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View AussieJedinak's Profile AussieJedinak Flag Folkestone 23 Apr 14 9.54am Send a Private Message to AussieJedinak Add AussieJedinak as a friend

How did he ever bag the WC final?

I don't think he's ever had two decent games on the trot?

 

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Quote Ray in Houston at 22 Apr 2014 5.41pm

Quote Proper_Gander at 22 Apr 2014 5.00pm

I went home from the Villa game, thinking he was utter dogs***e.

But having seen the highlights on telly later, I have to admit he made the right calls. And it took some balls to change his mind when it came to the penalty decision, for a home side, no less.

He correctly rescinded the pen for handball, but (1) he should not have given the pen without first consulting his lino - especially as the ball had gone out behind the goal so he had time; and (2) after rescinding it, he gave a goal kick instead of a corner.

He missed their keeper kicking out at Jedinak - a straight red and a penalty. He missed Bolasie's shooting foot being kicked away from him in the act of shooting - also a straight red and a penalty.

Coward Webb bottles the big decisions, i.e. making calls against the perceived bigger team in favour of the perceived smaller team. Man City have just got a handy replacement for Silva.


The ball never went off the pitch, so how can it have been a corner?

 

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Quote 7@burnley79 at 22 Apr 2014 11.35pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Apr 2014 4.57pm

Unless he's been appointed as the new Manure Manager!


Apparently Utd did want to employ within so this fits


You may jest lads but you can get 500/1 on him.

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Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? [Link]

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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 23 Apr 14 4.24pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Quote indianapalace85 at 23 Apr 2014 10.18am

The ball never went off the pitch, so how can it have been a corner?


I remember that it went behind, but some reports say it was collected by the goalie. The commentary crew were adamant that it should have been a corner. However, if it did go to the goalie, then how is it that the game restarts with a goal kick? It's a drop ball in their penalty area, right?

Any way you slice it, Webb completely spit the bit on that sequence. While under absolutely no pressure other than that of his own making. Overall his performance was appalling.

Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Apr 2014 4.27pm)

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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View adrian b's Profile adrian b Flag Landrindod, Wales 23 Apr 14 6.04pm Send a Private Message to adrian b Add adrian b as a friend


Some talk of how brave Webb was for admitting he was wrong and changing his mind. This puts me in mind of a 'goal' at Selhurst in the early 70s. A palace player had a shot and missed, the ball hitting the outside of the side netting. The ref gave it as a goal and the opposition went nuts. The ref consulted the lino, but neither saw tit properly, so the ref continued to be adamant. The opposition asked him to ask the Palace captain, Stevie Kember, who, honestly admitted there was no goal scored, and the ref gave a goal kick instead. On telly the panel said Kember should not have been so honest as in the future Palace will get a goal that will not be given for no good reason, and these things even themselves out. Some time later Clive Allen put a free into the Coventry net, but the ball hit the back stanchion so hard, the ball flew out and no goal given. Ideal opportunity for the ref to be 'big' and change his mind. He didn't. The moral is to assume the ref is always right and take the good with the bad, as it may even out. In Webb's case, Palace have lots of credit owed!

 

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And the Freddie Sears goal at Bristol City, that was another one that hasn't 'evened out' yet (though we are veering off topic a bit). We need a 'great Palace refereeing injustices' thread!

 

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Quote kenbarr at 23 Apr 2014 8.30pm

Jedi at the coin toss, "Long time, no see, Baldy!"


Doesn't sound like Jedi. Not nearly enough strewths or cobbers in there methinks.

 

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Quote adrian b at 23 Apr 2014 6.04pm

Some talk of how brave Webb was for admitting he was wrong and changing his mind. This puts me in mind of a 'goal' at Selhurst in the early 70s. A palace player had a shot and missed, the ball hitting the outside of the side netting. The ref gave it as a goal and the opposition went nuts. The ref consulted the lino, but neither saw tit properly, so the ref continued to be adamant. The opposition asked him to ask the Palace captain, Stevie Kember, who, honestly admitted there was no goal scored, and the ref gave a goal kick instead. On telly the panel said Kember should not have been so honest as in the future Palace will get a goal that will not be given for no good reason, and these things even themselves out. Some time later Clive Allen put a free into the Coventry net, but the ball hit the back stanchion so hard, the ball flew out and no goal given. Ideal opportunity for the ref to be 'big' and change his mind. He didn't. The moral is to assume the ref is always right and take the good with the bad, as it may even out. In Webb's case, Palace have lots of credit owed!


Didn't this happen again last season? A goal that went in and came out so fast that it wasn't given?

The moral of the story is that we will always be screwed by these decisions. Case in point, in the 1990 FA Cup final, Moan Utd's equalising goal came as a result of a move that started in the midfield when they got the ball back off a blatant body check (maybe on Andy Gray, but I'm not sure). The ref waived play on - which was weird because Utd had fouled US and were breaking with the ball. The resultant disarray allowed them to score (off a spawny deflected shot, I think).

These things don't even out. If you're a big-name team, you get the rub of the ref; when you are perceived to be lesser team, you don't.

Look no further than our trip to Old Trafford this season; we'd more than held our own for 45 minutes, but Ashley Young's nth dive forced the ref into a critical choice. The correct decision was to give Young his 2nd yellow, send him back to the dressing room and award Palace a free kick. The mostly wrong decision was to award a free kick at the spot of the dive - outside the box. The totally and completely wrong choice was what he did: penalty and red card for Delaney (his suspended game now being the only game he's missed this year).

Even Newcastle got an extra minute and two separate possessions to beat us up there a few weeks back. And they've been crap forever, but still have the aura of being a "big club".

Palace never have, and never will, get the benefit of the doubt in such crucial situations. That's ok, it means we have more than earned everything we have and nothing has ever been gifted to us.

Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Apr 2014 8.57pm)

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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View Dweeb's Profile Dweeb Flag East London 23 Apr 14 9.14pm Send a Private Message to Dweeb Add Dweeb as a friend

Yeah but don't forget in Webb's case we are dealing with a referee who over-ruled his own decision to give us a penalty by awarding them a free kick, when clearly no CPFC player was anywhere near the ball at the time it came off their player and went out for a corner (if there was no penalty)

 


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Quote Dweeb at 23 Apr 2014 9.14pm

Yeah but don't forget in Webb's case we are dealing with a referee who over-ruled his own decision to give us a penalty by awarding them a free kick, when clearly no CPFC player was anywhere near the ball at the time it came off their player and went out for a corner (if there was no penalty)


It came off their player's chest and was picked up by their 'keeper. The ball didn't go out. It was not a goal kick, admittedly, but that mistake, and awarding a penalty kick in the first place, were the only poor decisions on that occasion.

Then agin, that's two poor decisions in less than a minute

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (23 Apr 2014 9.33pm)

 


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Quote AussieJedinak at 23 Apr 2014 9.54am

How did he ever bag the WC final?

I don't think he's ever had two decent games on the trot?


Maybe he had a s*** semi final and was due a good game?

 

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