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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Jun 15 12.32pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Jun 2015 12.00pm

I'm having a Pol Pot Noodle for lunch....

The diet version has Year Zero calories


 


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derben Flag 12 Jun 15 12.33pm

Quote DanH at 12 Jun 2015 9.28am

Yes, well done. Use a human tragedy for petty political point scoring on a football message board.

Congratulations, you've won Friday.

Ok for the likes of Nick to do it constantly though?


Edited by derben (12 Jun 2015 12.36pm)

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Jun 15 12.33pm

Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 11.57am

Seriously guys. Sometimes I wonder if scoring points against the "other side" is more important than your principles.

This sort of Internet "sport" is the new Battleships I suppose.

Is that a point scored?


 


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derben Flag 12 Jun 15 12.34pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Jun 2015 11.48am

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Jun 2015 11.37am

Socialism doesn't work......No pun intended.

All systems are failures to a greater or lesser extent.....The profit motive of capitalism works but it has to be regulated to avoid its inherent excess and unfairness.

Any system that insulates those with money from losing it isn't a meritocracy and that's what we have now.

We are back to the complete 'rule by elites'.....Except now their are financial instead of aristocracy....Now they don't have the easy to mock accents.

But they are ruling all the same.

One could argue that it does work, in that it provides the means by which those regulations and inhibitors of capitalism have come about, and the basis on which that fairness stems. By and large, capitalism has only really proceeded on the basis of compromises made with socialism (capitalism is very good at co-opting models of opposition and criticism into it).

The problem with socialism tends to be it sees capitalist systems as redundant and devoid of value, which is untrue, capitalism has many benefits notably in the capacity to determine value of resources in relation.

Of course its worth noting that in countries where socialism has occurred, it has done so because of the failure of capitalism in the first place. The failure of Russian capitalism to deal with the problems of Russia ultimately led to the Revolutions in Russia.


Yes, one could argue it, but a look at history shows that it always fails.

 

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derben Flag 12 Jun 15 1.35pm

The point is, you would think that the likes of tux, nick and legal, would surely think that the Socialist policies of the Khmer Rouge are just what was needed, and is indeed needed here now.

Their Socialist regime stated that Cambodia should be a classless society of "perfect harmony" and that private ownership was "the source of egoist feelings and consequently social injustices." (Could be tux, nick or legal speaking). They made Cambodia a cashless nation; the government confiscated all currency. Shops closed, and workers received their pay in the form of food rations, because there was no money in circulation. The economic life described by foreign diplomats, by Western visitors, and by Cambodian refugees in Thai, state that Phnom Penh became a ghost town of only about 10,000 people. There were no shops, post offices, telephones, or telegraph services. Frequent shortages of water and of electricity occurred in all urban areas.

Yet this total state control of absolutely everything is just what tux, nick and legal pine after. Surely their policies should have ushered in a glorious, egalitarian new age?

I don't know if they had an NHS, but as they arrested, tortured and eventually killed all professionals and intellectuals, I guess there must have been a shortage of doctors. Almost everyone with an education, people who understood a foreign language and even people who required glasses (which, according to the regime, meant that they spent too much time reading books instead of working) were purged.

But of course, we will now be told it was all the fault of the USA and the wicked Capitalists. If it wasn't for them, Comrade Pol Pot, would have built a utopia; after all his economic strategy was Socialist to the core.

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legaleagle Flag 12 Jun 15 2.02pm

Quote derben at 12 Jun 2015 1.35pm

The point is, you would think that the likes of tux, nick and legal, would surely think that the Socialist policies of the Khmer Rouge are just what was needed, and is indeed needed here now.

Their Socialist regime stated that Cambodia should be a classless society of "perfect harmony" and that private ownership was "the source of egoist feelings and consequently social injustices." (Could be tux, nick or legal speaking). They made Cambodia a cashless nation; the government confiscated all currency. Shops closed, and workers received their pay in the form of food rations, because there was no money in circulation. The economic life described by foreign diplomats, by Western visitors, and by Cambodian refugees in Thai, state that Phnom Penh became a ghost town of only about 10,000 people. There were no shops, post offices, telephones, or telegraph services. Frequent shortages of water and of electricity occurred in all urban areas.

Yet this total state control of absolutely everything is just what tux, nick and legal pine after. Surely their policies should have ushered in a glorious, egalitarian new age?

I don't know if they had an NHS, but as they arrested, tortured and eventually killed all professionals and intellectuals, I guess there must have been a shortage of doctors. Almost everyone with an education, people who understood a foreign language and even people who required glasses (which, according to the regime, meant that they spent too much time reading books instead of working) were purged.

But of course, we will now be told it was all the fault of the USA and the wicked Capitalists. If it wasn't for them, Comrade Pol Pot, would have built a utopia; after all his economic strategy was Socialist to the core.

Edited by derben (12 Jun 2015 1.37pm)


Blimey. That's an olympian level of "bonkerness".

Quite apart from the fact that TUX, N Gusset and I do not share identical views (other than firmly not agreeing with your's,I suspect ) ,your point is about as rational as suggesting that, since your views (leave where you live if people of a different religion or ethnicity,or race or move in),placing you as a "rightist" ,means you should surely be an admirer of Hitler and his regime and all their works and actions.

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derben Flag 12 Jun 15 2.13pm

Quote legaleagle at 12 Jun 2015 2.02pm

Quote derben at 12 Jun 2015 1.35pm

The point is, you would think that the likes of tux, nick and legal, would surely think that the Socialist policies of the Khmer Rouge are just what was needed, and is indeed needed here now.

Their Socialist regime stated that Cambodia should be a classless society of "perfect harmony" and that private ownership was "the source of egoist feelings and consequently social injustices." (Could be tux, nick or legal speaking). They made Cambodia a cashless nation; the government confiscated all currency. Shops closed, and workers received their pay in the form of food rations, because there was no money in circulation. The economic life described by foreign diplomats, by Western visitors, and by Cambodian refugees in Thai, state that Phnom Penh became a ghost town of only about 10,000 people. There were no shops, post offices, telephones, or telegraph services. Frequent shortages of water and of electricity occurred in all urban areas.

Yet this total state control of absolutely everything is just what tux, nick and legal pine after. Surely their policies should have ushered in a glorious, egalitarian new age?

I don't know if they had an NHS, but as they arrested, tortured and eventually killed all professionals and intellectuals, I guess there must have been a shortage of doctors. Almost everyone with an education, people who understood a foreign language and even people who required glasses (which, according to the regime, meant that they spent too much time reading books instead of working) were purged.

But of course, we will now be told it was all the fault of the USA and the wicked Capitalists. If it wasn't for them, Comrade Pol Pot, would have built a utopia; after all his economic strategy was Socialist to the core.

Edited by derben (12 Jun 2015 1.37pm)


Blimey. Thats an olympian level of "bonkerness".

Actually,I agree (shock horror!) with what the Judge posted.Do you Derben?

Absolutely, sums up nick very well.

So you don't agree that we should be a classless society and that private ownership is a source of social injustices?

 

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legaleagle Flag 12 Jun 15 2.16pm

If you'd ever actually read my prior posts, you'd know I'm a good old Attlee-style social democrat, but don't let that stand in your way,my blinkered friend

Off now

 

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derben Flag 12 Jun 15 2.36pm

Quote legaleagle at 12 Jun 2015 2.16pm

If you'd ever actually read my prior posts, you'd know I'm a good old Attlee-style social democrat, but don't let that stand in your way,my blinkered friend

Off now

I'm a great admirer of Attlee, and Ernie Bevin. They tried to improve the lives of ordinary British working people, unlike the left of today (much of which those two would be aghast at).

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Jun 15 3.05pm

Quote derben at 12 Jun 2015 1.35pm

The point is, you would think that the likes of tux, nick and legal, would surely think that the Socialist policies of the Khmer Rouge are just what was needed, and is indeed needed here now.

Their Socialist regime stated that Cambodia should be a classless society of "perfect harmony" and that private ownership was "the source of egoist feelings and consequently social injustices." (Could be tux, nick or legal speaking). They made Cambodia a cashless nation; the government confiscated all currency. Shops closed, and workers received their pay in the form of food rations, because there was no money in circulation. The economic life described by foreign diplomats, by Western visitors, and by Cambodian refugees in Thai, state that Phnom Penh became a ghost town of only about 10,000 people. There were no shops, post offices, telephones, or telegraph services. Frequent shortages of water and of electricity occurred in all urban areas.

Yet this total state control of absolutely everything is just what tux, nick and legal pine after. Surely their policies should have ushered in a glorious, egalitarian new age?

I don't know if they had an NHS, but as they arrested, tortured and eventually killed all professionals and intellectuals, I guess there must have been a shortage of doctors. Almost everyone with an education, people who understood a foreign language and even people who required glasses (which, according to the regime, meant that they spent too much time reading books instead of working) were purged.

But of course, we will now be told it was all the fault of the USA and the wicked Capitalists. If it wasn't for them, Comrade Pol Pot, would have built a utopia; after all his economic strategy was Socialist to the core.

Edited by derben (12 Jun 2015 1.37pm)

No it was the Khemer Rouge that did that, its just that after Communist Vietnam invaded and liberated the country from the tyranny of the Khemer Rouge that the US seemed to be keen to support them, despite the news coming out of Cambodia at the time.

China also were big supporters of the Khemer Rouge.


 


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derben Flag 12 Jun 15 3.07pm

Quote derben at 12 Jun 2015 12.32pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Jun 2015 9.49am

Quote derben at 12 Jun 2015 8.11am

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"Better to kill an innocent by mistake than spare an enemy by mistake." (Comrade Pol Pot)

And which country acted to liberate Cambodia from Pol Pot? Wasn't it the US that ensured that a representative of the Khmer Rouge sat on the UN for Cambodia until 1993. The US in the 80s also pressured Thailand into providing safe haven for Khmer Rouge guerillas as a 'national liberation' movement. Finally the CIA was equipping the KPNLF and ANS, allies of the Khmer Rouge, knowing full well that they were in turn selling those arms onto the Khmer Rouge guerillas.


Thought it would all be the wicked USA's fault, yet again.

Jamies's posts always warrant close attention and have looked into this further and was shocked at the US support of Pol Pot after he fell from power, 'my enemy's enemy etc'. No excuse for them on this. However, I was around at the time of the Khmer Rouge and many on the left supported them as anti-imperialists, and indeed as Socialists.

 

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TheJudge Flag 12 Jun 15 3.41pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Jun 2015 12.33pm

Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 11.57am

Seriously guys. Sometimes I wonder if scoring points against the "other side" is more important than your principles.

This sort of Internet "sport" is the new Battleships I suppose.

Is that a point scored?


Doh !

 

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