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Thommo, he had 20 minutes at the end of a match whilst he's still not 100% and we weren't providing any real service to him except a pumped up the middle ball every now and again. Do you really think that if Murray had got the kind of service he had last season and was 100% fit he wouldn't be scoring given that we know his game is not based on pace and given that we all know he has the ability to find the goal?

I think this is a fail thread based on a real lack of understanding of the injury he had and of football in general. On top of that why make a 'ner ner' thread on a palace hero when we've just won our third game in a row? Silly boy.


So this is your reasoned argument for him to play ? I do hope you don't become involved in politics and have to argue a community's problem through parliament.

So I ask you again where and how does he fit into your team ? Just in case you don't answer from what you have written I feel you think he should be our number 9 next season and start in every game if fit ? If not then please explain how he fits.. Come on wise boy lets have a grown up debate without your screaming kicking and crying, it's good to talk.

I think once he's fit then he should be given an opportunity from the beginning of next season yes. I think you writing him off as not being anywhere near good enough to play in the premiership is ridiculous when you've not seen him play enough in the premiership to know one way or another. Trying to claim vindication on some of the negative opinions you've spurted about Murray in the past based on him scoring once in what's only about 5 sub (or subbed) appearances is naive and crass at best and belligerent at worst.

Out of interest, prior to the start of our promotion winning campaign were you one of the people calling Murray crap and demanding a 30 goal a season striker? I might not eloquent in the way I voice my opinion (if it helps I don't think you are either) but I sure as hell aren't prepared to write off the player who got us to the premiership before we get to see him play fully fit either.

Ah we are starting to get somewhere ok so let's just be clear based on your above post and it's quite a simple question for you so you should be ok it's a yes or no answer

Your saying don't buy a new number 9 who if we did would be proven and should start but instead start with Murray ?

Yes or No ?

No drivvle please


Who are you suggesting we buy that's a premier league proven striker then Thommo? Rhodes? Oh wait he's not proven in the premier league. So is it crouch that you want then? Perhaps we should buy 35 year old grant holt? Maybe you want a big marquee signing? £30m for sturridge and the extra outlay that would come with his demanded wages?

Who is it that you want to buy that's proven? Oh and please be sensible with your ideas regarding 1. Transfer fee and 2. Wage structure.

As it is, then yes I'd like to see us try and get someone like Rhodes, but I don't want us to get rid of Murray before we see if he can hack it in the premiership and the only way any of us can know that is by him getting games. I'm not ready to give up on Gayle either and would like to see him get some games perhaps alongside Murray in the last few games of the season.

Appreciate your starting to talk reasonably and not jumping on silly comments like 'silly boy' etc you need to construct a response before you do things like that, it's all about individual's opinions and that should be respected.

Ok it's true I don't have any names in mind and thus can't answer that accurately albeit to say in the absence of a 'thommo,' I still would not start with Glenn and would then prefer to start CJ and use Gayle as the impact sub, if we don't keep CJ then it would be Cham as the main man up there if we don't keep Cham then it would be unreasonable to suggest we would not break the bank or near to to get a front man in.

2nd point is there is not 1 minute of time that can be afforded to see if someone can hack it in the prem this is not rolling subs for a Sunday friendly league team, your also suggesting that if we are safe with a few games to go we should tinker with the team to see if Murray and Gayle could hack it ? Then you ask me to be sensible in my answers !! Maybe your not quite up on the prem but each position we finish is worth and don't quote me but I think it's worth £200 odd grand so I am sure the board and Tony pulls is under no illusion to finish as high as poss so we can possibly afford a few months worth of 'Thommo's wages next season or redevelopment work of the stadium etc and not hiving the lads a run out. And since Tony himself prefers CJ than Murray then I think that speaks volumes, actually thinking about my last sentence lets say Tony has the chance to sign CJ on a perm that we should be able to afford then why wouldn't he ? He obviously likes his style of play and in fact he bought him whilst he was at Stoke was there you go CJ is my 'thommo' can afford him at approx £3 million and £15 k a week wages tops ( that's our top wage strategy btw and we would not even pay him that) if he is good enough for Tony he is good enough for me although you may know better if so please enlighten us.

Sorry I just don't understand this. You think we should pay 3 million for a striker who has scored 1 goal this season. Don't get me wrong, I think Jerome has been a good addition this season, mostly because of his work rate, but we need a goalscorer. Let's be honest our attack isn't exactly the most prolific, it's mostly our defence that has got us in this position. And your willing to spend 3 million on Jerome when we've got Murray, who when fully fit, is a lot more capable of scoring goals than Jerome?

 

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Quote EagleLegend97 at 13 Apr 2014 2.42pm

Quote thommo1 at 13 Apr 2014 1.25pm

Quote Kingvagabond at 13 Apr 2014 12.53pm

Quote thommo1 at 13 Apr 2014 12.44pm

Quote Kingvagabond at 13 Apr 2014 12.37pm

Quote thommo1 at 13 Apr 2014 11.52am

Quote Kingvagabond at 13 Apr 2014 11.30am

Thommo, he had 20 minutes at the end of a match whilst he's still not 100% and we weren't providing any real service to him except a pumped up the middle ball every now and again. Do you really think that if Murray had got the kind of service he had last season and was 100% fit he wouldn't be scoring given that we know his game is not based on pace and given that we all know he has the ability to find the goal?

I think this is a fail thread based on a real lack of understanding of the injury he had and of football in general. On top of that why make a 'ner ner' thread on a palace hero when we've just won our third game in a row? Silly boy.


So this is your reasoned argument for him to play ? I do hope you don't become involved in politics and have to argue a community's problem through parliament.

So I ask you again where and how does he fit into your team ? Just in case you don't answer from what you have written I feel you think he should be our number 9 next season and start in every game if fit ? If not then please explain how he fits.. Come on wise boy lets have a grown up debate without your screaming kicking and crying, it's good to talk.

I think once he's fit then he should be given an opportunity from the beginning of next season yes. I think you writing him off as not being anywhere near good enough to play in the premiership is ridiculous when you've not seen him play enough in the premiership to know one way or another. Trying to claim vindication on some of the negative opinions you've spurted about Murray in the past based on him scoring once in what's only about 5 sub (or subbed) appearances is naive and crass at best and belligerent at worst.

Out of interest, prior to the start of our promotion winning campaign were you one of the people calling Murray crap and demanding a 30 goal a season striker? I might not eloquent in the way I voice my opinion (if it helps I don't think you are either) but I sure as hell aren't prepared to write off the player who got us to the premiership before we get to see him play fully fit either.

Ah we are starting to get somewhere ok so let's just be clear based on your above post and it's quite a simple question for you so you should be ok it's a yes or no answer

Your saying don't buy a new number 9 who if we did would be proven and should start but instead start with Murray ?

Yes or No ?

No drivvle please


Who are you suggesting we buy that's a premier league proven striker then Thommo? Rhodes? Oh wait he's not proven in the premier league. So is it crouch that you want then? Perhaps we should buy 35 year old grant holt? Maybe you want a big marquee signing? £30m for sturridge and the extra outlay that would come with his demanded wages?

Who is it that you want to buy that's proven? Oh and please be sensible with your ideas regarding 1. Transfer fee and 2. Wage structure.

As it is, then yes I'd like to see us try and get someone like Rhodes, but I don't want us to get rid of Murray before we see if he can hack it in the premiership and the only way any of us can know that is by him getting games. I'm not ready to give up on Gayle either and would like to see him get some games perhaps alongside Murray in the last few games of the season.

Appreciate your starting to talk reasonably and not jumping on silly comments like 'silly boy' etc you need to construct a response before you do things like that, it's all about individual's opinions and that should be respected.

Ok it's true I don't have any names in mind and thus can't answer that accurately albeit to say in the absence of a 'thommo,' I still would not start with Glenn and would then prefer to start CJ and use Gayle as the impact sub, if we don't keep CJ then it would be Cham as the main man up there if we don't keep Cham then it would be unreasonable to suggest we would not break the bank or near to to get a front man in.

2nd point is there is not 1 minute of time that can be afforded to see if someone can hack it in the prem this is not rolling subs for a Sunday friendly league team, your also suggesting that if we are safe with a few games to go we should tinker with the team to see if Murray and Gayle could hack it ? Then you ask me to be sensible in my answers !! Maybe your not quite up on the prem but each position we finish is worth and don't quote me but I think it's worth £200 odd grand so I am sure the board and Tony pulls is under no illusion to finish as high as poss so we can possibly afford a few months worth of 'Thommo's wages next season or redevelopment work of the stadium etc and not hiving the lads a run out. And since Tony himself prefers CJ than Murray then I think that speaks volumes, actually thinking about my last sentence lets say Tony has the chance to sign CJ on a perm that we should be able to afford then why wouldn't he ? He obviously likes his style of play and in fact he bought him whilst he was at Stoke was there you go CJ is my 'thommo' can afford him at approx £3 million and £15 k a week wages tops ( that's our top wage strategy btw and we would not even pay him that) if he is good enough for Tony he is good enough for me although you may know better if so please enlighten us.

Sorry I just don't understand this. You think we should pay 3 million for a striker who has scored 1 goal this season. Don't get me wrong, I think Jerome has been a good addition this season, mostly because of his work rate, but we need a goalscorer. Let's be honest our attack isn't exactly the most prolific, it's mostly our defence that has got us in this position. And your willing to spend 3 million on Jerome when we've got Murray, who when fully fit, is a lot more capable of scoring goals than Jerome?


i'm fond of trying for berihino. ok, he has only scored every 250 minutes so far thi season(PL only), which is a decent amount mroe than our players!. he's fast, good dribbler and really a potential english talent.
15k/week wages isn't astronomical. should be not rediculously expensive either

 

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Give a guy a break. I would back Glenn Murray to at least have put some of the chances we've missed into the back of the net. As for the amount of time he's had to prove himself it goes like this...
WBA, h, on at 72 min when we're already 3-1 up,
ManUre, h, starts and taken off at 66 min,
Swansea, a, on at 45 min, wins and scores penalty,
Southampton, h, full game, but we only had 4 shots all game, not much service there,
Sunderland, a, started and taken off at 63,
Newcastle, a, on at 76,
Chelsea, h, on at 88,
Cardiff, a, on at 83, when we're already 2-0 up,
Aston Villa,h, on at 75.
So in retrospect not a great deal of time to prove oneself let alone with a team that garners very little possession or feeds the ball into the six yard box.
I would love to see what a partnership of Murray and Dwight Gayle would give us.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Apr 14 4.28pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Murray has a brain. Not much in the way of legs sadly, but he knows just what to do.

The reason Puncheon hit the post is that Murray had pulled the defenders away. He knows where to be, he has very quick reactions and strikes the ball accurately. He can certainly do a job.

His lack of pace is a big draw back though, what we really need is Murray and Jerome's love child.

 

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Quote Mapletree at 13 Apr 2014 4.28pm

Murray has a brain. Not much in the way of legs sadly, but he knows just what to do.

The reason Puncheon hit the post is that Murray had pulled the defenders away. He knows where to be, he has very quick reactions and strikes the ball accurately. He can certainly do a job.

His lack of pace is a big draw back though, what we really need is Murray and Jerome's love child.


I've touched on this point on the Cameron Jerome thread.

People used to say the same about George Ndah and Bruce Dyer.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Apr 14 5.25pm

After the injury he had, Murray was never going to have a good couple of months and is being eased into the squad. We'll be seeing him more next season. Missing 9 months it takes a lot longer to get your sharpness back than 10-15 minutes a week.

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Apr 2014 5.25pm

After the injury he had, Murray was never going to have a good couple of months and is being eased into the squad. We'll be seeing him more next season. Missing 9 months it takes a lot longer to get your sharpness back than 10-15 minutes a week.

exactly.. I am not convinced he has been fit yet this year so it is unfair to judge.

personally, i would love to see him go on a summer loan to the states or mexico just to get some more games in.


 


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Won't be fully fit this season. We can judge him more next season but it would be slightly worrying if he didn't get 1 more between now and the end.

 

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Whether Murray plays one more good game for the club or not he is and will always be in my eyes a personal icon.

His service to us last season deserves at least a shot when he's fully fit and not just back from the most serious injury a footballer can sustain.

 

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Paying 3-4 million for Jerome? Are u out of your mind - 1 goal in last 37 PL appearances for a striker!!!Yeah, he's great in running and closing down, but we can't depend on defenders to help us out every game. We need goals and Cameron has no idea how to put the ball in the net. Imagine yourself as a Palace player, just outside the box with a half shooting chance or the alternative, passing to an unmarked Jerome. Think most would try shooting. No, give me Murray any given matchday: a full preseason and our talisman from last season will blossom.

 

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Quote thommo1 at 13 Apr 2014 11.52am

Quote Kingvagabond at 13 Apr 2014 11.30am

Thommo, he had 20 minutes at the end of a match whilst he's still not 100% and we weren't providing any real service to him except a pumped up the middle ball every now and again. Do you really think that if Murray had got the kind of service he had last season and was 100% fit he wouldn't be scoring given that we know his game is not based on pace and given that we all know he has the ability to find the goal?

I think this is a fail thread based on a real lack of understanding of the injury he had and of football in general. On top of that why make a 'ner ner' thread on a palace hero when we've just won our third game in a row? Silly boy.


So this is your reasoned argument for him to play ? I do hope you don't become involved in politics and have to argue a community's problem through parliament.

So I ask you again where and how does he fit into your team ? Just in case you don't answer from what you have written I feel you think he should be our number 9 next season and start in every game if fit ? If not then please explain how he fits.. Come on wise boy lets have a grown up debate without your screaming kicking and crying, it's good to talk.


If w do stay up Murray will have to fight his way through pre-season into the starting team, if his form merited this. If we do go down (given the tough fixtures now coming up) then I'm sure he would be as effective a championship goalscorer as he was before.

 

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south croydon Flag melbourne 14 Apr 14 5.58am

murrey doesnt have enough pace for the prem and he scored all his goals in the championship where he was a legion i think to be fair he will be sold by pullis and we will always love him for what he achieved for us jerome will also go back to stoke,we have to build for the future.

 

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