Second as "sheep" only to those who fall into the trap of categorising others simplistically and perjoratively as falling into catch all cliches with simple labels like "you egalitarians" "liberal left elite" and "left leaning liberals",eh

I thought you might be one for blanket labels.

"politically correct twerps" or "politically incorrect different word beginning with t's"?

Edited by legaleagle (21 Jun 2015 11.15am)

Precisely Derben.

I had a respect for the old Labour party in so much as it truly looked to the British working classes first without exception.

The infection with the modern left is about being a 'world citizen' and egalitarian. A playful mindset that I believe worsens the lives of the poorest and most vulnerable here.

I respect and support helping nations abroad to a reasonable degree by virtue of being a good neigbour and by expressing humanity....in for example situations of natural disasters......And I agree for example that while we shouldn't take them in we shouldn't let people knowingly drown in the Med without trying to help.

But first and fulmost the responsibility of any political wing of any party should be to those here....paying taxes with allegiance to this country.

One of the places where this country has gone seriously wrong is in the ignoring of allegiance....The downplaying of allegiance and commitment to this country. This idea that everyone is of equal standing independent of how they regard this land.

It stabs at the very best in this country.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2015 11.54am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

eh? I laughed at topcat's post.... where's the bit about being his father or am I being thick?

You fed me, you bred me, I'll remember your name.

Quite possibly, but who am I to Judge!

Optimistic as ever

I kind of agree with a lot of this, though I do believe that to some degree the UK has a global responsibility, as well as a national one, given the increasingly global nature of politics - Which is odd given that I don't actually really subscribe to notions of National Identity and Nationalism, the reality is that representation must first and foremost be to the electorate, and not unelected interest groups, business or lobbyists etc.

A part of the problem with the right wing politics (including New Labour) has been to increasingly rely on third party influence, especially corporate and lobby interests on policy, over the electorate, and couple this with a reduction of the responsibility of state to its citizens, tax paying or otherwise, to charities - which have increasingly gained political power and status (even if its a 'good cause').

Take homelessness (for the left) increasingly this was something the state provided provision for through charitable organisations - when the responsibility for citizen welfare is a responsibility of the state - not business or charities. Similarly, the right has seen privatisation as a means of providing 'essential functions of state' (prisons, utilities).

In doing so, this has abdicated the 'social contract' between citizens and state, to unelected and largely unaccountable, third parties, who have as such increased their political influence beyond that of the electorate.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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