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sickboy Deal or Croydon 27 Aug 15 10.23pm
Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top. Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good" Over 10 years ago, and he wasnt great when he first came down. Are you seriously saying that the sot prem is a good standard? Imho most of their prem teams would struggle against top half champ teams down here. Average players may look great against poor opposition but you're neglecting the fact that great players can also make the step up from a lower standard of competition. Just look at where the players in our own squad that were part of the promotion side came from and still dont look out of place in the PL, and lest we forget Punch came all the way up form league one with Southampton. Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm) Over a period of time they can improve but it is a big step up to the prem to be consistantly good. Look at other threads on here to see the difference of opinion over Gayle. It takes time and personally i dont think virgil is that great. I also pointed out that our championship is probably a higher standard than the scot prem so therefore the step up to our premier league is not so great. How many players have come down from the spl in recent years and had an effect? Its a bigger step up in class than from the champ . joe ledley didnt seem to have a problem. James Macarthur went from Hamilton to wigan when he first moved to England and didnt do to bad. Steven fletcher and charlie adam are another couple that made the step up. I dont think the level of competition you play against is going to be the defining factor to whether or not Pardew or any of the scouts/coaches think a play can cut it in the PL. None of those had an instant impact and out of all those listed macarthur is by far the best. Ledders is struggling to make our matchday squad at present, adam went to the champ with blackpool and improved from there,and fletcher is not great. Again the point being in the last couple of years the gap between the spl and english prem is bigger than champ to prem and no one has come down like days of old and set our top league alight.
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Deal or Croydon 27 Aug 15 10.23pm

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Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm

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you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.

Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good"

Over 10 years ago, and he wasnt great when he first came down. Are you seriously saying that the sot prem is a good standard? Imho most of their prem teams would struggle against top half champ teams down here.

Average players may look great against poor opposition but you're neglecting the fact that great players can also make the step up from a lower standard of competition. Just look at where the players in our own squad that were part of the promotion side came from and still dont look out of place in the PL, and lest we forget Punch came all the way up form league one with Southampton.

Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm)

Over a period of time they can improve but it is a big step up to the prem to be consistantly good. Look at other threads on here to see the difference of opinion over Gayle. It takes time and personally i dont think virgil is that great. I also pointed out that our championship is probably a higher standard than the scot prem so therefore the step up to our premier league is not so great. How many players have come down from the spl in recent years and had an effect? Its a bigger step up in class than from the champ .

joe ledley didnt seem to have a problem. James Macarthur went from Hamilton to wigan when he first moved to England and didnt do to bad. Steven fletcher and charlie adam are another couple that made the step up. I dont think the level of competition you play against is going to be the defining factor to whether or not Pardew or any of the scouts/coaches think a play can cut it in the PL.

None of those had an instant impact and out of all those listed macarthur is by far the best. Ledders is struggling to make our matchday squad at present, adam went to the champ with blackpool and improved from there,and fletcher is not great. Again the point being in the last couple of years the gap between the spl and english prem is bigger than champ to prem and no one has come down like days of old and set our top league alight.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 27 Aug 15 10.28pm
As for coaches and managers deciding if players can make the step up they are not all exactly fighting each other over the best the spl has to offer are they? Bottom line is i dont want us to chuck several mill at van dijk as i dont think he improves us.
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Deal or Croydon 27 Aug 15 10.28pm

As for coaches and managers deciding if players can make the step up they are not all exactly fighting each other over the best the spl has to offer are they? Bottom line is i dont want us to chuck several mill at van dijk as i dont think he improves us.

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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 28 Aug 15 3.41pm
Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 10.23pm Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top. Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good" Over 10 years ago, and he wasnt great when he first came down. Are you seriously saying that the sot prem is a good standard? Imho most of their prem teams would struggle against top half champ teams down here. Average players may look great against poor opposition but you're neglecting the fact that great players can also make the step up from a lower standard of competition. Just look at where the players in our own squad that were part of the promotion side came from and still dont look out of place in the PL, and lest we forget Punch came all the way up form league one with Southampton. Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm) Over a period of time they can improve but it is a big step up to the prem to be consistantly good. Look at other threads on here to see the difference of opinion over Gayle. It takes time and personally i dont think virgil is that great. I also pointed out that our championship is probably a higher standard than the scot prem so therefore the step up to our premier league is not so great. How many players have come down from the spl in recent years and had an effect? Its a bigger step up in class than from the champ . joe ledley didnt seem to have a problem. James Macarthur went from Hamilton to wigan when he first moved to England and didnt do to bad. Steven fletcher and charlie adam are another couple that made the step up. I dont think the level of competition you play against is going to be the defining factor to whether or not Pardew or any of the scouts/coaches think a play can cut it in the PL. None of those had an instant impact and out of all those listed macarthur is by far the best. Ledders is struggling to make our matchday squad at present, adam went to the champ with blackpool and improved from there,and fletcher is not great. Again the point being in the last couple of years the gap between the spl and english prem is bigger than champ to prem and no one has come down like days of old and set our top league alight. I've been saying that for years, for me the SPL has to be one of the weakest leagues in Europe, I can only think of two that are weaker, the San Marino, and Andorran. Even Henrik Larsson who scored for fun (174 in 221 in games) in the SPL found it a lot harder when stepping up.
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Deurne Holland 28 Aug 15 3.41pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 10.23pm

Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm

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Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm

Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm

you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.

Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good"

Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm)

None of those had an instant impact and out of all those listed macarthur is by far the best. Ledders is struggling to make our matchday squad at present, adam went to the champ with blackpool and improved from there,and fletcher is not great. Again the point being in the last couple of years the gap between the spl and english prem is bigger than champ to prem and no one has come down like days of old and set our top league alight.

I've been saying that for years, for me the SPL has to be one of the weakest leagues in Europe, I can only think of two that are weaker, the San Marino, and Andorran.

Even Henrik Larsson who scored for fun (174 in 221 in games) in the SPL found it a lot harder when stepping up.

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eagles1230_3 Coulsdon 28 Aug 15 4.57pm
So your saying Malta/Wales/ Northern Ireland/Faroe Islands/Iceland etc all have stronger leagues? I know its pretty average in terms of quality but really! I think you may be slightly over exaggerating there! Quote Sg Bilko at 28 Aug 2015 3.41pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 10.23pm Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top. Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good" Over 10 years ago, and he wasnt great when he first came down. Are you seriously saying that the sot prem is a good standard? Imho most of their prem teams would struggle against top half champ teams down here. Average players may look great against poor opposition but you're neglecting the fact that great players can also make the step up from a lower standard of competition. Just look at where the players in our own squad that were part of the promotion side came from and still dont look out of place in the PL, and lest we forget Punch came all the way up form league one with Southampton. Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm) Over a period of time they can improve but it is a big step up to the prem to be consistantly good. Look at other threads on here to see the difference of opinion over Gayle. It takes time and personally i dont think virgil is that great. I also pointed out that our championship is probably a higher standard than the scot prem so therefore the step up to our premier league is not so great. How many players have come down from the spl in recent years and had an effect? Its a bigger step up in class than from the champ . joe ledley didnt seem to have a problem. James Macarthur went from Hamilton to wigan when he first moved to England and didnt do to bad. Steven fletcher and charlie adam are another couple that made the step up. I dont think the level of competition you play against is going to be the defining factor to whether or not Pardew or any of the scouts/coaches think a play can cut it in the PL. None of those had an instant impact and out of all those listed macarthur is by far the best. Ledders is struggling to make our matchday squad at present, adam went to the champ with blackpool and improved from there,and fletcher is not great. Again the point being in the last couple of years the gap between the spl and english prem is bigger than champ to prem and no one has come down like days of old and set our top league alight. I've been saying that for years, for me the SPL has to be one of the weakest leagues in Europe, I can only think of two that are weaker, the San Marino, and Andorran. Even Henrik Larsson who scored for fun (174 in 221 in games) in the SPL found it a lot harder when stepping up. We had joy we had fun we had Brighton on the run, but the joy didn't last as the bastards ran to fast
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So your saying Malta/Wales/ Northern Ireland/Faroe Islands/Iceland etc all have stronger leagues? I know its pretty average in terms of quality but really! I think you may be slightly over exaggerating there!

Quote Sg Bilko at 28 Aug 2015 3.41pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 10.23pm

Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm

Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm

Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm

you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.

Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good"

Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm)

None of those had an instant impact and out of all those listed macarthur is by far the best. Ledders is struggling to make our matchday squad at present, adam went to the champ with blackpool and improved from there,and fletcher is not great. Again the point being in the last couple of years the gap between the spl and english prem is bigger than champ to prem and no one has come down like days of old and set our top league alight.

I've been saying that for years, for me the SPL has to be one of the weakest leagues in Europe, I can only think of two that are weaker, the San Marino, and Andorran.

Even Henrik Larsson who scored for fun (174 in 221 in games) in the SPL found it a lot harder when stepping up.

We had joy we had fun we had Brighton on the run, but the joy didn't last as the bastards ran to fast

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cooleagle89 Montrose 28 Aug 15 9.27pm
I agree with you, it is an exaggeration, but that said it is shocking how the standard has deteriorated since the eighties when Aberdeen were beating Real Madrid and Bayern Munich and Dundee United were beating Barcelona in the Nou camp Quote eagles1230_3 at 28 Aug 2015 4.57pm So your saying Malta/Wales/ Northern Ireland/Faroe Islands/Iceland etc all have stronger leagues? I know its pretty average in terms of quality but really! I think you may be slightly over exaggerating there! Quote Sg Bilko at 28 Aug 2015 3.41pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 10.23pm Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top. Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good" Over 10 years ago, and he wasnt great when he first came down. Are you seriously saying that the sot prem is a good standard? Imho most of their prem teams would struggle against top half champ teams down here. Average players may look great against poor opposition but you're neglecting the fact that great players can also make the step up from a lower standard of competition. Just look at where the players in our own squad that were part of the promotion side came from and still dont look out of place in the PL, and lest we forget Punch came all the way up form league one with Southampton. Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm) Over a period of time they can improve but it is a big step up to the prem to be consistantly good. Look at other threads on here to see the difference of opinion over Gayle. It takes time and personally i dont think virgil is that great. I also pointed out that our championship is probably a higher standard than the scot prem so therefore the step up to our premier league is not so great. How many players have come down from the spl in recent years and had an effect? Its a bigger step up in class than from the champ . joe ledley didnt seem to have a problem. James Macarthur went from Hamilton to wigan when he first moved to England and didnt do to bad. Steven fletcher and charlie adam are another couple that made the step up. I dont think the level of competition you play against is going to be the defining factor to whether or not Pardew or any of the scouts/coaches think a play can cut it in the PL. None of those had an instant impact and out of all those listed macarthur is by far the best. Ledders is struggling to make our matchday squad at present, adam went to the champ with blackpool and improved from there,and fletcher is not great. Again the point being in the last couple of years the gap between the spl and english prem is bigger than champ to prem and no one has come down like days of old and set our top league alight. I've been saying that for years, for me the SPL has to be one of the weakest leagues in Europe, I can only think of two that are weaker, the San Marino, and Andorran. Even Henrik Larsson who scored for fun (174 in 221 in games) in the SPL found it a lot harder when stepping up.
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Montrose 28 Aug 15 9.27pm

I agree with you, it is an exaggeration, but that said it is shocking how the standard has deteriorated since the eighties when Aberdeen were beating Real Madrid and Bayern Munich and Dundee United were beating Barcelona in the Nou camp

Quote eagles1230_3 at 28 Aug 2015 4.57pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 28 Aug 2015 3.41pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 10.23pm

Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm

Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm

Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm

you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.

Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good"

Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm)

None of those had an instant impact and out of all those listed macarthur is by far the best. Ledders is struggling to make our matchday squad at present, adam went to the champ with blackpool and improved from there,and fletcher is not great. Again the point being in the last couple of years the gap between the spl and english prem is bigger than champ to prem and no one has come down like days of old and set our top league alight.

I've been saying that for years, for me the SPL has to be one of the weakest leagues in Europe, I can only think of two that are weaker, the San Marino, and Andorran.

Even Henrik Larsson who scored for fun (174 in 221 in games) in the SPL found it a lot harder when stepping up.

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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 29 Aug 15 9.17am
Quote eagles1230_3 at 28 Aug 2015 4.57pm So your saying Malta/Wales/ Northern Ireland/Faroe Islands/Iceland etc all have stronger leagues? I know its pretty average in terms of quality but really! I think you may be slightly over exaggerating there! Quote Sg Bilko at 28 Aug 2015 3.41pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 10.23pm Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top. Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good" Over 10 years ago, and he wasnt great when he first came down. Are you seriously saying that the sot prem is a good standard? Imho most of their prem teams would struggle against top half champ teams down here. Average players may look great against poor opposition but you're neglecting the fact that great players can also make the step up from a lower standard of competition. Just look at where the players in our own squad that were part of the promotion side came from and still dont look out of place in the PL, and lest we forget Punch came all the way up form league one with Southampton. Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm) Over a period of time they can improve but it is a big step up to the prem to be consistantly good. Look at other threads on here to see the difference of opinion over Gayle. It takes time and personally i dont think virgil is that great. I also pointed out that our championship is probably a higher standard than the scot prem so therefore the step up to our premier league is not so great. How many players have come down from the spl in recent years and had an effect? Its a bigger step up in class than from the champ . joe ledley didnt seem to have a problem. James Macarthur went from Hamilton to wigan when he first moved to England and didnt do to bad. Steven fletcher and charlie adam are another couple that made the step up. I dont think the level of competition you play against is going to be the defining factor to whether or not Pardew or any of the scouts/coaches think a play can cut it in the PL. None of those had an instant impact and out of all those listed macarthur is by far the best. Ledders is struggling to make our matchday squad at present, adam went to the champ with blackpool and improved from there,and fletcher is not great. Again the point being in the last couple of years the gap between the spl and english prem is bigger than champ to prem and no one has come down like days of old and set our top league alight. I've been saying that for years, for me the SPL has to be one of the weakest leagues in Europe, I can only think of two that are weaker, the San Marino, and Andorran. Even Henrik Larsson who scored for fun (174 in 221 in games) in the SPL found it a lot harder when stepping up. No I did not say that, I said I could only think of those two, at the time I did not have the time to look through half the worlds leagues. I judge a league by it's strength in depth on all teams in the league not the top 3 or 4 teams, Malta, is a lot stronger than you think and will overtake the SPL if it already hasn't, Wales, their three top teams play in the English League system, Northern Ireland, is also stronger than you think, Faroe Islands/Iceland hardly in Europe are they plus they have no grass pitches in the Faroe Islands/Iceland, and when you see some of the top players that come from those counties then you'd realise they are no slouches, and they've also beaten and drawn against some of the bigger counties in Europe including Scotland, and Austria, and are ranked 75th in the FIFA World Rankings well above many other European countries.
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Deurne Holland 29 Aug 15 9.17am

Quote eagles1230_3 at 28 Aug 2015 4.57pm

So your saying Malta/Wales/ Northern Ireland/Faroe Islands/Iceland etc all have stronger leagues? I know its pretty average in terms of quality but really! I think you may be slightly over exaggerating there!

Quote Sg Bilko at 28 Aug 2015 3.41pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 10.23pm

Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm

Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm

Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm

you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.

Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good"

Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm)

None of those had an instant impact and out of all those listed macarthur is by far the best. Ledders is struggling to make our matchday squad at present, adam went to the champ with blackpool and improved from there,and fletcher is not great. Again the point being in the last couple of years the gap between the spl and english prem is bigger than champ to prem and no one has come down like days of old and set our top league alight.

I've been saying that for years, for me the SPL has to be one of the weakest leagues in Europe, I can only think of two that are weaker, the San Marino, and Andorran.

Even Henrik Larsson who scored for fun (174 in 221 in games) in the SPL found it a lot harder when stepping up.

No I did not say that, I said I could only think of those two, at the time I did not have the time to look through half the worlds leagues.

I judge a league by it's strength in depth on all teams in the league not the top 3 or 4 teams, Malta, is a lot stronger than you think and will overtake the SPL if it already hasn't, Wales, their three top teams play in the English League system, Northern Ireland, is also stronger than you think, Faroe Islands/Iceland hardly in Europe are they plus they have no grass pitches in the Faroe Islands/Iceland, and when you see some of the top players that come from those counties then you'd realise they are no slouches, and they've also beaten and drawn against some of the bigger counties in Europe including Scotland, and Austria, and are ranked 75th in the FIFA World Rankings well above many other European countries.

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What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat. Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 30 Aug 15 9.34am
Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 8.31am What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat. So true. Not much difference in standard week in week out. Some people seem to get carried away with what they see or hear from the media.
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Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 8.31am

What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat.

So true. Not much difference in standard week in week out. Some people seem to get carried away with what they see or hear from the media.

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sydtheeagle England 30 Aug 15 9.51am
Quote sickboy at 30 Aug 2015 9.34am Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 8.31am What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat. So true. Not much difference in standard week in week out. Some people seem to get carried away with what they see or hear from the media. And let's not forget that when he stepped up to Championship level vs. Malmo (I watch a lot of Swedish football and trust me, it's Championship-level at best) he was badly exposed. I'm not saying Van Dijk isn't a good player or won't make it in the PL, but 12m is a lot to pay for a league 1 player. Almost double the price of Jonny Evans, who is hardly old and has Premier League top four experience. Damo has now made it clear that while a new CB is probably desirable, we'd do better to buy and develop a really promising younger one at a more sensible price that can step in in a season or two. We really don't need to pay many millions for a high-risk player now. That money, if we're going to spend it, should go on a really proven goal scorer. Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 8.31am

What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat.

So true. Not much difference in standard week in week out. Some people seem to get carried away with what they see or hear from the media.

And let's not forget that when he stepped up to Championship level vs. Malmo (I watch a lot of Swedish football and trust me, it's Championship-level at best) he was badly exposed. I'm not saying Van Dijk isn't a good player or won't make it in the PL, but 12m is a lot to pay for a league 1 player. Almost double the price of Jonny Evans, who is hardly old and has Premier League top four experience. Damo has now made it clear that while a new CB is probably desirable, we'd do better to buy and develop a really promising younger one at a more sensible price that can step in in a season or two. We really don't need to pay many millions for a high-risk player now. That money, if we're going to spend it, should go on a really proven goal scorer.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 9.51am Quote sickboy at 30 Aug 2015 9.34am Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 8.31am What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat. So true. Not much difference in standard week in week out. Some people seem to get carried away with what they see or hear from the media. And let's not forget that when he stepped up to Championship level vs. Malmo (I watch a lot of Swedish football and trust me, it's Championship-level at best) he was badly exposed. I'm not saying Van Dijk isn't a good player or won't make it in the PL, but 12m is a lot to pay for a league 1 player. Almost double the price of Jonny Evans, who is hardly old and has Premier League top four experience. Damo has now made it clear that while a new CB is probably desirable, we'd do better to buy and develop a really promising younger one at a more sensible price that can step in in a season or two. We really don't need to pay many millions for a high-risk player now. That money, if we're going to spend it, should go on a really proven goal scorer. That CB to develop in the next 2-3 seasons could already be here in the form of Ryan Inniss. On loan at Port Vale and getting good reviews.
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Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 9.51am

Quote sickboy at 30 Aug 2015 9.34am

Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 8.31am

What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat.

So true. Not much difference in standard week in week out. Some people seem to get carried away with what they see or hear from the media.

That CB to develop in the next 2-3 seasons could already be here in the form of Ryan Inniss. On loan at Port Vale and getting good reviews.

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silvertop Portishead 30 Aug 15 11.37am
Quote Yorkseagle at 30 Aug 2015 10.03am Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 9.51am Quote sickboy at 30 Aug 2015 9.34am Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 8.31am What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat. So true. Not much difference in standard week in week out. Some people seem to get carried away with what they see or hear from the media. And let's not forget that when he stepped up to Championship level vs. Malmo (I watch a lot of Swedish football and trust me, it's Championship-level at best) he was badly exposed. I'm not saying Van Dijk isn't a good player or won't make it in the PL, but 12m is a lot to pay for a league 1 player. Almost double the price of Jonny Evans, who is hardly old and has Premier League top four experience. Damo has now made it clear that while a new CB is probably desirable, we'd do better to buy and develop a really promising younger one at a more sensible price that can step in in a season or two. We really don't need to pay many millions for a high-risk player now. That money, if we're going to spend it, should go on a really proven goal scorer. That CB to develop in the next 2-3 seasons could already be here in the form of Ryan Inniss. On loan at Port Vale and getting good reviews. Or it could be one of the England/France u21 squad players. We are now a team who players may want to come to to develop.
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What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat.

So true. Not much difference in standard week in week out. Some people seem to get carried away with what they see or hear from the media.

That CB to develop in the next 2-3 seasons could already be here in the form of Ryan Inniss. On loan at Port Vale and getting good reviews.

Or it could be one of the England/France u21 squad players. We are now a team who players may want to come to to develop.

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Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 8.31am What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat. While the standard of the SPL is similar to League 1 the standard of Celtics team most certainly is not. Kind of why they win it without breaking a sweat every year? While none of Celtic's players are stretched in the SPL if the quality is there to begin with it will not take long for a Celtic player to raise his game and bring the form necessary to compete in the Premiership. If you don't believe me just ask Ledley what he thinks (to his face!) VvD would be a great signing imo and yes I think over time he would prove to be worth a �10m price tag.
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Quote sydtheeagle at 30 Aug 2015 8.31am

What I don't get is this. If I suggested we sign the most dominant CB in League One, everyone would laugh at me. But they'd pay 12 million for Van Dijk without missing a beat.

While the standard of the SPL is similar to League 1 the standard of Celtics team most certainly is not. Kind of why they win it without breaking a sweat every year?
While none of Celtic's players are stretched in the SPL if the quality is there to begin with it will not take long for a Celtic player to raise his game and bring the form necessary to compete in the Premiership.
If you don't believe me just ask Ledley what he thinks (to his face!)
VvD would be a great signing imo and yes I think over time he would prove to be worth a �10m price tag.

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