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Quote matt_himself at 29 Apr 2015 2.04am

Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 7.43pm

Matthew - what is actually wrong with saying 'n1gger' if it is in context? I saw '12 Years a Slave' recently and the term was used many, many times and it seemed appropriate given the subject matter.

You personally seem to have an issue with it being used at all no matter what.

We've had this conversation before but you never actually clarified your 100% anti-stance. Were the director of the film and the screenplay writers and the actors wrong to use the word in your opinion and if so 'why'?

Simple question - would you use the 'n' word?

You use 'bender'. Therefore one would assume that you would use other offensive words.

With regards to the cinematic usage of slurs, I am not for censorship. However, there does need to be a line drawn. Did you see Django Unchained? To me, Tarantino overused racial slurs in the film for reasons of his own knowing. Racial slurs were to me, used too frequently to be of any relevance to the story and were there to shock and create controversy to hype the film. There is therefore a glance between historical accuracy and overuse to be found.


Would I use the 'n' word? Within debate on slavery/racist ideology 'yes'. You'd have to, wouldn't you, to have a broad in-depth discussion? I have no other use for it.

Oh, and if you are going to try and equate the use of the 'n' word for nasty reasons and two online football fans using the word 'bender' in friendly banter and not for vicious homophobic purposes to so show some kind of perceived leftist hypocrisy.........well, off you go. Should be interesting.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 10.00pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 28 Apr 2015 9.38pm

Wish I hadn't waded into you lot trolling each other now.

But I do think the lack of a credible left wing party at this election is striking. Say what you like about UKIP, they have an effective leader and an excellent electoral record.


They are predicted to get anything from zero and two seats at most by the US stat magician Nate Silver. 'Effective and Excellent' has a low bar these days.

'Electoral record' = performance in past elections.

They won the Euro elections in 2014 with 27% of the vote. The Greens came 4th with 7%.

In the local elections in 2014 UKIP gained 161 seats. The Greens gained 18.

UKIP have put their policies on the agenda. Britain's EU membership is on the ballot paper at this election. Immigration is the number one issue in the polls.

All the lefty stuff – nationalisation of industry, higher income tax, a 'citizens' income' - are not even close to mainstream issues. (And where are the ecological policies by the way? Not on the ballot, that’s where.)

The projected number of seats says more about the system than the party. That said, UKIP will be a bigger factor in splitting Labour or Tory votes than all of the lefty parties put together.

Scottish nationalists have built a credible party. The anti-EU right has too. Even the Taffs manage a reasonable showing. Where’s the credibly lefty alternative?

The Greens are the closest you have, and they’ve fluffed it by electing a leader who is an elecrtoral liability.

For the record, I’m not voting UKIP. I think the immigration stuff will be their downfall. Aside from Farage (who I respect) I think they’re a bit populist and lacking in substance. But by any measure you like, they’re way ahead of any lefty versions you care to mention.

 


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TheJudge Flag 29 Apr 15 9.34am

Quote legaleagle at 29 Apr 2015 12.02am

As I understand it,you have a major major problem about the number of immigrants coming to the UK.You have now gone on to suggest the "endless stream" of immigrants will vote Labour in the election and appear to suggest some sort of conspiracy ensuing from this by Labour to have encouraged the "endless stream" for this reason.

A large part in numbers are from EU countries.Such people can't vote in parliamentary elections here.Non commonwealth national immigrants from outside the EU can't vote here in parliamentary elections either.

According to a House of Commons briefing report on migration in 2014, c.two thirds of immigrants come from EU or non Commonwealth countries,so can't vote in parliamentary elections.

The prejudices I was referring to?Just the rather silly ones expressed in your post I was responding to.

Edited by legaleagle (29 Apr 2015 12.20am)

So you interpret my words in a way that suits your agenda and then construct a very biased argument in response.
Typical.

I never said Labour engineered immigration for electoral reasons but you were obviously very sensitive about that notion. I suppose you think that migration has no effect on the political or economic landscape as people on your side of the fence normally do. How is life in La La land. ?

 

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Hoof Hearted 29 Apr 15 11.03am

Quote Seth at 28 Apr 2015 5.30pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm

Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them.


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I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie.


Lee Rigby's family have also made it very clear they don't want his murder to be used a political football or a stick to beat Muslims in general with.


I wasn't using it for that purpose Seth but as a retort to the ridiculous statement that you don't see or meet crazy Muslims FFS

 

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Hoof Hearted 29 Apr 15 11.12am

Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2015 10.00pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 28 Apr 2015 9.38pm

Wish I hadn't waded into you lot trolling each other now.

But I do think the lack of a credible left wing party at this election is striking. Say what you like about UKIP, they have an effective leader and an excellent electoral record.


They are predicted to get anything from zero and two seats at most by the US stat magician Nate Silver. 'Effective and Excellent' has a low bar these days.


On the TV show with Richard Bacon (shows how serious it was!) he admitted there are too many variables in UK polling to accurately predict any result.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Apr 15 11.28am

Quote pefwin at 28 Apr 2015 7.44pm

Quote matt_himself at 28 Apr 2015 7.29pm


Would you use the 'n' word in 'context'?

What a pussy response.


I would use ****** in context.

This rubbish is why people, who say the phrase ""n" word" are trying to censor Mark Twain.

History should never be sanitized for the convenience of the current age. The word has a place in society, and like any word, it is the context of its use that is significant, because it determines the meaning projected by its use. There is a big difference between hip hop stars using the term in reference to his friends and a white supremacist and only an idiot would believe that word, in both contexts, is the same.

Words are defined by their context of use.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Apr 15 11.33am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm

Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them.


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I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie.

I'd imagine that true of every person who's ever been killed by someone else, that their family wished they'd never met the person that killed them, muslim, crazy or otherwise.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Apr 15 11.36am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Apr 2015 11.03am

Quote Seth at 28 Apr 2015 5.30pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm

Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them.


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I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie.


Lee Rigby's family have also made it very clear they don't want his murder to be used a political football or a stick to beat Muslims in general with.


I wasn't using it for that purpose Seth but as a retort to the ridiculous statement that you don't see or meet crazy Muslims FFS

You don't in general, because they're a minority within a minority, probably just about on a par with crazy white folks with strange ideas that lead to them killing people.

Sad fact of society, they're are always going to be 'crazy' f**ktards who think violence is its own solution.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Apr 15 11.37am

Quote Seth at 29 Apr 2015 12.33am

Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 5.46pm

Quote Seth at 28 Apr 2015 5.30pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm

Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them.


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I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie.


Lee Rigby's family have also made it very clear they don't want his murder to be used a political football or a stick to beat Muslims in general with.

You are not allowed to remember that, or 9/11 or 7/7 it's not PC.


In which of your imaginary universes is this the case?

I know right, no one ever seems to mention terrorism and muslim in the same sentence.... no wait..


 


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Hoof Hearted 29 Apr 15 11.43am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Apr 2015 11.36am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Apr 2015 11.03am

Quote Seth at 28 Apr 2015 5.30pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm

Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them.


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I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie.


Lee Rigby's family have also made it very clear they don't want his murder to be used a political football or a stick to beat Muslims in general with.


I wasn't using it for that purpose Seth but as a retort to the ridiculous statement that you don't see or meet crazy Muslims FFS

You don't in general, because they're a minority within a minority, probably just about on a par with crazy white folks with strange ideas that lead to them killing people.

Sad fact of society, they're are always going to be 'crazy' f**ktards who think violence is its own solution.



You keep believing that whilst the news shows us pictures of beheadings of hostages on a fairly regular basis now.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Apr 15 11.44am

Quote matt_himself at 28 Apr 2015 6.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 27 Apr 2015 10.18pm

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More of UKIP's 'sort'


you have used the term ''bender" on here.

How is that different from this man's crime?

PS. You know you have used the term "bender" on here. Don't bother asking me to find where.

Context of use, intent and meaning. All use of language is positional.

If you refer to people in public, you don't know as being Arse Bandits publically, its very different than referring to people you know as being a bender, especially if you know they aren't.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Apr 15 11.51am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Apr 2015 11.43am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Apr 2015 11.36am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Apr 2015 11.03am

Quote Seth at 28 Apr 2015 5.30pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 Apr 2015 4.56pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2015 4.19pm

Its almost as if it sells newspapers and content, to print only the 'inflamtory' side of stories. I mean you hear a lot about crazy Muslims, but you don't actually ever seem to see or met them.


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I'll bet Lee Rigby's family wished he hadn't seen or met crazy Muslims Jamie.


Lee Rigby's family have also made it very clear they don't want his murder to be used a political football or a stick to beat Muslims in general with.


I wasn't using it for that purpose Seth but as a retort to the ridiculous statement that you don't see or meet crazy Muslims FFS

You don't in general, because they're a minority within a minority, probably just about on a par with crazy white folks with strange ideas that lead to them killing people.

Sad fact of society, they're are always going to be 'crazy' f**ktards who think violence is its own solution.



You keep believing that whilst the news shows us pictures of beheadings of hostages on a fairly regular basis now.

See, the difference here, is that I prefer to judge people primarily either on the actions of the majority, who aren't murdering people, and on the individual experience of having known quite a few muslims now who all seem to be equally horrified by such actions.

The fact that most of those being murdered by groups like IS, Al-Queda and their affiliates are Muslims themselves seems to be lost on people, who just see it as an excuse to denigrate whole swarths of a population. In fact most of those who have actually been engaged against Islamist terror are other Muslims (Kurds for example are about 80% Muslim).

By comparison, the number of westerners killed by IS and their ilk is insignificant compared to the number of other Muslims who have been killed.


 


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