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Because you may have thought the woman was arrested for a "racist" offence because of the headings in some of the press coverage.She wasn't.The heading in some press coverage was a reference to the man,whose separate arrest was covered in the same stories.

She was arrested I would have thought for yelling in a "breach of the peace" situation at people quietly going about their business.I suspect the offence was the yelling in a manner likely to cause a breach of the peace at people quietly going about their business.Not the words "go back home".

Edited by legaleagle (12 Jun 2015 11.01pm)

She was actually charged with a, fashionable, 'racially aggravated' public order offence. If an 85-year-old woman had been arrested and handcuffed at one of the 'anti-austerity' rent-a-mob gatherings, image the outcry from the likes of you, imagine the histrionics of nick, the accusations of fascist police-state etc etc. It is the usual lib/left double standards and hypocrisy.


Edited by derben (13 Jun 2015 9.38am)


You are right.It wasn't breach of the peace.She was charged with harassment, And yes,racially aggravated.They could have done her for breach of the peace or plain harassment. That type of thing in the high street would render you liable to arrest whether it was 2015 or 1955.Police asked her to stop three times.She wasn't only shouting "go back home" but general abuse also it appears.

She pleaded guilty.She got a 6 month conditional discharge.

Hardly something she should be proud of.

Police may have been OTT about manner of arrest.We weren't there.If they were, doesn't make the law invalid or her conduct anything to applaud..

You seem to think she did nothing wrong.So,lets agree to disagree.

I agree, nothing to be proud of. But she was still a victim of politically biased policing. If on a 'peoples' demo, yelling "Tory scum" or "what do we want", "a peoples' revolution", "when do we want it?", "NOW!", she would not have been arrested. Similarly if she was at the football match shouting "go home you bums" and 'general abuse', she would not have been arrested. She was handcuffed and arrested because she was making her comments to a group of Muslims.


She was arrested because she was behaving wrongly.If a muslim person had randomly run up and started abusing her (and she'd been quietly going about her business),they'd have likely been arrested for harassment or conduct likely to cause a breach of the peace.Like I said,she could have been charged under more than one law.

You think so? Muslims have been preaching death to the west on the streets of Britain without hindrance.


Back this claim up then. When you say muslims are preaching death (and no doubt there have been instances), how many roughly?
If you know about it, why not report it.
Or are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored?


Don't act like an idiot Nick, you are far from stupid.
You know for years and years it went on unchecked,because we did not want to "upset the Muslim community".
In just the same way the Muslim grooming gangs went unchecked,and that has been admitted that was the reason it went on so long.
Now I don't think all Muslims are terrorists before you come out with that old chestnut.
Just lets stop all this they can do no wrong attitude.

Thanks elgrande, saved me the trouble of posting a similar answer.

But in response to nicks' silly questions:
"how many roughly": between 1 and 126,632 (roughly).
"why not report it": afraid of being arrested for offending Muslims.
"are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored": Yes.


Edited by derben (13 Jun 2015 2.12pm)

In the same way the paedophilia at the heart of government and the 'echelons' of British society has gone unchecked. Do we not want to upset them either?

And before you accuse me of it, I'm not defending the rights of groomers whatever their background. Nor am I defending the 'death preachers'.
But like the person who graffitied on the cenotaph during a recent demo/protest, these groups you're referring to are a tiny tiny minority. Yes they are all dickheads on that there is no doubt.


Of course I understand that you don't think all muslims are terrorists, you're jumping to conclusions there. However the word is used as a form of abuse towards ordinary peace abiding muslims. The cases of Islamophobia have risen sharply in recent years. Teachers I've spoken to at conference have been spat on and called terrorists in the past - you can't deny it doesn't happen.

Which brings us back to what should be acceptable or not.

 

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derben Flag 13 Jun 15 2.29pm

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Because you may have thought the woman was arrested for a "racist" offence because of the headings in some of the press coverage.She wasn't.The heading in some press coverage was a reference to the man,whose separate arrest was covered in the same stories.

She was arrested I would have thought for yelling in a "breach of the peace" situation at people quietly going about their business.I suspect the offence was the yelling in a manner likely to cause a breach of the peace at people quietly going about their business.Not the words "go back home".

Edited by legaleagle (12 Jun 2015 11.01pm)

She was actually charged with a, fashionable, 'racially aggravated' public order offence. If an 85-year-old woman had been arrested and handcuffed at one of the 'anti-austerity' rent-a-mob gatherings, image the outcry from the likes of you, imagine the histrionics of nick, the accusations of fascist police-state etc etc. It is the usual lib/left double standards and hypocrisy.


Edited by derben (13 Jun 2015 9.38am)


You are right.It wasn't breach of the peace.She was charged with harassment, And yes,racially aggravated.They could have done her for breach of the peace or plain harassment. That type of thing in the high street would render you liable to arrest whether it was 2015 or 1955.Police asked her to stop three times.She wasn't only shouting "go back home" but general abuse also it appears.

She pleaded guilty.She got a 6 month conditional discharge.

Hardly something she should be proud of.

Police may have been OTT about manner of arrest.We weren't there.If they were, doesn't make the law invalid or her conduct anything to applaud..

You seem to think she did nothing wrong.So,lets agree to disagree.

I agree, nothing to be proud of. But she was still a victim of politically biased policing. If on a 'peoples' demo, yelling "Tory scum" or "what do we want", "a peoples' revolution", "when do we want it?", "NOW!", she would not have been arrested. Similarly if she was at the football match shouting "go home you bums" and 'general abuse', she would not have been arrested. She was handcuffed and arrested because she was making her comments to a group of Muslims.


She was arrested because she was behaving wrongly.If a muslim person had randomly run up and started abusing her (and she'd been quietly going about her business),they'd have likely been arrested for harassment or conduct likely to cause a breach of the peace.Like I said,she could have been charged under more than one law.

You think so? Muslims have been preaching death to the west on the streets of Britain without hindrance.


Back this claim up then. When you say muslims are preaching death (and no doubt there have been instances), how many roughly?
If you know about it, why not report it.
Or are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored?


Don't act like an idiot Nick, you are far from stupid.
You know for years and years it went on unchecked,because we did not want to "upset the Muslim community".
In just the same way the Muslim grooming gangs went unchecked,and that has been admitted that was the reason it went on so long.
Now I don't think all Muslims are terrorists before you come out with that old chestnut.
Just lets stop all this they can do no wrong attitude.

Thanks elgrande, saved me the trouble of posting a similar answer.

But in response to nicks' silly questions:
"how many roughly": between 1 and 126,632 (roughly).
"why not report it": afraid of being arrested for offending Muslims.
"are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored": Yes.


Edited by derben (13 Jun 2015 2.12pm)

In the same way the paedophilia at the heart of government and the 'echelons' of British society has gone unchecked. Do we not want to upset them either?

And before you accuse me of it, I'm not defending the rights of groomers whatever their background. Nor am I defending the 'death preachers'.
But like the person who graffitied on the cenotaph during a recent demo/protest, these groups you're referring to are a tiny tiny minority. Yes they are all dickheads on that there is no doubt.


Of course I understand that you don't think all muslims are terrorists, you're jumping to conclusions there. However the word is used as a form of abuse towards ordinary peace abiding muslims. The cases of Islamophobia have risen sharply in recent years. Teachers I've spoken to at conference have been spat on and called terrorists in the past - you can't deny it doesn't happen.

Which brings us back to what should be acceptable or not.

Back this claim up then. When you say the word is used as a form of abuse towards ordinary peace abiding muslims, how many roughly?
If you know about it, why not report it.
Or are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored?

 

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Because you may have thought the woman was arrested for a "racist" offence because of the headings in some of the press coverage.She wasn't.The heading in some press coverage was a reference to the man,whose separate arrest was covered in the same stories.

She was arrested I would have thought for yelling in a "breach of the peace" situation at people quietly going about their business.I suspect the offence was the yelling in a manner likely to cause a breach of the peace at people quietly going about their business.Not the words "go back home".

Edited by legaleagle (12 Jun 2015 11.01pm)

She was actually charged with a, fashionable, 'racially aggravated' public order offence. If an 85-year-old woman had been arrested and handcuffed at one of the 'anti-austerity' rent-a-mob gatherings, image the outcry from the likes of you, imagine the histrionics of nick, the accusations of fascist police-state etc etc. It is the usual lib/left double standards and hypocrisy.


Edited by derben (13 Jun 2015 9.38am)


You are right.It wasn't breach of the peace.She was charged with harassment, And yes,racially aggravated.They could have done her for breach of the peace or plain harassment. That type of thing in the high street would render you liable to arrest whether it was 2015 or 1955.Police asked her to stop three times.She wasn't only shouting "go back home" but general abuse also it appears.

She pleaded guilty.She got a 6 month conditional discharge.

Hardly something she should be proud of.

Police may have been OTT about manner of arrest.We weren't there.If they were, doesn't make the law invalid or her conduct anything to applaud..

You seem to think she did nothing wrong.So,lets agree to disagree.

I agree, nothing to be proud of. But she was still a victim of politically biased policing. If on a 'peoples' demo, yelling "Tory scum" or "what do we want", "a peoples' revolution", "when do we want it?", "NOW!", she would not have been arrested. Similarly if she was at the football match shouting "go home you bums" and 'general abuse', she would not have been arrested. She was handcuffed and arrested because she was making her comments to a group of Muslims.


She was arrested because she was behaving wrongly.If a muslim person had randomly run up and started abusing her (and she'd been quietly going about her business),they'd have likely been arrested for harassment or conduct likely to cause a breach of the peace.Like I said,she could have been charged under more than one law.

You think so? Muslims have been preaching death to the west on the streets of Britain without hindrance.


Back this claim up then. When you say muslims are preaching death (and no doubt there have been instances), how many roughly?
If you know about it, why not report it.
Or are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored?


Don't act like an idiot Nick, you are far from stupid.
You know for years and years it went on unchecked,because we did not want to "upset the Muslim community".
In just the same way the Muslim grooming gangs went unchecked,and that has been admitted that was the reason it went on so long.
Now I don't think all Muslims are terrorists before you come out with that old chestnut.
Just lets stop all this they can do no wrong attitude.

Thanks elgrande, saved me the trouble of posting a similar answer.

But in response to nicks' silly questions:
"how many roughly": between 1 and 126,632 (roughly).
"why not report it": afraid of being arrested for offending Muslims.
"are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored": Yes.


Edited by derben (13 Jun 2015 2.12pm)

In the same way the paedophilia at the heart of government and the 'echelons' of British society has gone unchecked. Do we not want to upset them either?

And before you accuse me of it, I'm not defending the rights of groomers whatever their background. Nor am I defending the 'death preachers'.
But like the person who graffitied on the cenotaph during a recent demo/protest, these groups you're referring to are a tiny tiny minority. Yes they are all dickheads on that there is no doubt.


Of course I understand that you don't think all muslims are terrorists, you're jumping to conclusions there. However the word is used as a form of abuse towards ordinary peace abiding muslims. The cases of Islamophobia have risen sharply in recent years. Teachers I've spoken to at conference have been spat on and called terrorists in the past - you can't deny it doesn't happen.

Which brings us back to what should be acceptable or not.


I am not denying it nick,and I hate all abusers whether,Muslim,white ,yellow with blue spots.
And I do to think that the establishment abusers need to be hung out to dry.
And then left in a room with with some of the dads.
But getting back to the other subject,yes I am sure it does happen.
Just like my son and his mates were working at the invictus games.(all squaddies).
And constantly being abused by Asians.
having throat cut signs made at them being spat at and being told they are gonna have their families raped and beheaded.
So you see nick,its not just the poor Muslims who have to take abuse.
And my son and the other soldiers were told you cannot do anything about it.
So yes nick abuse is on both sides.

 


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Because you may have thought the woman was arrested for a "racist" offence because of the headings in some of the press coverage.She wasn't.The heading in some press coverage was a reference to the man,whose separate arrest was covered in the same stories.

She was arrested I would have thought for yelling in a "breach of the peace" situation at people quietly going about their business.I suspect the offence was the yelling in a manner likely to cause a breach of the peace at people quietly going about their business.Not the words "go back home".

Edited by legaleagle (12 Jun 2015 11.01pm)

She was actually charged with a, fashionable, 'racially aggravated' public order offence. If an 85-year-old woman had been arrested and handcuffed at one of the 'anti-austerity' rent-a-mob gatherings, image the outcry from the likes of you, imagine the histrionics of nick, the accusations of fascist police-state etc etc. It is the usual lib/left double standards and hypocrisy.


Edited by derben (13 Jun 2015 9.38am)


You are right.It wasn't breach of the peace.She was charged with harassment, And yes,racially aggravated.They could have done her for breach of the peace or plain harassment. That type of thing in the high street would render you liable to arrest whether it was 2015 or 1955.Police asked her to stop three times.She wasn't only shouting "go back home" but general abuse also it appears.

She pleaded guilty.She got a 6 month conditional discharge.

Hardly something she should be proud of.

Police may have been OTT about manner of arrest.We weren't there.If they were, doesn't make the law invalid or her conduct anything to applaud..

You seem to think she did nothing wrong.So,lets agree to disagree.

I agree, nothing to be proud of. But she was still a victim of politically biased policing. If on a 'peoples' demo, yelling "Tory scum" or "what do we want", "a peoples' revolution", "when do we want it?", "NOW!", she would not have been arrested. Similarly if she was at the football match shouting "go home you bums" and 'general abuse', she would not have been arrested. She was handcuffed and arrested because she was making her comments to a group of Muslims.


She was arrested because she was behaving wrongly.If a muslim person had randomly run up and started abusing her (and she'd been quietly going about her business),they'd have likely been arrested for harassment or conduct likely to cause a breach of the peace.Like I said,she could have been charged under more than one law.

You think so? Muslims have been preaching death to the west on the streets of Britain without hindrance.


Back this claim up then. When you say muslims are preaching death (and no doubt there have been instances), how many roughly?
If you know about it, why not report it.
Or are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored?


Don't act like an idiot Nick, you are far from stupid.
You know for years and years it went on unchecked,because we did not want to "upset the Muslim community".
In just the same way the Muslim grooming gangs went unchecked,and that has been admitted that was the reason it went on so long.
Now I don't think all Muslims are terrorists before you come out with that old chestnut.
Just lets stop all this they can do no wrong attitude.

Thanks elgrande, saved me the trouble of posting a similar answer.

But in response to nicks' silly questions:
"how many roughly": between 1 and 126,632 (roughly).
"why not report it": afraid of being arrested for offending Muslims.
"are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored": Yes.


Edited by derben (13 Jun 2015 2.12pm)

In the same way the paedophilia at the heart of government and the 'echelons' of British society has gone unchecked. Do we not want to upset them either?

And before you accuse me of it, I'm not defending the rights of groomers whatever their background. Nor am I defending the 'death preachers'.
But like the person who graffitied on the cenotaph during a recent demo/protest, these groups you're referring to are a tiny tiny minority. Yes they are all dickheads on that there is no doubt.


Of course I understand that you don't think all muslims are terrorists, you're jumping to conclusions there. However the word is used as a form of abuse towards ordinary peace abiding muslims. The cases of Islamophobia have risen sharply in recent years. Teachers I've spoken to at conference have been spat on and called terrorists in the past - you can't deny it doesn't happen.

Which brings us back to what should be acceptable or not.

Back this claim up then. When you say the word is used as a form of abuse towards ordinary peace abiding muslims, how many roughly?
If you know about it, why not report it.
Or are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored?


You'll just have to take my word for it. I didn't record the conversation.
Or are you accusing me of lying?

 

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Because you may have thought the woman was arrested for a "racist" offence because of the headings in some of the press coverage.She wasn't.The heading in some press coverage was a reference to the man,whose separate arrest was covered in the same stories.

She was arrested I would have thought for yelling in a "breach of the peace" situation at people quietly going about their business.I suspect the offence was the yelling in a manner likely to cause a breach of the peace at people quietly going about their business.Not the words "go back home".

Edited by legaleagle (12 Jun 2015 11.01pm)

She was actually charged with a, fashionable, 'racially aggravated' public order offence. If an 85-year-old woman had been arrested and handcuffed at one of the 'anti-austerity' rent-a-mob gatherings, image the outcry from the likes of you, imagine the histrionics of nick, the accusations of fascist police-state etc etc. It is the usual lib/left double standards and hypocrisy.


Edited by derben (13 Jun 2015 9.38am)


You are right.It wasn't breach of the peace.She was charged with harassment, And yes,racially aggravated.They could have done her for breach of the peace or plain harassment. That type of thing in the high street would render you liable to arrest whether it was 2015 or 1955.Police asked her to stop three times.She wasn't only shouting "go back home" but general abuse also it appears.

She pleaded guilty.She got a 6 month conditional discharge.

Hardly something she should be proud of.

Police may have been OTT about manner of arrest.We weren't there.If they were, doesn't make the law invalid or her conduct anything to applaud..

You seem to think she did nothing wrong.So,lets agree to disagree.

I agree, nothing to be proud of. But she was still a victim of politically biased policing. If on a 'peoples' demo, yelling "Tory scum" or "what do we want", "a peoples' revolution", "when do we want it?", "NOW!", she would not have been arrested. Similarly if she was at the football match shouting "go home you bums" and 'general abuse', she would not have been arrested. She was handcuffed and arrested because she was making her comments to a group of Muslims.


She was arrested because she was behaving wrongly.If a muslim person had randomly run up and started abusing her (and she'd been quietly going about her business),they'd have likely been arrested for harassment or conduct likely to cause a breach of the peace.Like I said,she could have been charged under more than one law.

You think so? Muslims have been preaching death to the west on the streets of Britain without hindrance.


Back this claim up then. When you say muslims are preaching death (and no doubt there have been instances), how many roughly?
If you know about it, why not report it.
Or are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored?


Don't act like an idiot Nick, you are far from stupid.
You know for years and years it went on unchecked,because we did not want to "upset the Muslim community".
In just the same way the Muslim grooming gangs went unchecked,and that has been admitted that was the reason it went on so long.
Now I don't think all Muslims are terrorists before you come out with that old chestnut.
Just lets stop all this they can do no wrong attitude.

Thanks elgrande, saved me the trouble of posting a similar answer.

But in response to nicks' silly questions:
"how many roughly": between 1 and 126,632 (roughly).
"why not report it": afraid of being arrested for offending Muslims.
"are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored": Yes.


Edited by derben (13 Jun 2015 2.12pm)

In the same way the paedophilia at the heart of government and the 'echelons' of British society has gone unchecked. Do we not want to upset them either?

And before you accuse me of it, I'm not defending the rights of groomers whatever their background. Nor am I defending the 'death preachers'.
But like the person who graffitied on the cenotaph during a recent demo/protest, these groups you're referring to are a tiny tiny minority. Yes they are all dickheads on that there is no doubt.


Of course I understand that you don't think all muslims are terrorists, you're jumping to conclusions there. However the word is used as a form of abuse towards ordinary peace abiding muslims. The cases of Islamophobia have risen sharply in recent years. Teachers I've spoken to at conference have been spat on and called terrorists in the past - you can't deny it doesn't happen.

Which brings us back to what should be acceptable or not.

Back this claim up then. When you say the word is used as a form of abuse towards ordinary peace abiding muslims, how many roughly?
If you know about it, why not report it.
Or are you suggesting that it is being deliberately ignored?


You'll just have to take my word for it. I didn't record the conversation.
Or are you accusing me of lying?

I am sure that you sincerely believe everything that you say.

 

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Someone else on here used to bring up pol pot quite a lot...


Bill and Ben, the Flower Pott men?

 


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This whole shooting match can be summed up thus in my very humble opinion.

Listening to Jeremy Vine on the radio the other day, he was interviewing a very fourth right young lady on the issue of gays being gays openly in public, (to which she very became very uppity because he didn't use the term same sex couples, but gay.) She said that "same sex" couples shouldn't have to put up with looks of disdain and unkind comments when openly showing affection in the general public, as it was everyone's right to express them selves through freedom of choice.

Quite right says Jeremy Vine, but surely the people who don't wish to see two people snogging on the street "gay" or other wise ( I liked that bit) are just expressing their "freedom of choice".

Que long silence and .....finally the weakest of retorts ...It's not the same. When asked why it wasn't she just said (play ground time) "because it just isn't.

Yes it is.

 


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This whole shooting match can be summed up thus in my very humble opinion.

Listening to Jeremy Vine on the radio the other day, he was interviewing a very fourth right young lady on the issue of gays being gays openly in public, (to which she very became very uppity because he didn't use the term same sex couples, but gay.) She said that "same sex" couples shouldn't have to put up with looks of disdain and unkind comments when openly showing affection in the general public, as it was everyone's right to express them selves through freedom of choice.

Quite right says Jeremy Vine, but surely the people who don't wish to see two people snogging on the street "gay" or other wise ( I liked that bit) are just expressing their "freedom of choice".

Que long silence and .....finally the weakest of retorts ...It's not the same. When asked why it wasn't she just said (play ground time) "because it just isn't.

Yes it is.

It is, provided they don't act on those feelings or looks, beyond simple expression, then everyone is happy. I'm a strong believer in the idea that you don't have to like something, but you do have to put up with things you don't like that others do.

People need to 'thicken their skin a bit' and realize that maybe if people are having looks of disdain, its those peoples problem, not theirs.


 


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Quote dannyh at 13 Jun 2015 5.26pm

This whole shooting match can be summed up thus in my very humble opinion.

Listening to Jeremy Vine on the radio the other day, he was interviewing a very fourth right young lady on the issue of gays being gays openly in public, (to which she very became very uppity because he didn't use the term same sex couples, but gay.) She said that "same sex" couples shouldn't have to put up with looks of disdain and unkind comments when openly showing affection in the general public, as it was everyone's right to express them selves through freedom of choice.

Quite right says Jeremy Vine, but surely the people who don't wish to see two people snogging on the street "gay" or other wise ( I liked that bit) are just expressing their "freedom of choice".

Que long silence and .....finally the weakest of retorts ...It's not the same. When asked why it wasn't she just said (play ground time) "because it just isn't.

Yes it is.

It is, provided they don't act on those feelings or looks, beyond simple expression, then everyone is happy. I'm a strong believer in the idea that you don't have to like something, but you do have to put up with things you don't like that others do.

People need to 'thicken their skin a bit' and realize that maybe if people are having looks of disdain, its those peoples problem, not theirs.



Yup, I agree with you both.

This young lady is trying the push the boundaries too far. The right not to like anything is fundamental....We don't want a state where everyone is required to 'like' or agree with what the majority decides is acceptable.....That's thought policing.

That said, people have a right to live their lives and be treated 'equally' by the state. However, the idea that you as an individual have to treat everyone 'equally' outside of a business transaction is a bit off.

I don't get involved with how you regard or like your brother or sister and it's not the role of the state or any institution to try to socially engineer how you feel.

We know they do try to.....But whenever individuals try they should get a tongue lashing.

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Jun 2015 11.25am

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This whole shooting match can be summed up thus in my very humble opinion.

Listening to Jeremy Vine on the radio the other day, he was interviewing a very fourth right young lady on the issue of gays being gays openly in public, (to which she very became very uppity because he didn't use the term same sex couples, but gay.) She said that "same sex" couples shouldn't have to put up with looks of disdain and unkind comments when openly showing affection in the general public, as it was everyone's right to express them selves through freedom of choice.

Quite right says Jeremy Vine, but surely the people who don't wish to see two people snogging on the street "gay" or other wise ( I liked that bit) are just expressing their "freedom of choice".

Que long silence and .....finally the weakest of retorts ...It's not the same. When asked why it wasn't she just said (play ground time) "because it just isn't.

Yes it is.

It is, provided they don't act on those feelings or looks, beyond simple expression, then everyone is happy. I'm a strong believer in the idea that you don't have to like something, but you do have to put up with things you don't like that others do.

People need to 'thicken their skin a bit' and realize that maybe if people are having looks of disdain, its those peoples problem, not theirs.



Yup, I agree with you both.

This young lady is trying the push the boundaries too far. The right not to like anything is fundamental....We don't want a state where everyone is required to 'like' or agree with what the majority decides is acceptable.....That's thought policing.

That said, people have a right to live their lives and be treated 'equally' by the state. However, the idea that you as an individual have to treat everyone 'equally' outside of a business transaction is a bit off.

I don't get involved with how you regard or like your brother or sister and it's not the role of the state or any institution to try to socially engineer how you feel.

We know they do try to.....But whenever individuals try they should get a tongue lashing.


Quite so to all points. The bit in bold is surely an impossible aim anyway - you will never make all people approve of same sex relationships, and if you insist they should not look twice at something which is still, and always will be, an out of the ordinary sight, then all you get is all people pretending to approve to fit in. Totally pointless.

Yes, equal rights. Yes, no discrimination. No, you can't tell me I have to approve (I do, but in the words of the doctor in blackadder, that's only because "it leaves more rampant totty for us real men")

 

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Quote npn at 17 Jun 2015 11.48am

Yes, equal rights. Yes, no discrimination. No, you can't tell me I have to approve (I do, but in the words of the doctor in blackadder, that's only because "it leaves more rampant totty for us real men"


I don't approve or disapprove of what nature produces....It just is. I'm happy and approve of that we live in a country where homosexuals are not frightened to live their lives openly. That was true for a long time....But my the same token I'm not too fond of watching sexualities that don't correspond to my own.....So if two blokes or ladies are snogging it doesn't do anything for me....Despite a lot of blokes apparently enjoying a bit of lesbo action.

It's important that the state encourages everyone to treat every other group fairly and with respect......But 'approve'.....No one should feel incorrect about that.....And for the state that is a step too far.

But homosexuality existing doesn't really mean there wouldn't be more totty about for 'real men' as the numbers of genuine heterosexuals would be decreased on both genders......And an advantage would....I imagine be cancelled out whether homosexuality existed or didn't exist.....Unless you could engineer it for just one gender of course.

Though obviously I'm being pedantic here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2015 12.39pm)

 


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