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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 09 May 15 12.02pm Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

I actually support the ECHR but can see the pitfalls to it. The fact that very few of the rights are non-derogable and therefore often have to be assessed against one another does create a lot of uncertainty and can impact upon other areas in an unpredictable manner.

My biggest concern about international law making are the powers that were accidentally given to Europe.

For instance, not wanting to agree internationally on tax laws left the ECJ to legislate on these issues through their power to uphold the fundamental freedoms e.g. of movement and establishment. Therefore, to uphold these freedoms the ECJ can establish case law which legislates on the issues no-one wanted to be legislated on in Europe without any say from politicians whatsoever. Elected politicians didn't want to discuss legislation together, so unelected judges impose laws.

The relationship between fundamental freedoms and other areas need to be seriously reconsidered because the ECJ have a lot of unelected power at present.

 


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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 09 May 15 12.07pm Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 09 May 2015 12.29am

Day one: [Link]


The most misleading article ever.

The budget is the same, it's just being spread across more people in the hope that more people can benefit from it. It's just looking at whether some people get too much from it and whether that is of detriment to people who receive nothing, thereby trying to discover the best middle ground between receiving enough and benefiting as many as possible.

The policy was announced before the election and all that was published yesterday was an impact assessment.

 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 09 May 15 12.58pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 08 May 2015 10.32pm

I don't think cuts are trivial.



First cuts are deep.

 

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View palace777's Profile palace777 Flag belfast 09 May 15 1.04pm Send a Private Message to palace777 Add palace777 as a friend

Quote chris123 at 09 May 2015 12.58pm

Quote nickgusset at 08 May 2015 10.32pm

I don't think cuts are trivial.



First cuts are deep.


baby I know

 

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legaleagle Flag 09 May 15 1.05pm

Quote ambrose7 at 09 May 2015 12.02pm

I actually support the ECHR but can see the pitfalls to it. The fact that very few of the rights are non-derogable and therefore often have to be assessed against one another does create a lot of uncertainty and can impact upon other areas in an unpredictable manner.

My biggest concern about international law making are the powers that were accidentally given to Europe.

For instance, not wanting to agree internationally on tax laws left the ECJ to legislate on these issues through their power to uphold the fundamental freedoms e.g. of movement and establishment. Therefore, to uphold these freedoms the ECJ can establish case law which legislates on the issues no-one wanted to be legislated on in Europe without any say from politicians whatsoever. Elected politicians didn't want to discuss legislation together, so unelected judges impose laws.

The relationship between fundamental freedoms and other areas need to be seriously reconsidered because the ECJ have a lot of unelected power at present.

There's always going to be an inherent tension between different rights,ie the right to freedom of expression by the press and the right to privacy of an individual.Its not easy and judges have to balance those things very regularly,depending on the particular circumstances of the matter at hand.

Even if we derogate from the ECHR and replace it with domestic legislation,a lot of things would still end up being interpreted and balanced by "unelected" Judges here.

 

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derben Flag 09 May 15 1.21pm

Quote legaleagle at 09 May 2015 1.05pm

Quote ambrose7 at 09 May 2015 12.02pm

I actually support the ECHR but can see the pitfalls to it. The fact that very few of the rights are non-derogable and therefore often have to be assessed against one another does create a lot of uncertainty and can impact upon other areas in an unpredictable manner.

My biggest concern about international law making are the powers that were accidentally given to Europe.

For instance, not wanting to agree internationally on tax laws left the ECJ to legislate on these issues through their power to uphold the fundamental freedoms e.g. of movement and establishment. Therefore, to uphold these freedoms the ECJ can establish case law which legislates on the issues no-one wanted to be legislated on in Europe without any say from politicians whatsoever. Elected politicians didn't want to discuss legislation together, so unelected judges impose laws.

The relationship between fundamental freedoms and other areas need to be seriously reconsidered because the ECJ have a lot of unelected power at present.

There's always going to be an inherent tension between different rights,ie the right to freedom of expression by the press and the right to privacy of an individual.Its not easy and judges have to balance those things very regularly,depending on the particular circumstances of the matter at hand.

Even if we derogate from the ECHR and replace it with domestic legislation,a lot of things would still end up being interpreted and balanced by "unelected" Judges here.

Far better that the UK judiciary decides matters in the UK. Again, all that is being asked is that we pass our own laws and have our own judiciary decide on matters. Why is this too much to ask.

 

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imbored Flag UK 09 May 15 4.25pm

Legislation being brought forward to legalise fox hunting again I see.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 09 May 15 4.33pm

Quote imbored at 09 May 2015 4.25pm

Legislation being brought forward to legalise fox hunting again I see.

all the important stuff then.

 


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View Scucca's Profile Scucca Flag Ely 09 May 15 4.41pm Send a Private Message to Scucca Add Scucca as a friend

The Human Rights act was a brilliant idea. The problem is that; as they say; 'The road to Hell is paved with good intentions'.
It's now being used by criminals for purposes for which it wasn't intended. In my book paedophiles, rapists and murderers would lose some of their rights. Rights are earned and go hand in hand with responsibilities. Break those responsibilities and you lose your rights!

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 May 15 10.31pm

Quote palace777 at 09 May 2015 1.04pm

Quote chris123 at 09 May 2015 12.58pm

Quote nickgusset at 08 May 2015 10.32pm

I don't think cuts are trivial.



First cuts are deep.


baby I know


You've made a rod for your own back there.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 May 15 10.33pm

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Is this only the beginning?

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 May 15 10.46pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 09 May 2015 10.33pm

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Is this only the beginning?


The usual suspects, students, lefties and other Itinerant f*** wits along with a smattering of out of work actors & rent-a-mob hooligans........

 


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