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View peterg's Profile peterg Flag Anerley 28 Apr 14 8.40am Send a Private Message to peterg Add peterg as a friend

Very harsh to judge these players when they come on with 20 minutes left against the best team in the league. Plus if we do establish ourselves as a mid-table side we are still going to lose matches like this. I think we should look to consolidate next season and then consider how far we can move on after that. We have already progressed enormously since we scraped our way into the playoffs last season. I would really enjoy a season free of relegation worries and hoping for a place in the top ten. But after that, who knows?

 


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Quote EastEndPalace at 27 Apr 2014 11.20pm

Not gonna be a popular post but seriously what a waste of money. Got bullied lost the ball didn't hassle. Not for me. His goal at Villa park does not make him a class finisher. Sorry peeps worse then Jerome.


Didn't see the game then did you. Perhaps you should post on the West ham site.

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 28 Apr 14 9.27am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote boilerboy at 27 Apr 2014 11.40pm

Without a doubt he's Class. Mark my words. Pulis has had to do the best with what he has got, and has played a team hard to beat. It will be a busy summer with several ins and outs. Hopefully and I'm pretty confident Gayle will be part of next seasons squad.

I would be shocked, genuinely, if Gayle is here next season. I thought yesterday's cameo was probably a bit of shop-window time for potentially interested Championship clubs to have a look at home once the City game was lost as much as anything else.

He's class? Not even close, on the evidence of this season. No way. You'd have to be a fantasist to make that leap of faith because there is almost zero physical evidence to support it.

He's young? No, he isn't. He's not old, but he's no "kid".

He's inexperienced in top flight? Yes, he is, especially for a 25 year old. But that's because he hasn't been good enough to get that experience, particularly this season.

Pulis has had to do the best with what he's got? Indeed he has. And Gayle has been what he's had all season, yet even in instances where we needed a goal more than a "chaser" like Jerome, he's barely played. He's been last-off-the-bench for months now. Even after his one golden moment (at Villa), Pulis put him right back nowhere, which made a pretty clear statement to me (given how managers usually ride form players for as long as they can.) I think Pulis' opinion of him is written pretty large, on the evidence.

I'm not going to bang on...I said my piece on Gayle earlier in the year and promised to lay off thereafter. But this kid is nowhere close to good enough and if we can recoup even a small percentage of what we paid for him, I really would be gobsmacked if he's here when pre-season training opens. Of course, I may be totally and utterly wrong, but that's how I see it. Arguably a worthwhile gamble but it didn't pay off and now time to move on quickly.

 


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View sidman's Profile sidman Flag London 28 Apr 14 9.46am Send a Private Message to sidman Add sidman as a friend

Quote sydtheeagle at 28 Apr 2014 9.27am

Quote boilerboy at 27 Apr 2014 11.40pm

Without a doubt he's Class. Mark my words. Pulis has had to do the best with what he has got, and has played a team hard to beat. It will be a busy summer with several ins and outs. Hopefully and I'm pretty confident Gayle will be part of next seasons squad.

I would be shocked, genuinely, if Gayle is here next season. I thought yesterday's cameo was probably a bit of shop-window time for potentially interested Championship clubs to have a look at home once the City game was lost as much as anything else.

He's class? Not even close, on the evidence of this season. No way. You'd have to be a fantasist to make that leap of faith because there is almost zero physical evidence to support it.

He's young? No, he isn't. He's not old, but he's no "kid".

He's inexperienced in top flight? Yes, he is, especially for a 25 year old. But that's because he hasn't been good enough to get that experience, particularly this season.

Pulis has had to do the best with what he's got? Indeed he has. And Gayle has been what he's had all season, yet even in instances where we needed a goal more than a "chaser" like Jerome, he's barely played. He's been last-off-the-bench for months now. Even after his one golden moment (at Villa), Pulis put him right back nowhere, which made a pretty clear statement to me (given how managers usually ride form players for as long as they can.) I think Pulis' opinion of him is written pretty large, on the evidence.

I'm not going to bang on...I said my piece on Gayle earlier in the year and promised to lay off thereafter. But this kid is nowhere close to good enough and if we can recoup even a small percentage of what we paid for him, I really would be gobsmacked if he's here when pre-season training opens. Of course, I may be totally and utterly wrong, but that's how I see it. Arguably a worthwhile gamble but it didn't pay off and now time to move on quickly.

What are you on?? How can he show what he can do when he doesn't get to play??? I would like to see him loaned out to another PL club where he can get more games.

I think he can come good if he is given the chance and time. 6 million for one season is a waste and give this lad a chance.

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 28 Apr 14 10.12am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote sidman at 28 Apr 2014 9.46am

What are you on?? How can he show what he can do when he doesn't get to play??? I would like to see him loaned out to another PL club where he can get more games.

I think he can come good if he is given the chance and time. 6 million for one season is a waste and give this lad a chance.

You ask "what am I on?", yet you fail to refute the substance of a single point I've made. It's difficult to argue back if you're going to tell me I'm crazy but not point out where you fault my logic.

With that said, you ask a question: "How can he show what he can do when he doesn't get to play???" Surely it's rhetorical? He doesn't get to play (and therefore show what he can do) because the manager -- who has vast experience in the Premiership, a league from which he's never been relegated -- doesn't think he's good enough.

Of course you're right; he has not been given much game time. But if TP thought he had much to show and could actually change a game, don't you think he would have been picked? The fact that someone has not spent time on the pitch is not a good argument for saying they'd have made an impact if they had played more. In fact, the reverse is true; he's not been given an opportunity to show what he can do because the manager thinks we have a lot of other players who can do more with the available playing time. I might not trust your judgment or even my own, but I do trust TPs.

You think he can come good (at this level). I don't. Fair enough either way but there is at least as much, if not more evidence to suggest that I am right (not least TP appearing to be on my side). But no matter what, the money spent wasn't "wasted' per se. Those are the risks that newly promoted sides have to take on marginal players. Some pay off, some don't. That's life.

 


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View ARNY_CPFC's Profile ARNY_CPFC Flag maidstone 28 Apr 14 10.24am Send a Private Message to ARNY_CPFC Add ARNY_CPFC as a friend

im with syd, i cant see it in really, can finish but will never be a top finisher in the prem in my oppinion.

sidman, honestly what prem team would take a player of us that cant get a sniff at a start, 6 million was a waste but sometimes u have to just take it on the chin and realise there really isnt the quality there that suits us.

im not just talking after 15 mins yesterday im talking from the time on the pitch this season. to argue he hasnt had a chance dont count for me, if he was good enough he would have been used by pulis when he was needed in games, but his choosen to use other options.

gayle will be a good champonship striker, but to be a top prem he needs to be a lot stronger and utilised as a second striker that tbh is a bit of a luxury player. if he is here next season id expect it would be as the fourth striker only used if there are alot injuries. and tbh because of his price tag. if he was a 1 mill, i think we would let him go, paying 6 mill means theres more to think about.

summing it up, would anyone honestly say if gayle had had this season, with fulham, cardiff, villa, etc that they would want us to purchase him for next season even at half the price we did, there is better options out there sadly.

 

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View sidman's Profile sidman Flag London 28 Apr 14 10.28am Send a Private Message to sidman Add sidman as a friend

Quote sydtheeagle at 28 Apr 2014 10.12am

Quote sidman at 28 Apr 2014 9.46am

What are you on?? How can he show what he can do when he doesn't get to play??? I would like to see him loaned out to another PL club where he can get more games.

I think he can come good if he is given the chance and time. 6 million for one season is a waste and give this lad a chance.

You ask "what am I on?", yet you fail to refute the substance of a single point I've made. It's difficult to argue back if you're going to tell me I'm crazy but not point out where you fault my logic.

With that said, you ask a question: "How can he show what he can do when he doesn't get to play???" Surely it's rhetorical? He doesn't get to play (and therefore show what he can do) because the manager -- who has vast experience in the Premiership, a league from which he's never been relegated -- doesn't think he's good enough.

Of course you're right; he has not been given much game time. But if TP thought he had much to show and could actually change a game, don't you think he would have been picked? The fact that someone has not spent time on the pitch is not a good argument for saying they'd have made an impact if they had played more. In fact, the reverse is true; he's not been given an opportunity to show what he can do because the manager thinks we have a lot of other players who can do more with the available playing time. I might not trust your judgment or even my own, but I do trust TPs.

You think he can come good (at this level). I don't. Fair enough either way but there is at least as much, if not more evidence to suggest that I am right (not least TP appearing to be on my side). But no matter what, the money spent wasn't "wasted' per se. Those are the risks that newly promoted sides have to take on marginal players. Some pay off, some don't. That's life.


It was stupid to have paid 6 million for him and why IH was allowed to pay that much I don't know?

You are crazy and I have made my point because how can a player get to grips with the PL if he's not being played that much?

Explain how Gayle can become a better player if he's sitting on the bench?

I do trust TP and never said I didn't, but certain fan's having a go at Gayle is harsh, just like with Moxey.

There has been times where we have needed a player like Gayle with pace in games.

 

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View zappata's Profile zappata Flag 28 Apr 14 10.28am Send a Private Message to zappata Add zappata as a friend

Thought gayle did better than murray or ince,but he was feeding off scraps.

 

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View Happiness Stan's Profile Happiness Stan Flag Itchycoo Park 28 Apr 14 10.33am Send a Private Message to Happiness Stan Add Happiness Stan as a friend

Face facts. His signing was an awful bit of business. He was never ready for the premiership. If he'd been our first choice striker all season, with his lack of presence, strength, work rate and movement, we'd have been relegated. Fast and a tidy finisher, but that is not enough in the modern game.

Holloway was mugged. I suspect, being a sentimentalist, he got carried away with the notion of non league lad plucked from obscurity to make it at top. Contact clauses based on England appearances : the Posh chairman is a clever f***er, I'll give him that!

 


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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 28 Apr 14 10.36am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote sidman at 28 Apr 2014 10.28am

It was stupid to have paid 6 million for him and why IH was allowed to pay that much I don't know?

You are crazy and I have made my point because how can a player get to grips with the PL if he's not being played that much?

Explain how Gayle can become a better player if he's sitting on the bench?

I do trust TP and never said I didn't, but certain fan's having a go at Gayle is harsh, just like with Moxey.

There has been times where we have needed a player like Gayle with pace in games.

1. IH was allowed to gamble on Gayle because we could not afford the fee that an established Premiership scorer would have commanded. Given how many we tried, and failed, to sign (Odemwingie, Bent, Cole, etc.) the answer to that question is not a secret.

2. Once again, you pose the same question yet ignore the fact that it's already been answered. Again: Gayle can't improve sitting on the bench, but he has to prove that he has the ability to improve in order to get off the bench. He has failed to prove that based on TP's selection criteria. So draw your own conclusions.

3. No one explicitly said you didn't trust TP, but where Gayle is concerned you implicitly suggest that your judgment of his potential is more accurate than TPs, or that TP is making a mistake by not playing him more. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to infer that where Gayle at least is concerned, you don't trust him.

4. I think fans have been pretty supportive/tolerant of Gayle. Some have expressed an honest opinion here but none have done so maliciously. I said I didn't believe in him but I calmly explained why; I certainly didn't say "he's a cnut...ship him out." I don't see the harshness myself.

5. Agree, we do need a player with pace. That's why Jerome has played ahead of Gayle. He has far more of it and he's bigger and more physical to boot. Jerome is very, very quick.

 


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View Happiness Stan's Profile Happiness Stan Flag Itchycoo Park 28 Apr 14 10.43am Send a Private Message to Happiness Stan Add Happiness Stan as a friend

It should also be noted he's on around 20k per week. Are people really suggesting that's a good return on investment? He should be moved on to a half decent championship side ASAP for all concerned.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Apr 14 10.49am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I agree with syd.

I don't see Gayle offering enough when the game is compact and defenders are ready for him with 6-8 behind the ball. Where he'll get a bit more success is with more space around him, either when games have opened up later on or we're away from home, or he's in a lower division. He can't do the defending bit and the stuff Jerome started to do brilliantly in January so there's no room for him there or at number 10.

I think that is pretty much our answer and how TP sees it. Gayle is great for a 1 on 1 situation at Villa but I and others stressed he needs to offer more than that. I don't think he does so I expect TP to urge Parish to take a decent offer for a player who isn't going to play once more of the squad is of TP's choice.

 


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