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It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic!

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One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying.

Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky

Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)


Ouch. Are you suggesting that the wonderful Labour Party allowed so many unskilled people through our borders that the increase in homelessness could, in part, be down to their ridiculously flawed immigration policy?


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Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...


Because the economy and outlook is better than compared to then.

And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty.

Actually, a number of investment experts are suggesting that Europe and Japanese economies are due for out performance this year and next, as both are now in the early stages of quantative easing, or stimulating the economy, a tactic already employed in the US and UK.

The immigration policy under both recent governments in the UK would have to be considered flawed by your measure Helmet, as both have presided over increased numbers. In Labour's defence, at least they never promised to reduce immigration and failed, unlike Cameron.

However, the idea that immigration to ageing nations is negative doesn't bare scrutiny. Countries such as ourselves, Italy, Germany and especially Japan need taxpayers to support increasing numbers of pensioners, and the birth rate isn't supplying them.

Japan, a far more insular country historically than the UK, is currently looking at ways of bringing in workers to settle, work and pay taxes to support their ageing population. We already have a supply of taxpayers from abroad who contribute far more than they take out; what's the problem with that?


The latest data shows that Japan's economy has contracted for the two quarters in a row and that's recession country.

 

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legaleagle Flag 26 Feb 15 9.54pm

Quote moylerg at 26 Feb 2015 8.58pm

Quote Stuk at 26 Feb 2015 8.49pm

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Quote Helmet46 at 26 Feb 2015 8.37pm

Quote moylerg at 26 Feb 2015 8.21pm

Quote Helmet46 at 26 Feb 2015 8.17pm

It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic!

[Link]

One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying.

Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky

Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)


Ouch. Are you suggesting that the wonderful Labour Party allowed so many unskilled people through our borders that the increase in homelessness could, in part, be down to their ridiculously flawed immigration policy?


[Link]

Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...


Because the economy and outlook is better than compared to then.

And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty.

....that damned EU immigration, or free border crossing problem again. All too easy.


Funny how it appears the largest increase in the past year (and the largest number) of migrants coming here are from non EU as opposed to EU countries (so unconnected to free movement or EU rules "imposed" on the UK),yet some will no doubt rattle on primarily about the EU when discussing the new figures regardless...

 

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Quote chris123 at 26 Feb 2015 9.54pm

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Quote Helmet46 at 26 Feb 2015 8.37pm

Quote moylerg at 26 Feb 2015 8.21pm

Quote Helmet46 at 26 Feb 2015 8.17pm

It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic!

[Link]

One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying.

Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky

Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)


Ouch. Are you suggesting that the wonderful Labour Party allowed so many unskilled people through our borders that the increase in homelessness could, in part, be down to their ridiculously flawed immigration policy?


[Link]

Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...


Because the economy and outlook is better than compared to then.

And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty.

Actually, a number of investment experts are suggesting that Europe and Japanese economies are due for out performance this year and next, as both are now in the early stages of quantative easing, or stimulating the economy, a tactic already employed in the US and UK.

The immigration policy under both recent governments in the UK would have to be considered flawed by your measure Helmet, as both have presided over increased numbers. In Labour's defence, at least they never promised to reduce immigration and failed, unlike Cameron.

However, the idea that immigration to ageing nations is negative doesn't bare scrutiny. Countries such as ourselves, Italy, Germany and especially Japan need taxpayers to support increasing numbers of pensioners, and the birth rate isn't supplying them.

Japan, a far more insular country historically than the UK, is currently looking at ways of bringing in workers to settle, work and pay taxes to support their ageing population. We already have a supply of taxpayers from abroad who contribute far more than they take out; what's the problem with that?


The latest data shows that Japan's economy has contracted for the two quarters in a row and that's recession country.


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Quote Helmet46 at 26 Feb 2015 8.17pm

It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic!

[Link]

One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying.

Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky

Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)


Ouch. Are you suggesting that the wonderful Labour Party allowed so many unskilled people through our borders that the increase in homelessness could, in part, be down to their ridiculously flawed immigration policy?


[Link]

Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...


Because the economy and outlook is better than compared to then.

And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty.

Actually, a number of investment experts are suggesting that Europe and Japanese economies are due for out performance this year and next, as both are now in the early stages of quantative easing, or stimulating the economy, a tactic already employed in the US and UK.

The immigration policy under both recent governments in the UK would have to be considered flawed by your measure Helmet, as both have presided over increased numbers. In Labour's defence, at least they never promised to reduce immigration and failed, unlike Cameron.

However, the idea that immigration to ageing nations is negative doesn't bare scrutiny. Countries such as ourselves, Italy, Germany and especially Japan need taxpayers to support increasing numbers of pensioners, and the birth rate isn't supplying them.

Japan, a far more insular country historically than the UK, is currently looking at ways of bringing in workers to settle, work and pay taxes to support their ageing population. We already have a supply of taxpayers from abroad who contribute far more than they take out; what's the problem with that?


The latest data shows that Japan's economy has contracted for the two quarters in a row and that's recession country.


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GS may be bullish about Japanese equities - but the country still had back to back negative growth in successive quarters last year.

 

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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 26 Feb 15 11.01pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

If this is a government that wanted/promised to control net migration it compounds the argument that we can't, because of either UN or EU obligations.

Even during the worst points of the recession net migration was high.

 


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legaleagle Flag 26 Feb 15 11.49pm

Not sure it does.Rather,I think the statistics weaken that argument.According to the figures published today, net more non EU immigrants came here in the 12 month period than EU immigrants and their numbers increased at a higher rate than net EU immigrants.

Asylum seekers (though much spotlighted in parts of the press) have accounted for perhaps 20,000-30,000 people applying for (not necessarily being granted) asylum each year 2008-12,so factually a minority part of non EU immigration.

So, whatever one's thoughts of the reasons for/merits/lack of merits about immigration,it would seem that the majority of the numbers concern wholly UK government set policies rather than the EU or UN.

And from the non EU figures,it would also be relevant to strap out overseas students (hghly beneficial to the UK economy short and long term and crucial to keeping our universities afloat nowadays) and those working for "international" companies where significant numbers of Brits go to work abroad in similar circumstances as well.

So,the average immigrant in the 12 month period may not be "Johnny new EU nation foreigner"

The number of Romanians/Bulgarians who arrived were I think c.36,000,a much lower figure than the shock horror numbers confidently predicted beforehand in parts of the press.As the Daily Express put it in a headline in October 2012:"Now 29m Bulgarians and Romanians can soon move to Britain"


 

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Quote legaleagle at 26 Feb 2015 11.49pm

Not sure it does.Rather,I think the statistics weaken that argument.According to the figures published today, net more non EU immigrants came here in the 12 month period than EU immigrants and their numbers increased at a higher rate than net EU immigrants.

Asylum seekers (though much spotlighted in parts of the press) have accounted for perhaps 20,000-30,000 people applying for (not necessarily being granted) asylum each year 2008-12,so factually a minority part of non EU immigration.

So, whatever one's thoughts of the reasons for/merits/lack of merits about immigration,it would seem that the majority of the numbers concern wholly UK government set policies rather than the EU or UN.

And from the non EU figures,it would also be relevant to strap out overseas students (hghly beneficial to the UK economy short and long term and crucial to keeping our universities afloat nowadays) and those working for "international" companies where significant numbers of Brits go to work abroad in similar circumstances as well.

So,the average immigrant in the 12 month period may not be "Johnny new EU nation foreigner"

The number of Romanians/Bulgarians who arrived were I think c.36,000,a much lower figure than the shock horror numbers confidently predicted beforehand in parts of the press.As the Daily Express put it in a headline in October 2012:"Now 29m Bulgarians and Romanians can soon move to Britain"


Don't forget to add in all those poor old sods marrying their mail order Thai brides or hot Russian beauties, and the non-EU nationals getting in through 'arranged' marriages with EU nationals, which then gives them the right of residence .......

 


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Quote chris123 at 26 Feb 2015 10.18pm

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Quote chris123 at 26 Feb 2015 9.54pm

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Quote nickgusset at 26 Feb 2015 8.40pm

Quote Helmet46 at 26 Feb 2015 8.37pm

Quote moylerg at 26 Feb 2015 8.21pm

Quote Helmet46 at 26 Feb 2015 8.17pm

It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic!

[Link]

One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying.

Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky

Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)


Ouch. Are you suggesting that the wonderful Labour Party allowed so many unskilled people through our borders that the increase in homelessness could, in part, be down to their ridiculously flawed immigration policy?


[Link]

Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...


Because the economy and outlook is better than compared to then.

And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty.

Actually, a number of investment experts are suggesting that Europe and Japanese economies are due for out performance this year and next, as both are now in the early stages of quantative easing, or stimulating the economy, a tactic already employed in the US and UK.

The immigration policy under both recent governments in the UK would have to be considered flawed by your measure Helmet, as both have presided over increased numbers. In Labour's defence, at least they never promised to reduce immigration and failed, unlike Cameron.

However, the idea that immigration to ageing nations is negative doesn't bare scrutiny. Countries such as ourselves, Italy, Germany and especially Japan need taxpayers to support increasing numbers of pensioners, and the birth rate isn't supplying them.

Japan, a far more insular country historically than the UK, is currently looking at ways of bringing in workers to settle, work and pay taxes to support their ageing population. We already have a supply of taxpayers from abroad who contribute far more than they take out; what's the problem with that?


The latest data shows that Japan's economy has contracted for the two quarters in a row and that's recession country.


[Link]


GS may be bullish about Japanese equities - but the country still had back to back negative growth in successive quarters last year.


My post referred to this year and next, not historically. The recovery has started. However, not that many Japanese people settle in the UK, and those that do are unlikely to be homeless. This is also true of Europe, where the recovery is now underway.

There have been a number of homeless people arriving from Europe, mainly from poorer countries. Some were living rough in Park Lane, of all places, before they were moved on. But these numbers are relatively small compared to the homeless from other parts of the UK that live on the streets of London.

 


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Quote Stuk at 26 Feb 2015 8.49pm

Quote nickgusset at 26 Feb 2015 8.40pm

Quote Helmet46 at 26 Feb 2015 8.37pm

Quote moylerg at 26 Feb 2015 8.21pm

Quote Helmet46 at 26 Feb 2015 8.17pm

It's poor. They're all sh1te. The previous lot didn't have a glowing record of results on many things. In other words dependent upon the stat you're looking for they've all got shocking records. Just pick a topic!

[Link]

One might even dare to add that with more than half of homeless people considered to be immigrants, then the current statistics are as a direct result of the previous government's appalling immigration record. Just saying.

Edit: sorry, just saw your kind of related post Becky

Edited by moylerg (26 Feb 2015 8.22pm)


Ouch. Are you suggesting that the wonderful Labour Party allowed so many unskilled people through our borders that the increase in homelessness could, in part, be down to their ridiculously flawed immigration policy?


[Link]

Net migration is 50000 higher this year than when the ConDems came to power, yet people still blame the Labour cunds...


Because the economy and outlook is better than compared to then.

And other parts of the world, even close to home, are still s***ty.

Actually, a number of investment experts are suggesting that Europe and Japanese economies are due for out performance this year and next, as both are now in the early stages of quantative easing, or stimulating the economy, a tactic already employed in the US and UK.

The immigration policy under both recent governments in the UK would have to be considered flawed by your measure Helmet, as both have presided over increased numbers. In Labour's defence, at least they never promised to reduce immigration and failed, unlike Cameron.

However, the idea that immigration to ageing nations is negative doesn't bare scrutiny. Countries such as ourselves, Italy, Germany and especially Japan need taxpayers to support increasing numbers of pensioners, and the birth rate isn't supplying them.

Japan, a far more insular country historically than the UK, is currently looking at ways of bringing in workers to settle, work and pay taxes to support their ageing population. We already have a supply of taxpayers from abroad who contribute far more than they take out; what's the problem with that?


The latest data shows that Japan's economy has contracted for the two quarters in a row and that's recession country.


[Link]


GS may be bullish about Japanese equities - but the country still had back to back negative growth in successive quarters last year.


My post referred to this year and next, not historically. The recovery has started. However, not that many Japanese people settle in the UK, and those that do are unlikely to be homeless. This is also true of Europe, where the recovery is now underway.

There have been a number of homeless people arriving from Europe, mainly from poorer countries. Some were living rough in Park Lane, of all places, before they were moved on. But these numbers are relatively small compared to the homeless from other parts of the UK that live on the streets of London.


Well we're still in February - so there's not much data on 2015 yet.

 

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Who cares about homeless people?

You'll be moaning about women and the disabled next.

 


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Quote Johnny Eagles at 27 Feb 2015 8.58am

Who cares about homeless people?

You'll be moaning about women and the disabled next.

I dunno mate, say what you like about homeless people...

No, literally, say what you like, they're unlikely to be looking on here.

 




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Quote nickgusset at 26 Feb 2015 7.34pm

[Link] up 50 percent under current government. Well done Dave and Nick.


No......... well done Tony and Gordon!

They started the open door immigration policy which has spiralled out of control and has led to foreigners sleeping rough on our streets, parks, underpasses etc.

 

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