton's history and size, as I said, they're similar to Preston, who are also a big club.

Obviously fans of clubs are going to delude themselves a tad, but we aren't as big as some of us think. On the outside, we are no bigger nor smaller than your Charlton's, QPR's and Norwich's. There atleast 20 teams in the football league that are atleast as big as we are. Not that it matters though as at present we are where they all want to be.

 

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Quote RainhamEagle at 05 Apr 2014 1.30am

Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Derby, Leicester, Ipswich, Bolton, Blackburn and Birmingham


I think "big-dom" has a shelf-life, personally, which lasts something on the order of two decades. If you've been "big" in recent memory then you are big...if you haven't, then at some point you just stop being big. The bigger you were in your big period, then the longer it takes your bigness to dissipate once you fall on hard times. There are small handful of exceptions (Man Utd will pretty much always be big no matter what) but outside of that...not many.

In light of the above rule:

Sheffield Wednesday = not big. They haven't been relevant for decades. Their bigness was extended by Hillsborough being an FA Cup Semi Final ground but even that's no longer so. Now, average team with big (and empty) stadium.

Nottingham Forest = now clinging on to the last vestiges of the bigness they achieved under Clough. They have about another 5 years left to go back up and re-establish themselves or they will become another Wednesday...a big club at a low level but not a big club.

Leeds = have a touch of the Man Utds about them; fundamentally big so it will take (or is taking) a little longer for their bigness to wear off. By far the biggest of the teams in your list.

Derby = See Sheffield Wednesday. Weren't really ever big in the first place.

Leicester = See Derby.

Ipswich = See Leicester.

Bolton = Haven't been big since the 50s. Even in their Premiership years, they weren't big. It's over half a century since they've been anything but an average team.

Birmingham = See most of the above.

Blackburn = I think a lot of their bigness comes from the Jack Walker years rather than from history. Still, they became big and are just about still are because that was only a decade or so ago. Give Venky's a couple more years and they'll be back where they came from in the 80s.

So, to me of the teams you mention, only Leeds are really "big". The rest are what I would call, like Palace, "big small teams", not "big big teams". The funniest thing is deluded Bolton-type supporters who are given to pretending their team is further upmarket than it is.

 


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somebody forgot yeovil!.

 

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TheLastDodo Flag Rye 05 Apr 14 1.09pm

Quote blind eagle at 05 Apr 2014 1.06pm

somebody forgot yeovil!.


You never forget Yeovil.

 

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Quote sydtheeagle at 05 Apr 2014 12.57pm

Quote RainhamEagle at 05 Apr 2014 1.30am

Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Derby, Leicester, Ipswich, Bolton, Blackburn and Birmingham


I think "big-dom" has a shelf-life, personally, which lasts something on the order of two decades. If you've been "big" in recent memory then you are big...if you haven't, then at some point you just stop being big. The bigger you were in your big period, then the longer it takes your bigness to dissipate once you fall on hard times. There are small handful of exceptions (Man Utd will pretty much always be big no matter what) but outside of that...not many.

In light of the above rule:

Sheffield Wednesday = not big. They haven't been relevant for decades. Their bigness was extended by Hillsborough being an FA Cup Semi Final ground but even that's no longer so. Now, average team with big (and empty) stadium.

Nottingham Forest = now clinging on to the last vestiges of the bigness they achieved under Clough. They have about another 5 years left to go back up and re-establish themselves or they will become another Wednesday...a big club at a low level but not a big club.

Leeds = have a touch of the Man Utds about them; fundamentally big so it will take (or is taking) a little longer for their bigness to wear off. By far the biggest of the teams in your list.

Derby = See Sheffield Wednesday. Weren't really ever big in the first place.

Leicester = See Derby.

Ipswich = See Leicester.

Bolton = Haven't been big since the 50s. Even in their Premiership years, they weren't big. It's over half a century since they've been anything but an average team.

Birmingham = See most of the above.

Blackburn = I think a lot of their bigness comes from the Jack Walker years rather than from history. Still, they became big and are just about still are because that was only a decade or so ago. Give Venky's a couple more years and they'll be back where they came from in the 80s.

So, to me of the teams you mention, only Leeds are really "big". The rest are what I would call, like Palace, "big small teams", not "big big teams". The funniest thing is deluded Bolton-type supporters who are given to pretending their team is further upmarket than it is.


Yes I think Bolton have to survive on memories of Mat Lofthouse and now Doogie!.

 

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Quote sydtheeagle at 05 Apr 2014 12.57pm

Quote RainhamEagle at 05 Apr 2014 1.30am

Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Derby, Leicester, Ipswich, Bolton, Blackburn and Birmingham


I think "big-dom" has a shelf-life, personally, which lasts something on the order of two decades. If you've been "big" in recent memory then you are big...if you haven't, then at some point you just stop being big. The bigger you were in your big period, then the longer it takes your bigness to dissipate once you fall on hard times. There are small handful of exceptions (Man Utd will pretty much always be big no matter what) but outside of that...not many.

In light of the above rule:

Sheffield Wednesday = not big. They haven't been relevant for decades. Their bigness was extended by Hillsborough being an FA Cup Semi Final ground but even that's no longer so. Now, average team with big (and empty) stadium.

Nottingham Forest = now clinging on to the last vestiges of the bigness they achieved under Clough. They have about another 5 years left to go back up and re-establish themselves or they will become another Wednesday...a big club at a low level but not a big club.

Leeds = have a touch of the Man Utds about them; fundamentally big so it will take (or is taking) a little longer for their bigness to wear off. By far the biggest of the teams in your list.

Derby = See Sheffield Wednesday. Weren't really ever big in the first place.

Leicester = See Derby.

Ipswich = See Leicester.

Bolton = Haven't been big since the 50s. Even in their Premiership years, they weren't big. It's over half a century since they've been anything but an average team.

Birmingham = See most of the above.

Blackburn = I think a lot of their bigness comes from the Jack Walker years rather than from history. Still, they became big and are just about still are because that was only a decade or so ago. Give Venky's a couple more years and they'll be back where they came from in the 80s.

So, to me of the teams you mention, only Leeds are really "big". The rest are what I would call, like Palace, "big small teams", not "big big teams". The funniest thing is deluded Bolton-type supporters who are given to pretending their team is further upmarket than it is.


They don't have to be big-big, Syd. We are comparing them to a south London club that's nearest feat to domestic silverware is an FA Cup final appearance, and a club that has always had average attendances throughout most generations.

 

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