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View maghull's Profile maghull 04 Jul 14 6.36pm Send a Private Message to maghull Add maghull as a friend

As bad as the season before was,it's still hard to believe why so many fans disappeared virtually over night.
We went from having 30,000 to within 18 months struggling to get 10,000.
And our away support was about 500 at most.
Where did they all go?

 

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View adrian b's Profile adrian b Flag Landrindod, Wales 04 Jul 14 7.45pm Send a Private Message to adrian b Add adrian b as a friend

I have a theory on that one. One week I would be standing squashed in at the White Horse among a 30,000 gate, the following fortnight, same scenario, 20,000. Now this was the time when VAT was relatively new. At the time I worked near the old Millwall ground and our tea lady also did that job for local accountants who worked for the 'Ooolighans. It was suggested a clubs VAT on gate receipts would be 'estimated' at the seasons end. Then an average gate would be worked out over the season, an average entry price calculated. Times that by the number of home games and charge the 15% (I think that was the VAT at the time). Now if you could reduce the average gate...........

 

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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 Jul 14 8.27pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

tbh they have never really come back.

We had roughly 40,000 Palace fans attending more than just two or three games over the season I reckon in 79 which then averaged to 29,500.

That figure is probably around 23,000 today.


Palace were fashionable, on the up, media darlings, etc.

Edited by Kermit8 (04 Jul 2014 8.28pm)

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 04 Jul 2014 8.27pm

tbh they have never really come back.

We had roughly 40,000 Palace fans attending more than just two or three games over the season I reckon in 79 which then averaged to 29,500.

That figure is probably around 23,000 today.


Palace were fashionable, on the up, media darlings, etc.

Edited by Kermit8 (04 Jul 2014 8.28pm)

What I can't get my head round though is even before that in the old 2nd and 3rd division our crowds were bigger than when we went down in 81.

 

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View dingdong's Profile dingdong Flag bognor regis 04 Jul 14 9.16pm Send a Private Message to dingdong Add dingdong as a friend

remember the 1st home against cambridge if i remember rightly,we only got something like 11500

 

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Quote dingdong at 04 Jul 2014 9.16pm

remember the 1st home against cambridge if i remember rightly,we only got something like 11500


Yeah remember it well,hot sunny day penalty for us in less than a minute,then another one shortly after.
Then they got one and we just hung on for the win. Up until then I'd never seen selhurst that empty. Little did I know that was gonna be bumper crowd for us over the next 8 years.
Dark days indeed.

 

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Quote maghull at 04 Jul 2014 6.36pm

And our away support was about 500 at most.

I only missed 2 away games that season and we were lucky if there was 100 of us there for some of the games of any sort of distance, i know this because we would be thinly spread on some big old terraces and as the performances were pretty grim back then it gave us something to do counting!! It wasted all of 5 minutes

Edited by monkey (04 Jul 2014 11.44pm)

 


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Quote monkey at 04 Jul 2014 11.25pm

Quote maghull at 04 Jul 2014 6.36pm

And our away support was about 500 at most.

I only missed 2 away games that season and we were lucky if there was 100 of us there for some of the games of any sort of distance, i know this because we would be thinly spread on some big old terraces and as the performances were pretty grim back then it gave us something to do counting!! It wasted all of 5 minutes

Edited by monkey (04 Jul 2014 11.44pm)


Your right come to think of it.
500 back then was a good turn out.
I remember going to Wrexham that season and it was the first time we had won away for 18 months,steve Lovell scored, and there was only about 150 of us on a terrace that held about 3000.

 

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Quote monkey at 04 Jul 2014 11.25pm

Quote maghull at 04 Jul 2014 6.36pm

And our away support was about 500 at most.

I only missed 2 away games that season and we were lucky if there was 100 of us there for some of the games of any sort of distance, i know this because we would be thinly spread on some big old terraces and as the performances were pretty grim back then it gave us something to do counting!! It wasted all of 5 minutes

Edited by monkey (04 Jul 2014 11.44pm)


Your right come to think of it.
500 back then was a good turn out.
I remember going to Wrexham that season and it was the first time we had won away for 18 months,steve Lovell scored, and there was only about 150 of us on a terrace that held about 3000.

I was there, that turned into a great day, as you say we hadn't won away for so long, we were both in the bottom 3 i think, it was cold, foggy, a poxy long journey, we were caged in with fences all around us and it was a s***e game, but when Lovell popped up with the winner we all went mental, we'd lost a few away games 1-0 up to then and to finally win one was a great feeling.

 


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View Bubbs's Profile Bubbs Flag Edinburgh 05 Jul 14 10.10am Send a Private Message to Bubbs Add Bubbs as a friend

Was at that Cambridge first game too. Hinshelwood with a double pen.

One of the more memorable home games that season was the 3-3 draw against Luton who won the league that year. Think it was televised too but have never seen footage of it since.

The sudden drop in attendances was for a few reasons I think and certainly not to do with Alan Mullery becoming manager, as many have stated as fact in retrospect. For a start, Mullery didn't arrive until the following season.

Obviously our sudden drop in quality didn't help. The unbelievably exciting Team of the 80's being torn apart and the subsequent relegation and influx of mediocre players certainly made many walk away.

But the crowd reduction was not just a Palace phenomenon; it happened up and down the country outside the 1st Division. Coincided with prices starting to creep up - nothing major - but enough to make people look elsewhere especially with the early 80's recession and 3 million unemployed at that time.

Another factor was the hooliganism. Think a lot of dads thought twice about taking their kids. Going to football at that time in this country was almost deemed a lower class pursuit; a game for the riff-raff. You would certainly never hear a member of the Government or a Royal openly profess to supporting a side as you do now.

Football in the 80's was a totally different animal to what it was in the decades before and after, and in many ways what happened at Hillsborough in '89 was a culmination of this.

It does come across as quite a paradox, but I look back on going to football then as my favourite time. Palace were mostly cr*p; trouble in the air everywhere you went; grounds and facilities in total disrepair; treated like animals by the authorities; and yet, there was something real, creative, loose and invigorating about the whole experience.

There is more than a whiff of predictability and conformity about football these days.

 


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Quote monkey at 05 Jul 2014 9.35am

Quote maghull at 05 Jul 2014 7.53am

Quote monkey at 04 Jul 2014 11.25pm

Quote maghull at 04 Jul 2014 6.36pm

And our away support was about 500 at most.

I only missed 2 away games that season and we were lucky if there was 100 of us there for some of the games of any sort of distance, i know this because we would be thinly spread on some big old terraces and as the performances were pretty grim back then it gave us something to do counting!! It wasted all of 5 minutes

Edited by monkey (04 Jul 2014 11.44pm)


Your right come to think of it.
500 back then was a good turn out.
I remember going to Wrexham that season and it was the first time we had won away for 18 months,steve Lovell scored, and there was only about 150 of us on a terrace that held about 3000.

I was there, that turned into a great day, as you say we hadn't won away for so long, we were both in the bottom 3 i think, it was cold, foggy, a poxy long journey, we were caged in with fences all around us and it was a s***e game, but when Lovell popped up with the winner we all went mental, we'd lost a few away games 1-0 up to then and to finally win one was a great feeling.

I remember a match at Middlesborough in the pouring rain. We hadn't won away away for about 2 years. There were about 60 of us. I think we won 3-1. Went back with the players on the train :-)

 


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Quote monkey at 05 Jul 2014 9.35am

Quote maghull at 05 Jul 2014 7.53am

Quote monkey at 04 Jul 2014 11.25pm

Quote maghull at 04 Jul 2014 6.36pm

And our away support was about 500 at most.

I only missed 2 away games that season and we were lucky if there was 100 of us there for some of the games of any sort of distance, i know this because we would be thinly spread on some big old terraces and as the performances were pretty grim back then it gave us something to do counting!! It wasted all of 5 minutes

Edited by monkey (04 Jul 2014 11.44pm)


Your right come to think of it.
500 back then was a good turn out.
I remember going to Wrexham that season and it was the first time we had won away for 18 months,steve Lovell scored, and there was only about 150 of us on a terrace that held about 3000.

I was there, that turned into a great day, as you say we hadn't won away for so long, we were both in the bottom 3 i think, it was cold, foggy, a poxy long journey, we were caged in with fences all around us and it was a s***e game, but when Lovell popped up with the winner we all went mental, we'd lost a few away games 1-0 up to then and to finally win one was a great feeling.


It was a good day that.
I remember coming out the station and we all started singing england! england! england!
That was the first time id ever gone on the special aswell.

 

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