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derben Flag 30 May 15 10.08am


Who do you think was the most ineffectual US Presidents since World War II? Top three for me are:

Gerald Ford
Jimmy Carter
Barack Obama

 

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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 30 May 15 10.55am

Jimmy Carter was unlucky. He was the last President before Obama who you might credit with being an intellectual heavy weight and his advisory roles since he was in office seem to support that.

In general, I think it is amazing that a US President gets any results at all. The difficulty in getting a domestic programme through means that they all usually turn to foreign affairs to make their name. The office has too many hats. They have to be head of government, ceremonial head of state, head of the armed forces. They should make Obama King - he would be good at that.

 


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Steptoe Flag 30 May 15 11.03am

With another Bush - Clinton election heading our way we'll have more contenders for the mantle soon.

 

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I think managing to get re-elected, postwar or otherwise, automatically disqualifies any US President from the 'ineffectual' category. Eight years in office and you're bound to leave a mark, even if it's only in the Supreme Court appointments you've pushed through.

So I'd say Ford, post-WWII. Jimmy couldn't get much done, but at least he got the Department of Education started and some important treaties signed. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything that Ford managed to accomplish during his half a term other than keeping Nixon out of jail.

 

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Quote derben at 30 May 2015 10.08am


Who do you think was the most ineffectual US Presidents since World War II? Top three for me are:

Gerald Ford
Jimmy Carter
Barack Obama


Surely Obama has been one of the most effective. He managed to push through a national health service despite an economy reeling the credit crunch and a congress that was hell bent on stopping him. Ranks alongside JFK as the best ever for me

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 May 15 4.34pm

Trueman
George W Bush
Johnson

 


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How has the cretin that was Bush Jr. not made your list?

Was on watch during 9/11, then launched two ineffectual wars - one of which was based on outright lies and has left the Middle East in arguably worse shape than previously - quite a feat by any standards.

Edited by Kosowski (30 May 2015 4.40pm)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 May 15 4.58pm

Quote Kosowski at 30 May 2015 4.39pm

How has the cretin that was Bush Jr. not made your list?

Was on watch during 9/11, then launched two ineffectual wars - one of which was based on outright lies and has left the Middle East in arguably worse shape than previously - quite a feat by any standards.

Edited by Kosowski (30 May 2015 4.40pm)

Derban likes to provoke controversy. Although his father, G W Bush, probably remains one of the most overlooked presidents in US History.

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 May 2015 4.34pm

Trueman
George W Bush
Johnson


OK well, Trueman ordered the only two uses of atomic weapons so I suppose it depends on which side of history an individual comes down on.

But it was under Johnson that

1) the Voting Rights Act was brought in which enabled tens of millions of African Amercans to vote for the first time since slavery was abolished about 100 years before;

2) he was also responsible for Gun Control legislation which our American cousins could sorely do with now, instead of heading back towards the Wild West under the intereference by the gun control lobby namely the NRA

3) He signed into power Medicare, which is about as close as the Americans will ever get to the NHS without "Obama-care",

4) Admittedly on the negative side he did up the ante in Vietnam via the Gulf of Tonkin Incident.

Edited by Dweeb (30 May 2015 5.12pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 30 May 15 5.17pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 May 2015 4.58pm

Quote Kosowski at 30 May 2015 4.39pm

How has the cretin that was Bush Jr. not made your list?

Was on watch during 9/11, then launched two ineffectual wars - one of which was based on outright lies and has left the Middle East in arguably worse shape than previously - quite a feat by any standards.

Edited by Kosowski (30 May 2015 4.40pm)

Derban likes to provoke controversy. Although his father, G W Bush, probably remains one of the most overlooked presidents in US History.


Derben is G W Bush's son!?

 

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 May 2015 4.58pm

Quote Kosowski at 30 May 2015 4.39pm

How has the cretin that was Bush Jr. not made your list?

Was on watch during 9/11, then launched two ineffectual wars - one of which was based on outright lies and has left the Middle East in arguably worse shape than previously - quite a feat by any standards.

Edited by Kosowski (30 May 2015 4.40pm)

Derban likes to provoke controversy. Although his father, G W Bush, probably remains one of the most overlooked presidents in US History.

The trouble is, of course, that Bush Senior was invovled with the 1st Gulf war as President and was the one who ordered "Storming Norman" not to go into Baghdad. That directly led to the death of thousands of Marsh Arabs, the moreso when he didn't use the CIA (of which he had previously been head) to help them and equip them to fight back. Ulitmately it became unfinished family business under "Dubya" to which Blair managed to the UK dragged into.

 


Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again

Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013

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Nixon
Reagan
Bush jnr.

 


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