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legaleagle Flag 19 Jun 15 6.00pm

Gay sex has been legal in Jordan since 1951,age of consent 16. Jordan having been an independent country since 1946.I think derben would probably describe Jordan as a "muslim" country.

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derben Flag 19 Jun 15 6.05pm

Quote legaleagle at 19 Jun 2015 6.00pm

Gay sex has been legal in Jordan since 1951,age of consent 16. Jordan having been an independent country since 1946.I think derben would probably describe Jordan as a "muslim" country.

Edited by legaleagle (19 Jun 2015 6.01pm)

Have you read my previous post? I said "These days I think Jordan is one of the more moderate Islamic states - even fairly democratic and does not persecute gay people." Do try to keep up.

 

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legaleagle Flag 19 Jun 15 6.08pm

Yes,I was responding to your post and expanding on it.Do try and keep completely up

 

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derben Flag 19 Jun 15 6.15pm

Quote legaleagle at 19 Jun 2015 6.08pm

Yes,I was responding to your post and expanding on it.Do try and keep completely up

I described it as an "Islamic state", no need for you to say I would consider it Muslim. It was also nice of Jordon (albeit somewhat late in the day in 2013) to change their penal code so that it no longer permits family members to beat or kill a member of their own family whose 'illicit' sexuality is interpreted as bringing 'dishonor' to the entire family. As of 2013, the newly revised penal code makes honor killings, as a legal justification for murder, illegal. Welcome to the 21st century Jordan.

 

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legaleagle Flag 19 Jun 15 7.10pm

Sorry old bean,but if I want to say Jordan is a "muslim" state in the context of this thread,I will.But,if you would rather I referred to it as an "Islamic" state, no problem.

You seem to have completely missed the reason I posted,but that's ok.


btw.You are being a trifle over sensitive here perhaps.My use of the word "muslim" as opposed to "Islamic" on this occcasion had nothing to do at all with anything you'd written.

Welcome to the 21st century Jordan? If only it was welcome to even the late 20th century derben

 

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derben Flag 19 Jun 15 7.14pm

Quote legaleagle at 19 Jun 2015 7.10pm

Sorry old bean,but if I want to say Jordan is a "muslim" state in the context of this thread,I will.But,if you would rather I referred to it as an "Islamic" state, no problem.

You seem to have completely missed the reason I posted,but that's ok.


btw.You are being a trifle over sensitive here perhaps.My use of the word "muslim" as opposed to "Islamic" on this occcasion had nothing to do at all with anything you'd written.

Welcome to the 21st century Jordan? If only it was welcome to even the late 20th century derben

Running out of arguments? Cheap shot - why not just call me an evil racist?

 

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legaleagle Flag 19 Jun 15 7.58pm

Ummm..not sure I follow that.Hard to run out of arguments when nothing is actually being put to rebut.


 

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Quote dannyh at 19 Jun 2015 7.32am

Quote serial thriller at 18 Jun 2015 10.20pm

Quote dannyh at 18 Jun 2015 4.42pm

Serial answer me this then.

In what religion in this country are you most at risk from radicalisation ?

Before you answer consider :

Although Jehovah’sitnesses are a pain in the arse, not a single one has knocked on my door, waited for me to answer and blew him self up all over my front gardenn, nor has the Bhuddist who lives next door, hacked my head off whilst I was off to the shops, even the mentalist catholic up the road decided not to set me on fire because I didnt agree with his sky fairy on gay marriage.

As I said right at the start it is purely and simply risk management.


Edited by dannyh (18 Jun 2015 4.45pm)


First, I'll answer your question simply: Islam.

Second, how many Muslims do you know directly who have blown themselves up/hacked off their heads/set fire to you? This is the problem I was trying to explain to you Danny, you can accept that radical Islam is a problem AND not tar all Muslims with the same brush. Less than 0.1% of British Muslims have gone out to join IS, thus to make any assumptions on the faith in general is absolutely f*cking nuts.

Why are Muslims more impressionable to extremism? As I said, I don't know for certain, but my guess would be they see comments like yours, where there is an implicit conflation of all Muslims with their radical terrorist associates and they feel like this country doesn't accept them. Why aren't we focusing on the thousands of Muslims in this country who dedicate their lives to helping people, or the millions who give to charity?


Apologist hand wringing at its very best.

If someone doesnt like me, does that giveme the excuse to kill them ?

Does it fcuk as like.

And a point to note for you at virtually every Juncture possible I have made it clear that I do not tar all Muslims with the same brush.


It's funny, I was walking past a newsagents today and I saw the front pages of the papers and thought of this thread. The Mail ran a story about the sisters who've gone out to fight against IS. The Telegraph ran the headline that Cameron had accused the Muslim community of encouraging this, and the Express warned that more extremists were being let in via asylum.

There was a Muslim kid, about 14, outside the shop, and I was thinking Christ, what must he think when he sees these ridiculously hyperbolic scare-mongering headlines? Just put yourself in his shoes for a second: you're brought up being told that your religion is peaceful, charitable and tolerant, then all of a sudden you see headlines claiming that your religion is negligent and barbaric. Evidently most Muslims ignore it, given that 99.99% still live in this country in peace and harmony. But a tiny tiny minority must look at it and feel that their belief is sufficiently under attack for them to go and do something stupid. Where is Cameron even getting this message that the Muslim community isn't doing enough? When was the last time he even visited a mosque or spoke to an Imam?

In the last post I accused you of generalising Muslims, and I felt like maybe I overstepped the mark. But then I remembered a post you made where you said you'd be fine if your daughter became a Buddhist, but not a Muslim. Why? There is, in this country, a 99.9% chance she would be a perfectly acceptable Muslim, just as there is a perfectly reasonable chance she'd be a very tolerant Buddhist. The chances of her going out to join ISIS are probably only slightly higher than her going out to Burma and joining the Rakhine who themselves are massacring the Muslims in the area. There's probably a better chance she'd actually go out and join the Kurds or the other foreign forces fighting against ISIS. Therefore for me, what that comment suggested was that you genuinely believed that just being a Muslim, regardless of what sect, was in itself a dangerous thing, and that's something I find really worrying, because it's just so untrue.

 


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Quote serial thriller at 19 Jun 2015 11.51pm

Quote dannyh at 19 Jun 2015 7.32am

Quote serial thriller at 18 Jun 2015 10.20pm

Quote dannyh at 18 Jun 2015 4.42pm

Serial answer me this then.

In what religion in this country are you most at risk from radicalisation ?

Before you answer consider :

Although Jehovah’sitnesses are a pain in the arse, not a single one has knocked on my door, waited for me to answer and blew him self up all over my front gardenn, nor has the Bhuddist who lives next door, hacked my head off whilst I was off to the shops, even the mentalist catholic up the road decided not to set me on fire because I didnt agree with his sky fairy on gay marriage.

As I said right at the start it is purely and simply risk management.


Edited by dannyh (18 Jun 2015 4.45pm)


First, I'll answer your question simply: Islam.

Second, how many Muslims do you know directly who have blown themselves up/hacked off their heads/set fire to you? This is the problem I was trying to explain to you Danny, you can accept that radical Islam is a problem AND not tar all Muslims with the same brush. Less than 0.1% of British Muslims have gone out to join IS, thus to make any assumptions on the faith in general is absolutely f*cking nuts.

Why are Muslims more impressionable to extremism? As I said, I don't know for certain, but my guess would be they see comments like yours, where there is an implicit conflation of all Muslims with their radical terrorist associates and they feel like this country doesn't accept them. Why aren't we focusing on the thousands of Muslims in this country who dedicate their lives to helping people, or the millions who give to charity?


Apologist hand wringing at its very best.

If someone doesnt like me, does that giveme the excuse to kill them ?

Does it fcuk as like.

And a point to note for you at virtually every Juncture possible I have made it clear that I do not tar all Muslims with the same brush.


It's funny, I was walking past a newsagents today and I saw the front pages of the papers and thought of this thread. The Mail ran a story about the sisters who've gone out to fight against IS. The Telegraph ran the headline that Cameron had accused the Muslim community of encouraging this, and the Express warned that more extremists were being let in via asylum.

There was a Muslim kid, about 14, outside the shop, and I was thinking Christ, what must he think when he sees these ridiculously hyperbolic scare-mongering headlines? Just put yourself in his shoes for a second: you're brought up being told that your religion is peaceful, charitable and tolerant, then all of a sudden you see headlines claiming that your religion is negligent and barbaric. Evidently most Muslims ignore it, given that 99.99% still live in this country in peace and harmony. But a tiny tiny minority must look at it and feel that their belief is sufficiently under attack for them to go and do something stupid. Where is Cameron even getting this message that the Muslim community isn't doing enough? When was the last time he even visited a mosque or spoke to an Imam?

In the last post I accused you of generalising Muslims, and I felt like maybe I overstepped the mark. But then I remembered a post you made where you said you'd be fine if your daughter became a Buddhist, but not a Muslim. Why? There is, in this country, a 99.9% chance she would be a perfectly acceptable Muslim, just as there is a perfectly reasonable chance she'd be a very tolerant Buddhist. The chances of her going out to join ISIS are probably only slightly higher than her going out to Burma and joining the Rakhine who themselves are massacring the Muslims in the area. There's probably a better chance she'd actually go out and join the Kurds or the other foreign forces fighting against ISIS. Therefore for me, what that comment suggested was that you genuinely believed that just being a Muslim, regardless of what sect, was in itself a dangerous thing, and that's something I find really worrying, because it's just so untrue.


Wrong again I'm afraid, your twisting my words to suit your own agenda, Risk management. By not letting your daughter become a Muslim, you are limiting the risk (however small that risk may be) that she will run off and sign up for a semtex overcoat.

That is a fact. However much you don't like it. And as a bloke from a catholic irish background growing up in the 70's and eighties I know exactly how that kid felt.

My best mates mum called the Catholics a bunch of terrorists to my face knowing I was one, I think I was about 12 at the time.

And you know what, the catholic community in England did everything possible to distance themselves from the Provo's something we are not seeing with the poor hard done by Muslim council of great Britain.

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Quote dannyh at 21 Jun 2015 3.29pm

Quote serial thriller at 19 Jun 2015 11.51pm

Quote dannyh at 19 Jun 2015 7.32am

Quote serial thriller at 18 Jun 2015 10.20pm

Quote dannyh at 18 Jun 2015 4.42pm

Serial answer me this then.

In what religion in this country are you most at risk from radicalisation ?

Before you answer consider :

Although Jehovah’sitnesses are a pain in the arse, not a single one has knocked on my door, waited for me to answer and blew him self up all over my front gardenn, nor has the Bhuddist who lives next door, hacked my head off whilst I was off to the shops, even the mentalist catholic up the road decided not to set me on fire because I didnt agree with his sky fairy on gay marriage.

As I said right at the start it is purely and simply risk management.


Edited by dannyh (18 Jun 2015 4.45pm)


First, I'll answer your question simply: Islam.

Second, how many Muslims do you know directly who have blown themselves up/hacked off their heads/set fire to you? This is the problem I was trying to explain to you Danny, you can accept that radical Islam is a problem AND not tar all Muslims with the same brush. Less than 0.1% of British Muslims have gone out to join IS, thus to make any assumptions on the faith in general is absolutely f*cking nuts.

Why are Muslims more impressionable to extremism? As I said, I don't know for certain, but my guess would be they see comments like yours, where there is an implicit conflation of all Muslims with their radical terrorist associates and they feel like this country doesn't accept them. Why aren't we focusing on the thousands of Muslims in this country who dedicate their lives to helping people, or the millions who give to charity?


Apologist hand wringing at its very best.

If someone doesnt like me, does that giveme the excuse to kill them ?

Does it fcuk as like.

And a point to note for you at virtually every Juncture possible I have made it clear that I do not tar all Muslims with the same brush.


It's funny, I was walking past a newsagents today and I saw the front pages of the papers and thought of this thread. The Mail ran a story about the sisters who've gone out to fight against IS. The Telegraph ran the headline that Cameron had accused the Muslim community of encouraging this, and the Express warned that more extremists were being let in via asylum.

There was a Muslim kid, about 14, outside the shop, and I was thinking Christ, what must he think when he sees these ridiculously hyperbolic scare-mongering headlines? Just put yourself in his shoes for a second: you're brought up being told that your religion is peaceful, charitable and tolerant, then all of a sudden you see headlines claiming that your religion is negligent and barbaric. Evidently most Muslims ignore it, given that 99.99% still live in this country in peace and harmony. But a tiny tiny minority must look at it and feel that their belief is sufficiently under attack for them to go and do something stupid. Where is Cameron even getting this message that the Muslim community isn't doing enough? When was the last time he even visited a mosque or spoke to an Imam?

In the last post I accused you of generalising Muslims, and I felt like maybe I overstepped the mark. But then I remembered a post you made where you said you'd be fine if your daughter became a Buddhist, but not a Muslim. Why? There is, in this country, a 99.9% chance she would be a perfectly acceptable Muslim, just as there is a perfectly reasonable chance she'd be a very tolerant Buddhist. The chances of her going out to join ISIS are probably only slightly higher than her going out to Burma and joining the Rakhine who themselves are massacring the Muslims in the area. There's probably a better chance she'd actually go out and join the Kurds or the other foreign forces fighting against ISIS. Therefore for me, what that comment suggested was that you genuinely believed that just being a Muslim, regardless of what sect, was in itself a dangerous thing, and that's something I find really worrying, because it's just so untrue.


Wrong again I'm afraid, your twisting my words to suit your own agenda, Risk management. By not letting your daughter become a Muslim, you are limiting the risk (however small that risk may be) that she will run off and sign up for a semtex overcoat.

That is a fact. However much you don't like it. And as a bloke from a catholic irish background growing up in the 70's and eighties I know exactly how that kid felt.

My best mates mum called the Catholics a bunch of terrorists to my face knowing I was one, I think I was about 12 at the time.

And you know what, the catholic community in England did everything possible to distance themselves from the Provo's something we are not seeing with the poor hard done by Muslim council of great Britain.


But why doesn't that 'risk management' run to Buddhists, who are also committing atrocities, or Christians, who as we've seen in America so recently, are still committing atrocities? Granted, it's a tiny, tiny proportion who are doing so, but then the same is true of Muslims!

As for your last paragraph, read this and tell me in what way the MCB could be more conclusive in their distancing from terrorists: [Link] They actually have more of a reason to chastise ISIS than most, given that they probably represent so many Muslims who have family being killed by ISIS.

 


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derben Flag 21 Jun 15 5.08pm


This is good for a laugh - the police are complicit is grooming the three Bradford terrorist sisters!

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This is good for a laugh - the police are complicit is grooming the three Bradford terrorist sisters!

[Link]


All so sadly predictable

I can almost understand the husbands, who are wracked with guilt and embarrassment saying this, but others should tell them how stupid it is.

 


My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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