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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 17 Oct 16 3.13pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

This is why safe sex involves a spade, quick lime and duct tape.

If you're going to be a predator, do it properly.

You and Cuckster might mock me, but a woman needs to be treated properly. This involves a certain amount of courting such as cinema and a reasonably priced meal. Then permission from her father to marry the girl. Then marriage. The first act ought to happen with the lights off too and involve a lot of apologising.

I have to say, I'm really excited about the prospect.

 




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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 17 Oct 16 4.39pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Part Time James

You and Cuckster might mock me, but a woman needs to be treated properly. This involves a certain amount of courting such as cinema and a reasonably priced meal. Then permission from her father to marry the girl. Then marriage. The first act ought to happen with the lights off too and involve a lot of apologising.

I have to say, I'm really excited about the prospect.

Flipping heck this sounds like you handed your balls back once you got to eighteen.

You were born a man, you sound like the WI. Maybe you'll get a sympathy shag from a feminist.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Oct 2016 4.40pm)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Oct 16 5.01pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

You and Cuckster might mock me, but a woman needs to be treated properly

Quite, and that involves seeing her picture on crimewatch in five years time.

 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 27 Oct 16 12.38pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It speaks to corroboration of Evans statement to the police. That what she said, and did, with him, can be corroborated with his statement, lends credence to him being 'reasonable in believing he had consent' (when in fact he did not. Usually this isn't relevant, but because intoxication makes consent unreliable - the notion of 'being reasonable in belief of consent' is vital.

Its what's known as a reasonable doubt defence. Rather than prove innocence of a crime, the defence makes a case that revolves around producing doubt in the jury's mind. Effectively, the case has a rape victim, and no rapists.

Usually you can spot the 'I knew I was guilty but got away with it' if they sue for damages and win.


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Oct 16 12.53pm

I think in terms of rape offences, if the previous sex life of the victim is 'opened to the court' then that of the perpetrator should also be admissible.

 


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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 27 Oct 16 1.26pm Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

I think I agree with this

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Speaking after the verdict, the spokeswoman for the campaign group Women Against Rape, said: “This sets a dangerous precedent to allow irrelevant sexual history evidence..."

But this sexual history evidence was very relevant. Relevant enough to get the verdict overturned and show a questionable pattern of behaviour from the 'victim' that validated Evans' version of events.

Tricky one.

 

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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

Speaking after the verdict, the spokeswoman for the campaign group Women Against Rape, said: “This sets a dangerous precedent to allow irrelevant sexual history evidence..."

But this sexual history evidence was very relevant. Relevant enough to get the verdict overturned and show a questionable pattern of behaviour from the 'victim' that validated Evans' version of events.

Tricky one.

Very tricky - being a wanton harlot does not in any way mean you are fair game for a raping.

What I'm more concerned about (and I'm no Romeo so I'm sure there are many more out there) is that I have been known to get some grief the morning after the night before for the absolute munter I was dabbling with, when I have absolutely no recollection. If I don't remember, does that mean I was incapable of consent and have therefore been raped? Not implying that was the case here (long since lost interest in this one), just a thought

 

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Originally posted by npn

Very tricky - being a wanton harlot does not in any way mean you are fair game for a raping.

What I'm more concerned about (and I'm no Romeo so I'm sure there are many more out there) is that I have been known to get some grief the morning after the night before for the absolute munter I was dabbling with, when I have absolutely no recollection. If I don't remember, does that mean I was incapable of consent and have therefore been raped? Not implying that was the case here (long since lost interest in this one), just a thought

totally agree. I've woken up next to some right monsters, so hideous that I'd never admit being raped for the shame and embarrassment of everyone knowing I'd actually dipped it.

 

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View Canterbury Palace's Profile Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 27 Oct 16 2.25pm Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Hardly a witch hunt. He was convicted of rape, by a jury of his peers, beyond a reasonable doubt, based on the evidence.


He was denied employment at a succession of clubs due to the intervention of do-gooder celebrities, politicians, sponsors, online petitions and the social media mob all applying pressure to every club that tried to sign him.

Funnily enough, online kangaroo courts don't yet hold legal precedent in this country, so the fact that they did succeed in blocking someone who was legally entitled to work from doing so is what, if not a witch hunt?

The fact that he was subsequently found not guilty makes it even worse.

You claim that he is lucky to have been found innocent, presuming that his status affected the eventual outcome. However, that works both ways and the torrent of abuse he has received and earnings lost are also of a far higher proportion than they would have been if he was a normal person.

Just to clarify, I am no fan of Evans and realise that he could have avoided the entire scenario if he had chosen not to act in such a foul and seedy manner. However, he is legally innocent and will now spend the rest of his life with the stigma of rape attached to him.

 


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Originally posted by npn

Very tricky - being a wanton harlot does not in any way mean you are fair game for a raping.

What I'm more concerned about (and I'm no Romeo so I'm sure there are many more out there) is that I have been known to get some grief the morning after the night before for the absolute munter I was dabbling with, when I have absolutely no recollection. If I don't remember, does that mean I was incapable of consent and have therefore been raped? Not implying that was the case here (long since lost interest in this one), just a thought


Think this will fall into the same bracket as the case against McDonald(?) the co-defendant, in as much as you probably met foresaid munter in a club/bar and went home/out the back with them, therefore they could reasonably presume consent.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 28 Oct 16 3.48pm

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

He was denied employment at a succession of clubs due to the intervention of do-gooder celebrities, politicians, sponsors, online petitions and the social media mob all applying pressure to every club that tried to sign him.

Funnily enough, online kangaroo courts don't yet hold legal precedent in this country, so the fact that they did succeed in blocking someone who was legally entitled to work from doing so is what, if not a witch hunt?

Of course he was found guilty, at trial, and only then released by Sheffield Utd.

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
The fact that he was subsequently found not guilty makes it even worse.

On the basis of witnesses who only came forward last year, in response to an offer of a reward. Its important to remember that the woman in question had waived anonymity, and was not found to be lying either.

Without that evidence, he was rightly convicted of rape (his first appeal was turned down). This isn't a case of miscarriage of justice or withheld evidence by the prosecution or police. The retrial was based on evidence that had it been available to the original jury may have affected their verdict.

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
You claim that he is lucky to have been found innocent, presuming that his status affected the eventual outcome. However, that works both ways and the torrent of abuse he has received and earnings lost are also of a far higher proportion than they would have been if he was a normal person.

Absolutely, had he not posted a 50k reward and had the kind of celebrity high level status the case garnered, its pretty certain those two corroborating witnesses to 'reasonable consent' would not have appeared, and he would still be Chad Evans the Rapist.

So yes, he is lucky that a) he had 50k to offer b) that the witch hunt happened otherwise those two witnesses might never have come forwards.

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
Just to clarify, I am no fan of Evans and realise that he could have avoided the entire scenario if he had chosen not to act in such a foul and seedy manner. However, he is legally innocent and will now spend the rest of his life with the stigma of rape attached to him.

Quite, and he should not have been so singularly ostracised after having served out the five years. I don't agree that necessarily he should have been able to immediately return to football on parole (but then I don't agree with automatic early release and parole for sex offenders - Parole and early release should be based on rehabilitation etc).

But he basically overturned a rape charge on what would normally be referred to as a technicality in most cases. Remember that there was still actually a rape, its just that no one was guilty of rape.

He can thank his lawyer and 50k for him being cleared.

Lets not forget just how scummy his 'Defenders' had been throughout the case and that a number of his 'close friends and family' were involved in some pretty scummy online activity.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Quite, and he should not have been so singularly ostracised after having served out the five years. I don't agree that necessarily he should have been able to immediately return to football on parole (but then I don't agree with automatic early release and parole for sex offenders - Parole and early release should be based on rehabilitation etc).

But he basically overturned a rape charge on what would normally be referred to as a technicality in most cases. Remember that there was still actually a rape, its just that no one was guilty of rape.

He can thank his lawyer and 50k for him being cleared.

Lets not forget just how scummy his 'Defenders' had been throughout the case and that a number of his 'close friends and family' were involved in some pretty scummy online activity.

Totally agree. Well said.

 

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