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 Fazil Bawlty  24 Aug 15 10.33am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote Barcelona Based Fan at 24 Aug 2015 10.07am
I got the feeling after seeing Dwight handing his shirt to someone in the Holmesdale and his demeanour he's definitely on his way out Really? I felt the opposite. Reckon Murray and possibly Campbell will be off soon and Dwight will stay with someone like Austin coming in. Boosted by the instagram post Gayle sent out on Saturday with the hashtag '#whatwasithinking'. [Instagram Link] Edited by Fazil Bawlty (24 Aug 2015 10.34am)
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I'd be gutted to see him go.| minkus100 24 Aug 15 10.40am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote Fazil Bawlty at 24 Aug 2015 10.33am
Quote Barcelona Based Fan at 24 Aug 2015 10.07am
I got the feeling after seeing Dwight handing his shirt to someone in the Holmesdale and his demeanour he's definitely on his way out Really? I felt the opposite. Reckon Murray and possibly Campbell will be off soon and Dwight will stay with someone like Austin coming in. Boosted by the instagram post Gayle sent out on Saturday with the hashtag '#whatwasithinking'. [Instagram Link] Edited by Fazil Bawlty (24 Aug 2015 10.34am) Sadly, I think he is referring to him taking on a massive opponent when he is quite weak. I think that's the "joke" here, not a reference to him thinking of leaving.
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| Osvaldo Epsom 24 Aug 15 10.42am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Let's hurry up and seal the deal. We must get a 15 goal a season striker. As part of the deal we have some good championship players that we can offload, I'm sure QPR would jump at the chance of having Mutch back at Loftus Road! He was a snip at 4 million and was a brilliant player at Cardiff!
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| JL85 London,SE9 24 Aug 15 10.51am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Gone from 28/1 to Fav's over the weekend.
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| sydtheeagle England 24 Aug 15 11.03am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote laddo at 24 Aug 2015 9.51am
Syd, I can't see Austin and Wickham together, they're too similar. But i agree about Austin being a goalscorer. He is the goal scoring target man all teams crave, Shearer-esque in terms of what a team thinks they're buying. Wickham 'potentially' is the same but needs 15-20 goals a season in him before he can be put on that shelf, hence the fact he cost 7m less than Austin, however he's five years younger so maybe his time will come. Unless we move Murray/Gayle/Campbell on I just don't think this deal will happen. The Sunday papers lazily suggested it and now people are longing for it to happen. My gut says it won't. My gut also says he'd do very well at palace. Unfortunately it won't happen and I fear this new found optimism on potentially landing Austin only for him to go elsewhere will see this site explode in negativity, even though we've never been in for him since wickham arrived. Edited by laddo (24 Aug 2015 9.53am) I don't think we'll see Wickham/Austin together barring occasionally, but there are match situations (say, you're 2-0 up with 15 minutes to go) where bringing on Jedi and Wickham in place of, say, Wilf and Austin would make sense. There are also some opponents where it would make sense to include a Wickham-type forward from the start. I think injury is obviously the prime concern with Austin but it is what it is. Either you're prepared to sign him or you're not. To be honest, I'm not sure it matters that much anyway as you're covered by an insurance policy although that obviously adds to the cost. I think it's pretty clear we want to offload Gayle or Murray (or both), particularly the former and I'd agree there's zero chance we sign Austin if that doesn't happen. But I think it will happen, quite likely both rather than just one. As deadline madness takes over these sorts of things tend to fall into place. What I'd like to know is, if we are interested in another goalscorer, are we "all in" on Austin or is there a Plan B we don't know about? And if so, who? I've thought for some time Austin would happen. I still do. Parish is pretty canny and I don't think he'd publicly talk about a target he didn't think he could get.
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| Booted Eagle Bristol 24 Aug 15 11.13am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote laddo at 24 Aug 2015 9.51am
Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Aug 2015 9.41am
Quote laddo at 24 Aug 2015 8.13am
This is mental. Charlie Austin is a target man, as is Wickham, Murray and Chamakh (traditionally, although his role with us changed somewhat). He is absolutely nowhere near a similar player to Bamford. That kid is quick, like to get the ball deep and can actually play the number 10 role. If we were to get Austin, which I doubt seeing we got Wickham, then Murray will go.
Unless we move Murray/Gayle/Campbell on I just don't think this deal will happen. The Sunday papers lazily suggested it and now people are longing for it to happen. My gut says it won't. My gut also says he'd do very well at palace. Unfortunately it won't happen and I fear this new found optimism on potentially landing Austin only for him to go elsewhere will see this site explode in negativity, even though we've never been in for him since wickham arrived. Edited by laddo (24 Aug 2015 9.53am) Alternatively Spurs might try to tempt Yannick away. Their games this season have highlighted that they need a supplier for Kane. Sako has arrived and is a possible replacement. In terms of strikers if Austin arrives I can see Murray being moved on whilst Gayle retained.
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| laddo london 24 Aug 15 11.14am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Aug 2015 11.03am
Quote laddo at 24 Aug 2015 9.51am
Syd, I can't see Austin and Wickham together, they're too similar. But i agree about Austin being a goalscorer. He is the goal scoring target man all teams crave, Shearer-esque in terms of what a team thinks they're buying. Wickham 'potentially' is the same but needs 15-20 goals a season in him before he can be put on that shelf, hence the fact he cost 7m less than Austin, however he's five years younger so maybe his time will come. Unless we move Murray/Gayle/Campbell on I just don't think this deal will happen. The Sunday papers lazily suggested it and now people are longing for it to happen. My gut says it won't. My gut also says he'd do very well at palace. Unfortunately it won't happen and I fear this new found optimism on potentially landing Austin only for him to go elsewhere will see this site explode in negativity, even though we've never been in for him since wickham arrived. Edited by laddo (24 Aug 2015 9.53am) I don't think we'll see Wickham/Austin together barring occasionally, but there are match situations (say, you're 2-0 up with 15 minutes to go) where bringing on Jedi and Wickham in place of, say, Wilf and Austin would make sense. There are also some opponents where it would make sense to include a Wickham-type forward from the start. I think injury is obviously the prime concern with Austin but it is what it is. Either you're prepared to sign him or you're not. To be honest, I'm not sure it matters that much anyway as you're covered by an insurance policy although that obviously adds to the cost. I think it's pretty clear we want to offload Gayle or Murray (or both), particularly the former and I'd agree there's zero chance we sign Austin if that doesn't happen. But I think it will happen, quite likely both rather than just one. As deadline madness takes over these sorts of things tend to fall into place. What I'd like to know is, if we are interested in another goalscorer, are we "all in" on Austin or is there a Plan B we don't know about? And if so, who? I've thought for some time Austin would happen. I still do. Parish is pretty canny and I don't think he'd publicly talk about a target he didn't think he could get.
If we sold Glenn or Gayle or both and got Austin I'd take that but still think a pacey CB should be a priority as much as I rate the Delaney/Dann partnership. Edited by laddo (24 Aug 2015 11.16am)
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| pieman203 Hayes 24 Aug 15 11.45am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 We must be careful with Austin, rumour has it that although he has played the full season for QPR his knees are still a bit of a problem that is why no one has come up with asking price. To much of a risk.
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| Murray's the man round ear 24 Aug 15 12.00pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote JL85 at 24 Aug 2015 10.51am
Gone from 28/1 to Fav's over the weekend.
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| sydtheeagle England 24 Aug 15 1.07pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote pieman203 at 24 Aug 2015 11.45am
We must be careful with Austin, rumour has it that although he has played the full season for QPR his knees are still a bit of a problem that is why no one has come up with asking price. To much of a risk. It's not a rumour; it's an established fact. It's already caused one transfer to fall through. It doesn't mean he won't go on for years but it does, of course, make it more likely that at some point he may have a major breakdown. The bottom line is that this isn't really an issue. It's why you have insurance on contracts. Of course, the cost of insurance on Austin's contract increases the amount we'll have to pay for him in real terms as it will be higher than it would be to insure a fully healthy player but we know that already and you can assume that if we're interested in him we've thus taken it into account. The same is true with other clubs. Note that what Sullivan said last week is that West Ham weren't interested because they couldn't afford another Andy Carrol situation; not the fact of the injury in itself.
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Aug 2015 1.07pm
Quote pieman203 at 24 Aug 2015 11.45am
We must be careful with Austin, rumour has it that although he has played the full season for QPR his knees are still a bit of a problem that is why no one has come up with asking price. To much of a risk. It's not a rumour; it's an established fact. It's already caused one transfer to fall through. It doesn't mean he won't go on for years but it does, of course, make it more likely that at some point he may have a major breakdown. The bottom line is that this isn't really an issue. It's why you have insurance on contracts. Of course, the cost of insurance on Austin's contract increases the amount we'll have to pay for him in real terms as it will be higher than it would be to insure a fully healthy player but we know that already and you can assume that if we're interested in him we've thus taken it into account. The same is true with other clubs. Note that what Sullivan said last week is that West Ham weren't interested because they couldn't afford another Andy Carrol situation; not the fact of the injury in itself. I was the manager of the sports division of S.W.Taylor's Insurance Brokerage in the eighties with the main accounts being the then Football League and Football Association. Whilst insurance and the cover for players may have changed since my day I doubt the main area of cover would. There is no way, for any amount of premium, that they would insure Austin's (or any other players) pre-existing condition(s). I therefore believe if we purchased him we would be carrying the risk ourselves - that's one heck of a risk for a player who will cost close on 15m.
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| sydtheeagle England 24 Aug 15 2.19pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Charlie Austin (rumour)' by james03 Quote james03 at 24 Aug 2015 2.13pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Aug 2015 1.07pm
Quote pieman203 at 24 Aug 2015 11.45am
We must be careful with Austin, rumour has it that although he has played the full season for QPR his knees are still a bit of a problem that is why no one has come up with asking price. To much of a risk. It's not a rumour; it's an established fact. It's already caused one transfer to fall through. It doesn't mean he won't go on for years but it does, of course, make it more likely that at some point he may have a major breakdown. The bottom line is that this isn't really an issue. It's why you have insurance on contracts. Of course, the cost of insurance on Austin's contract increases the amount we'll have to pay for him in real terms as it will be higher than it would be to insure a fully healthy player but we know that already and you can assume that if we're interested in him we've thus taken it into account. The same is true with other clubs. Note that what Sullivan said last week is that West Ham weren't interested because they couldn't afford another Andy Carrol situation; not the fact of the injury in itself. I was the manager of the sports division of S.W.Taylor's Insurance Brokerage in the eighties with the main accounts being the then Football League and Football Association. Whilst insurance and the cover for players may have changed since my day I doubt the main area of cover would. There is no way, for any amount of premium, that they would insure Austin's (or any other players) pre-existing condition(s). I therefore believe if we purchased him we would be carrying the risk ourselves - that's one heck of a risk for a player who will cost close on 15m. The insurance market might not have changed but the Financial Services market has and the bottom line is that structured products will more or less always deliver the other side of any bet you want to make. So it may be a derivative rather than a traditional insurance policy but someone, somewhere will be interested in "insuring" the deal. Or that's my guess.
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