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Quote alaneagle1 at 17 Apr 2014 5.36pm

Quote alaneagle1 at 14 Apr 2014 9.43pm

I'll help EVERTON.
PALACE TEAM FOR WEDNESDAY.

Speroni
Mariappa
Ward
Ledley
Dann
Delaney
Puncheon
Jedinak
Jerome
Chamakh
Bolasie

Edited by alaneagle1 (14 Apr 2014 10.14pm)


Lads i gave Martinez the Palace Line up in advance.!!!
made all the difference 2-3 2-3


Just don't let Fat Sam see this otherwise we're shafted come Saturday.


 


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View kenbarr's Profile kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 17 Apr 14 7.36pm Send a Private Message to kenbarr Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add kenbarr as a friend

Looking over websites, including Cardiff based ones, and the overwhelming thought is that this so much smoke blowing. Only David Bond at the BBC seem to be taking this with sightly little more than a grain of salt. Everyone calm down, this isn't going anywhere. If anything, the League will probably sanction Cardiff for bringing the game into disrepute with these wild allegations that have no basis in truth. Tan hates Moody, he replaced him with someone who couldn't legally work in the UK, got caught, and now wants his pound of flesh.

 


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View Stuart Shave's Profile Stuart Shave Flag Hampshire 17 Apr 14 7.42pm Send a Private Message to Stuart Shave Add Stuart Shave as a friend

This is being blown out of all proportion. Unless money exchanged hands for the information or he broke into somebody's office, there has been no wrong doing. Moody will not be sacked - the club will be united on this . I don't even believe Cardiff believe there is anything sufficient there for there to be punishment. This story has no legs at all. Somebody somewhere is building it up in to something it isn't. Disgraceful. As ever with Palace, good news is quickly followed up with bad news!

 

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Quote Baldfella at 17 Apr 2014 12.37pm

Quote fed up eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.34pm

Apparently Cardiff are trying to say that the result we got there should not stand due to the supposed leak.
This smacks of desperation on Cardiff's part but I wouldn't put it past the powers that be to screw us over.
This story is on the BBC sport website.

Thoughts?

Not against you personally mate but you're the most recent poster that seems to think the powers that be would want to "screw us over" ! What do you base this on ?

Complete rubbish, Palace make the same contributions towards their partition in the Premier League, they will get same treatment as any other club.

As stated before: SECTION B Rule B15 states: "In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club shall behave towards each other club and the league with the utmost good faith".

SECTION B Rule 17 goes on, "A Club shall not without the Board’s prior written consent either during its membership of the League or at any time after its membership has terminated disclose or divulge either directly or indirectly to any Person whatsoever or otherwise make use of any confidential information as to the business or finances of the League or any other Club or any of their dealings, transactions or affairs or as to any other matters which may come to its knowledge by reason
of its membership save to statutory and regulatory authorities or as may be required by law or to such Officials and Auditors of that Club to whom such disclosure is strictly necessary for the purpose of their duties and then only to the extent so necessary".
That to me is what Cardiff may be using as justification for their complaint, I may be wrong but as I read that as a non Englishman, it could also implicate Cardiff for their failings.

Also there is no mention of this type of issue in APPENDIX 5 & 6 Managers and clubs code of conduct.

So unless the Premier league introduce a new rule, it's a storm in a teacup, as this sort of thing has been going on for years, even when I was playing it was going on, every club tried to get their opponents lineup before they named theirs, and I retired in 1977, it's called trying to outwit your opponent.

Exactly - As I said earlier, there is no actual 'rule' that has been broken, you could argue if we did do this then we went against a very shaky and vague ethical 'guidleine' to which no-one can actually pass a judgement on


It seems as though we are both correct, a lawyer has looked at this for FYP and his spin on this is:
The claims include the suggestion that Palace's sporting director attempted to obtain the team sheet by phoning the Cardiff City performance analyst - who has subsequently been sacked by the club - although he was unsuccessful in his endeavours.

In an even more bizarre twist, Cardiff have claimed that after Moody had discovered the line-up, he mistakenly sent a text message to former Palace boss Dougie Freedman with the information; before Freedman alerted his friend Ole Gunnar Solskjaer about the leak. The BBC explained that the document sent to the Premier League notes that Cardiff midfielder Aron Gunnarsson is named as the source of the leak; something which the player and his agent both have denied.

We asked our resident lawyer, Andy Street to give us his view on the situation, and he believes there is nothing for Palace fans to worry about.

"As all Palace fans will now be aware, Cardiff’s complaint to the Premier League is made on the basis of its allegation that Iain Moody obtained information relating to the Bluebirds’ starting line-up for the match at the Cardiff City Stadium. Cardiff’s complaint alleges breaches of three of the Premier League’s regulations, as contained in its 2013-2014 Handbook.

The first of those, Rule B.15, imposes an obligation upon Premier League clubs to behave towards one another and towards the League in “good faith”. This provision of the Premier League’s regulations is drafted widely in an attempt to impose a uniform standard of behaviour upon Clubs, not only in their interactions between one another, but also with the League. The second breach alleged by Cardiff arises from Rule B.16. This Rule precludes Premier League clubs from unfairly “criticising, belittling or discrediting one another or the [Premier] League”. This regulation is also drafted in a fairly broad and vague manner with no suggestion as to the level of criticism, disparagement or belittlement required to breach the regulation.

The third alleged breach, of Rule B.17, relates to the disclosure or use of confidential information relating to another club or the Premier League. The BBC report suggests that the most serious allegation is the purported breach of Rule B.17. However, it would be surprising were the Premier League’s board to find that text messages relating to a club’s likely line-up for an upcoming match amounted to confidential information for the purposes of this particular regulation. In fact, B17 specifically mentions business and financial information of clubs and the League, rather than anything relating to sporting matters. While the regulation is incredibly non-specific and could catch a variety of information, it seems a stretch to infer that it applies to the type of information involved in this dispute. This allegation also raises the question of whether, on Cardiff’s analysis that the team line-up amounted to confidential information for the purposes of B.17, the Bluebirds are themselves in breach by disclosing the line-up in the first place.

Rules B.15-B.17 are drafted fairly widely, it would seem, in order to catch various behaviours which relate to the relationship between the League and its member clubs. It seems unlikely that the League, when drawing up its Rules, would have envisaged these particular regulations applying to the type of situation in which Palace now find themselves. My reading of the Rules is that they were drafted to prevent clubs acting in a manner which is contrary to the interests of the League as a whole and to prevent the disclosure of confidential matters relating to the League which may be sensitive, such as EPPP and the previously proposed 39th game. It would seem strange if they were intended to apply to undefined actions which attempt to gain a competitive advantage over other clubs that are not expressly forbidden in the Rules, particularly given that certain types of grave behaviour which are to the detriment of other clubs (such as tapping up) are expressly prohibited.

In terms of the League’s investigatory powers, matters are first investigated by the Premier League Board. The Board can compel Palace or Iain Moody or Cardiff to offer up any documents or to provide further information as necessary, should they believe there may be a breach of the Rules. The Board has jurisdiction to decide whether there is a case to answer and to impose sanctions upon clubs where they are already prescribed in the Rules. So if, for example, a fine for a specific breach is provided for in the Premier League Handbook, the Board is able to impose such a sanction. The Board can also impose a fine of up to £25,000 or refer the matter onto a Premier League Disciplinary Commission. A Commission has a broad set of discretionary sanctions it may impose including points deductions, the replaying of matches or unlimited fines in the most extreme of circumstances.

That said, even in the unlikely event that the Premier League believes that Palace and Iain Moody’s alleged behaviour amounts to a breach of its Rules, the imposition of a points deduction would be completely unprecedented. The Premier League has only ever imposed a points deduction upon a Premier League club once, when Portsmouth appointed an administrator in 2009. The League’s rules impose a fixed points deduction as a penalty for clubs who enter administration, so this was a fairly straightforward decision for the League. In all other instances where the League has had discretion as to the sanctions imposed on clubs for breaches of its Rules, it has avoided deducting points. So even the highly controversial Tevez saga, which was a serious breach across many matches and which had a material impact on the final Premier League table, did not result in a points deduction. It seems unlikely that the Premier League would radically depart from that approach and impose draconian sanctions upon Palace, even if it was satisfied that a breach had occurred.

Moreover, given the extent of Palace’s rights to appeal of any decision of a Premier League Disciplinary Commission, it seems unlikely the League would risk taking such an approach. Under the Premier League’s Rules, clubs can appeal firstly to a Premier League Appeal Board if not satisfied with a decision, and can then enter an independent arbitration against the League itself. The West Ham situation, and the recent decision relating to Sunderland's Ki, proved that the League is reticent to intervene by affecting the outcome of individual matches or the final league table. I would expect that trend to be continued in this instance."

 

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Quote Lucas Oliver at 17 Apr 2014 6.36pm

Just emailed the team sheet for the 4-0 defeat at Fulham to Cardiff. Experimenting with Speroni out wide feeding Gabbidon up top in a 2-2-6 formation.

This. Whole thing has made Cardiff the only team I genuinely want to be relegated this season.


 

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"The second breach alleged by Cardiff arises from Rule B.16. This Rule precludes Premier League clubs from unfairly “criticising, belittling or discrediting one another or the [Premier] League”. This regulation is also drafted in a fairly broad and vague manner with no suggestion as to the level of criticism, disparagement or belittlement required to breach the regulation."

Are Cardiff not breaking this rule far more seriously by dragging our name through the mire and saying we cheated? Their stupid employee leaked it if true, and yet it is Palaces fault......

 

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This is laughable.

I'd truly hate to be a Cardiff fan and have this embarrassment associated with my club.
As has been pointed out, Sunderland received a slap on the wrist for fielding an illegible player yet we're going to be deducted points for a text that may or may not have happened over a team-sheet that was pretty much easy for any fan/pundit to fill in?


Stop panicking.

 

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Here's what Sky have to say about it. I'll save you clicking through, the answer is nothing.

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Quote BigKevs at 17 Apr 2014 7.47pm

Quote Lucas Oliver at 17 Apr 2014 6.36pm

Just emailed the team sheet for the 4-0 defeat at Fulham to Cardiff. Experimenting with Speroni out wide feeding Gabbidon up top in a 2-2-6 formation.

This. Whole thing has made Cardiff the only team I genuinely want to be relegated this season.

Indeed - at Craven Cottage....

We love you, we love you, we love you
And when we play the Fulham we'll lose, lose, lose
And send the Cardiff down, down, down
And that's the way we like it, we like it, we like it

Wooooaaaaaaaaaah....wooooaaaahhhh


 

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Quote Ashford Eagle at 17 Apr 2014 10.12am

I'm not saying Tan and Cardiff are bitter, but lets leak the next part of the story to the BBC when Palace are celebrating reaching the 40 point mark to try and halt the celebrations!

I didn't care who went down before but suddenly I have a huge desire for Cardiff to drop!


hes only doing it to keep cardiff up and to get palace droped

 

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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Exactly what rule has been broken !!' by staffie

If ian moody did obtain Cardiff city's line up exactly what rule has been broken, isn't that what scouts do ? It's an internal problem if one of there staff or players were stupid enough to dish it out, Fulham manager has just said on sky sports news everyone does it and he will be doing the same against spurs, are you telling me Cardiff don't ? I just really hope the PL see this for what it is a load of S*** ! But for some reason I've got a gut feeling this is going to go horribly wrong for us !

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This is the bbc sport link it's a good read but hasn't made my nerves any better

 

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