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johnfirewall 23 Jul 15 12.31pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jul 2015 12.03pm I'd be surprised if people would object to paying more taxation for a better NHS service. Socially speaking Education and Health Services are key infrastructure services that almost everyone will have used or need at some point. The trouble is historically you've either voted for chucking money at the NHS and welfare as a package, or against it. It's a shame that this was still the belief on the eve of the election despite the Tories' injection an extra 8bn a year. They just need to get something for their money now. Labour's PPP failed. Does anyone have figures on the performance of the outsourced services such as scans? What else is private.? Not sure what this uproar over Hunt's 24h NHS comments is about either. We need more people across the organisation working weekends. Do that many work 60 hour weeks? Has anyone seen a doctor outside of 9-5 other than in A&E? I don't understand how junior doctors claim to earn less than a Starbucks manager when overtime pay is quite generous for nurses. Unless of course you're contracted for a 60 hour week which won't be the case. Either way, you could pay them with the 8 bil and it still wouldn't guarantee a service.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jul 2015 12.03pm

I'd be surprised if people would object to paying more taxation for a better NHS service. Socially speaking Education and Health Services are key infrastructure services that almost everyone will have used or need at some point.

The trouble is historically you've either voted for chucking money at the NHS and welfare as a package, or against it.

It's a shame that this was still the belief on the eve of the election despite the Tories' injection an extra 8bn a year. They just need to get something for their money now.

Labour's PPP failed. Does anyone have figures on the performance of the outsourced services such as scans? What else is private.?

Not sure what this uproar over Hunt's 24h NHS comments is about either. We need more people across the organisation working weekends. Do that many work 60 hour weeks? Has anyone seen a doctor outside of 9-5 other than in A&E? I don't understand how junior doctors claim to earn less than a Starbucks manager when overtime pay is quite generous for nurses. Unless of course you're contracted for a 60 hour week which won't be the case. Either way, you could pay them with the 8 bil and it still wouldn't guarantee a service.

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nairb75 Baltimore 23 Jul 15 1.44pm
Quote npn at 23 Jul 2015 7.31am Quote nairb75 at 23 Jul 2015 4.12am you have a taste for privitization? my 4 yo son had pain in his ear after vacation. wifey got swimmer's ear so figured it was the same thing. cost: office visit with doctor = ear drops = my insurance is about average over here. it has a 00 deductible, which we haven't met yet. so i paid 7 for a 4 yo's mild ear infection. i can give any example you want. keep pining for privitizaition- it's great!!! Is that a standard US policy? I'm with AXA PPP, and I pay 20% of all bills up to an annual maximum of (from memory) �350, which just means that in years where you have to have significant work done (I've had one op, and one series of neurological tests in recent history) I just take care of all those nagging issues (un-naturally large p****, etc) in the same year, knowing it'll be free. the simple answer is: there is no standard US policy. it's all over the map. many (not all) employers and plans overall have gone to a high deductible model. my company also offers a hsa (health savings account), which is a non-taxed contribution. basically a flexible spending account to be used for health care costs. so my family plan deductible is $2600 and my employer puts $1300 into the account. after my deductible is met, i pay 20% of costs up to some high level - like $8k or something like that at which the plan covers 100%. then we have the monthly premiums. mine is about $400/month. most are much more expensive. we're seeing more typical monthly premiums in the $800-1000/month i've been getting treatment for an odd malady as well - been dx with insanely handsome looks, which is quite debilitating. my treatments are quite expensive to bring me down a notch so you can see how these expensive plans really hurt the family's income.
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Baltimore 23 Jul 15 1.44pm

Quote npn at 23 Jul 2015 7.31am

Quote nairb75 at 23 Jul 2015 4.12am

you have a taste for privitization?

my 4 yo son had pain in his ear after vacation. wifey got swimmer's ear so figured it was the same thing.

cost:

office visit with doctor =
ear drops =

my insurance is about average over here. it has a 00 deductible, which we haven't met yet. so i paid 7 for a 4 yo's mild ear infection.

i can give any example you want. keep pining for privitizaition- it's great!!!

Is that a standard US policy? I'm with AXA PPP, and I pay 20% of all bills up to an annual maximum of (from memory) �350, which just means that in years where you have to have significant work done (I've had one op, and one series of neurological tests in recent history) I just take care of all those nagging issues (un-naturally large p****, etc) in the same year, knowing it'll be free.

the simple answer is: there is no standard US policy. it's all over the map.
many (not all) employers and plans overall have gone to a high deductible model. my company also offers a hsa (health savings account), which is a non-taxed contribution. basically a flexible spending account to be used for health care costs. so my family plan deductible is $2600 and my employer puts $1300 into the account. after my deductible is met, i pay 20% of costs up to some high level - like $8k or something like that at which the plan covers 100%.

then we have the monthly premiums. mine is about $400/month. most are much more expensive. we're seeing more typical monthly premiums in the $800-1000/month

i've been getting treatment for an odd malady as well - been dx with insanely handsome looks, which is quite debilitating. my treatments are quite expensive to bring me down a notch so you can see how these expensive plans really hurt the family's income.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Jul 15 1.59pm
Quote johnfirewall at 23 Jul 2015 12.31pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jul 2015 12.03pm I'd be surprised if people would object to paying more taxation for a better NHS service. Socially speaking Education and Health Services are key infrastructure services that almost everyone will have used or need at some point. The trouble is historically you've either voted for chucking money at the NHS and welfare as a package, or against it. It's a shame that this was still the belief on the eve of the election despite the Tories' injection an extra 8bn a year. They just need to get something for their money now. Labour's PPP failed. Does anyone have figures on the performance of the outsourced services such as scans? What else is private.? Not sure what this uproar over Hunt's 24h NHS comments is about either. We need more people across the organisation working weekends. Do that many work 60 hour weeks? Has anyone seen a doctor outside of 9-5 other than in A&E? I don't understand how junior doctors claim to earn less than a Starbucks manager when overtime pay is quite generous for nurses. Unless of course you're contracted for a 60 hour week which won't be the case. Either way, you could pay them with the 8 bil and it still wouldn't guarantee a service. I like the idea of a 24hr NHS, as it seems rather absurd for GP surgeries to be open 5 days a week mostly during working hours. Mostly outside of core hours Doctors can be found in Hospital wards and A&E as well as on call, but there is definitely less need for some specialists. But its important as well to remember that maybe most doctors and GPs don't want to work weekends, like most people, and instead would prefer to spend them with their family and friends. Hunt's real problem is a lack of incentive to get people to radically change their lives. Junior doctors start on 22k in year one, rising to 28k in year 2, then trainee specialists go to 30-47. I don't think you get overtime, but there is an supplement depending on your working hours. So it might be true of a doctor in year 1 and year 2 that they earn less than a Starbucks Manager, when you consider their hours. But then a Starbucks Manager won't be looking at becoming a GP, Specialist or Consultant. The money really takes off if your a consultant, specialist or GP. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote johnfirewall at 23 Jul 2015 12.31pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jul 2015 12.03pm

The trouble is historically you've either voted for chucking money at the NHS and welfare as a package, or against it.

It's a shame that this was still the belief on the eve of the election despite the Tories' injection an extra 8bn a year. They just need to get something for their money now.

Labour's PPP failed. Does anyone have figures on the performance of the outsourced services such as scans? What else is private.?

I like the idea of a 24hr NHS, as it seems rather absurd for GP surgeries to be open 5 days a week mostly during working hours.

Mostly outside of core hours Doctors can be found in Hospital wards and A&E as well as on call, but there is definitely less need for some specialists.

But its important as well to remember that maybe most doctors and GPs don't want to work weekends, like most people, and instead would prefer to spend them with their family and friends. Hunt's real problem is a lack of incentive to get people to radically change their lives.

Junior doctors start on 22k in year one, rising to 28k in year 2, then trainee specialists go to 30-47. I don't think you get overtime, but there is an supplement depending on your working hours.

So it might be true of a doctor in year 1 and year 2 that they earn less than a Starbucks Manager, when you consider their hours. But then a Starbucks Manager won't be looking at becoming a GP, Specialist or Consultant.

The money really takes off if your a consultant, specialist or GP.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 23 Jul 15 5.47pm
Quote Pawson Palace at 19 May 2015 7.51pm I'll stick to my free private health insurance thanks. Wont help you if you are actually sick.
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Sedlescombe 23 Jul 15 5.47pm

Quote Pawson Palace at 19 May 2015 7.51pm

I'll stick to my free private health insurance thanks.

Wont help you if you are actually sick.

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