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Stuk Top half 22 May 15 4.10pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2015 2.58pm Quote Pussay Patrol at 15 May 2015 2.04pm It's also to ensure strikes are no longer called for frivolous reasons like protecting a train driver who was pissed while driving a train I'm sure that's exactly what the Conservatives agenda in going after the Unions is, making sure they don't do things like that. Also the strike was over the use of only a breathaliser to determine whether someone was drunk, without corroborating evidence (urine sample or blood test). Breathalisers can produce false positive results in certain situations - Which is why the police don't rely entirely on just a breath test .(they take a secondary sample to corroborate evidence in accordance with legal advice. And I agree, before dismissing someone for an offence its best to be certain. I'd probably fail a drug test as my medication will give a false positive result in many tests for MDMA as it is a serotonin Specific Reuptake Inhibitor. I'd object to being fired without a reliable second measure to eliminate a false positive. But don't let the facts get in the way. Not anymore. A DfT spokesman said: "We have strengthened enforcement by removing the automatic right for drivers who fail a breathalyser test to demand a blood or urine test. This has denied people the chance to sober up while waiting for the test to be taken. Edited by Stuk (22 May 2015 4.11pm) Optimistic as ever
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Top half 22 May 15 4.10pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2015 2.58pm

Quote Pussay Patrol at 15 May 2015 2.04pm

It's also to ensure strikes are no longer called for frivolous reasons like protecting a train driver who was pissed while driving a train

I'm sure that's exactly what the Conservatives agenda in going after the Unions is, making sure they don't do things like that.

Also the strike was over the use of only a breathaliser to determine whether someone was drunk, without corroborating evidence (urine sample or blood test). Breathalisers can produce false positive results in certain situations - Which is why the police don't rely entirely on just a breath test .(they take a secondary sample to corroborate evidence in accordance with legal advice.

And I agree, before dismissing someone for an offence its best to be certain. I'd probably fail a drug test as my medication will give a false positive result in many tests for MDMA as it is a serotonin Specific Reuptake Inhibitor.

I'd object to being fired without a reliable second measure to eliminate a false positive.

But don't let the facts get in the way.

Not anymore.

A DfT spokesman said: "We have strengthened enforcement by removing the automatic right for drivers who fail a breathalyser test to demand a blood or urine test. This has denied people the chance to sober up while waiting for the test to be taken.

Edited by Stuk (22 May 2015 4.11pm)

Optimistic as ever

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dynamicdick Dormansland 22 May 15 8.53pm
Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2015 6.01pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 5.47pm Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2015 5.31pm Make it impossible to strike, then hit people with cuts to work rights. Cunds Impossible? Why impossible? 50% of those eligible to vote must vote, and 40% of those eligible to vote must vote for the strike. So if the workforce numbered a 100, 50 of them must vote and 40 of those must vote to strike. So you could still have your strike although 60% do not want it or have no opinion. Hardly communist-block suppression of union rights is it. Not Communist block suppression. No. But still suppression. We already have among the harshest anti union laws in the western world as it is. Edited by nickgusset (14 May 2015 6.03pm) Which will thankfully get far tougher........ Bring back Brolin
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Make it impossible to strike, then hit people with cuts to work rights.

Cunds

Impossible? Why impossible?

50% of those eligible to vote must vote, and 40% of those eligible to vote must vote for the strike.
So if the workforce numbered a 100, 50 of them must vote and 40 of those must vote to strike. So you could still have your strike although 60% do not want it or have no opinion.

Hardly communist-block suppression of union rights is it.

Not Communist block suppression. No. But still suppression. We already have among the harshest anti union laws in the western world as it is.

Edited by nickgusset (14 May 2015 6.03pm)

Which will thankfully get far tougher........

Bring back Brolin

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TUX redhill 22 May 15 9.06pm
Quote dynamicdick at 22 May 2015 8.53pm Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2015 6.01pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 5.47pm Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2015 5.31pm Make it impossible to strike, then hit people with cuts to work rights. Cunds Impossible? Why impossible? 50% of those eligible to vote must vote, and 40% of those eligible to vote must vote for the strike. So if the workforce numbered a 100, 50 of them must vote and 40 of those must vote to strike. So you could still have your strike although 60% do not want it or have no opinion. Hardly communist-block suppression of union rights is it. Not Communist block suppression. No. But still suppression. We already have among the harshest anti union laws in the western world as it is. Edited by nickgusset (14 May 2015 6.03pm) Which will thankfully get far tougher........ Someone wants to change the world because his train didn't turn up? What will you do when they come for you?
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Quote dynamicdick at 22 May 2015 8.53pm

Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2015 6.01pm

Quote derben at 14 May 2015 5.47pm

Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2015 5.31pm

Make it impossible to strike, then hit people with cuts to work rights.

Cunds

Impossible? Why impossible?

Hardly communist-block suppression of union rights is it.

Not Communist block suppression. No. But still suppression. We already have among the harshest anti union laws in the western world as it is.

Edited by nickgusset (14 May 2015 6.03pm)

Which will thankfully get far tougher........

Someone wants to change the world because his train didn't turn up?
What will you do when they come for you?

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dynamicdick Dormansland 22 May 15 9.13pm
Quote TUX at 22 May 2015 9.06pm Quote dynamicdick at 22 May 2015 8.53pm Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2015 6.01pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 5.47pm Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2015 5.31pm Make it impossible to strike, then hit people with cuts to work rights. Cunds Impossible? Why impossible? 50% of those eligible to vote must vote, and 40% of those eligible to vote must vote for the strike. So if the workforce numbered a 100, 50 of them must vote and 40 of those must vote to strike. So you could still have your strike although 60% do not want it or have no opinion. Hardly communist-block suppression of union rights is it. Not Communist block suppression. No. But still suppression. We already have among the harshest anti union laws in the western world as it is. Edited by nickgusset (14 May 2015 6.03pm) Which will thankfully get far tougher........ Someone wants to change the world because his train didn't turn up? What will you do when they come for you? Don't travel by train and please explain your second line? Bring back Brolin
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Dormansland 22 May 15 9.13pm

Quote TUX at 22 May 2015 9.06pm

Quote dynamicdick at 22 May 2015 8.53pm

Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2015 6.01pm

Quote derben at 14 May 2015 5.47pm

Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2015 5.31pm

Make it impossible to strike, then hit people with cuts to work rights.

Cunds

Impossible? Why impossible?

Hardly communist-block suppression of union rights is it.

Not Communist block suppression. No. But still suppression. We already have among the harshest anti union laws in the western world as it is.