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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 11.28am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Why not compare ticket prices for football clubs, food prices etc. Because it would be stupid on a thread about trains.
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Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 11.28am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Why not compare ticket prices for football clubs, food prices etc.

Because it would be stupid on a thread about trains.

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Hoof Hearted 23 Feb 16 11.41am
Originally posted by nickgusset Because it would be stupid on a thread about trains. No more stupid or pointless than the graph you posted nickle-arse!
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Hoof Hearted 23 Feb 16 11.41am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Because it would be stupid on a thread about trains.

No more stupid or pointless than the graph you posted nickle-arse!

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Feb 16 12.27pm
Originally posted by dannyh Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am Progress? Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys. Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages. You know what else is a luxury? Leg room. Actually seats in general are too. Why aren't we just making standing room only, non-air-conditioned carriages where we can fit 300 people in each. That would clearly be the most efficient way of doing things Why are rail prices going up? Is it because of buffet cars, ticket barriers etc which have been in existence for decades? or maybe it's due to the rail services being privatised, which has lead to Ł200 million payouts to shareholders, almost exclusively paid for by the Ł4 billion subsidy the tax payer handed out. So, in layman's terms, our taxes were given to rail companies, and instead of lowering fares or improving services, the shareholders decided to cash in themselves! No wonder the majority of the public want the railways renationalised. Sometimes your left wing/socialist views are quite thought provoking. This however is not one of them. Striking is black mail end of chat. No its not, blackmail is a criminal offence, strike action as lawful as any other means of legitimate leverage brought by one party to negotiate a contract in their favour. Its no less lawful than me applying for a job, in order to elicit a pay rise from my employer. For it to be blackmail - You must Make a demand with menace, that is unwarranted or unjustified, to obtain personal gain or force losses on another party. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Feb 16 12.27pm

Originally posted by dannyh

Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am

Progress?

Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys.

Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages.

You know what else is a luxury? Leg room. Actually seats in general are too. Why aren't we just making standing room only, non-air-conditioned carriages where we can fit 300 people in each. That would clearly be the most efficient way of doing things

Why are rail prices going up? Is it because of buffet cars, ticket barriers etc which have been in existence for decades? or maybe it's due to the rail services being privatised, which has lead to Ł200 million payouts to shareholders, almost exclusively paid for by the Ł4 billion subsidy the tax payer handed out. So, in layman's terms, our taxes were given to rail companies, and instead of lowering fares or improving services, the shareholders decided to cash in themselves! No wonder the majority of the public want the railways renationalised.

Sometimes your left wing/socialist views are quite thought provoking. This however is not one of them. Striking is black mail end of chat.

No its not, blackmail is a criminal offence, strike action as lawful as any other means of legitimate leverage brought by one party to negotiate a contract in their favour. Its no less lawful than me applying for a job, in order to elicit a pay rise from my employer.

For it to be blackmail - You must
Make a demand with menace, that is unwarranted or unjustified, to obtain personal gain or force losses on another party.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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kenners46 sydenham village 23 Feb 16 12.34pm
You know what else is a luxury? Leg room. Actually seats in general are too. Why aren't we just making standing room only, non-air-conditioned carriages where we can fit 300 people in each. That would clearly be the most efficient way of doing things Sounds a bit like the holocaust
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sydenham village 23 Feb 16 12.34pm

You know what else is a luxury? Leg room. Actually seats in general are too. Why aren't we just making standing room only, non-air-conditioned carriages where we can fit 300 people in each. That would clearly be the most efficient way of doing things

Sounds a bit like the holocaust

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Hoof Hearted 23 Feb 16 12.35pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 No its not, blackmail is a criminal offence, strike action as lawful as any other means of legitimate leverage brought by one party to negotiate a contract in their favour. Its no less lawful than me applying for a job, in order to elicit a pay rise from my employer. For it to be blackmail - You must Make a demand with menace, that is unwarranted or unjustified, to obtain personal gain or force losses on another party. Jamie - you really are having a bad day. Smoke a spliff and chill out dude.
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Hoof Hearted 23 Feb 16 12.35pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

For it to be blackmail - You must
Make a demand with menace, that is unwarranted or unjustified, to obtain personal gain or force losses on another party.

Jamie - you really are having a bad day.

Smoke a spliff and chill out dude.

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Stuk Top half 23 Feb 16 2.53pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Guess which country out of these has a privatised rail industry? My, that's informative... Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 23 Feb 16 2.53pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Guess which country out of these has a privatised rail industry?

My, that's informative...

Optimistic as ever

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DanH Online SW2 23 Feb 16 2.56pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Dan could play Mark "Rent Boy" Renton Ironic, given that today is the film's 20th anniversary.
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DanH Online

SW2 23 Feb 16 2.56pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Dan could play Mark "Rent Boy" Renton

Ironic, given that today is the film's 20th anniversary.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 2.57pm
Originally posted by Stuk My, that's informative... Yes it shows how expensive our privatised rail fares can be compared to non privatised rail fairs on the continent. Or was it too difficult for you to grasp
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 2.57pm

Originally posted by Stuk

My, that's informative...

Yes it shows how expensive our privatised rail fares can be compared to non privatised rail fairs on the continent.
Or was it too difficult for you to grasp

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Stuk Top half 23 Feb 16 3.16pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Yes it shows how expensive our privatised rail fares can be compared to non privatised rail fairs on the continent. Or was it too difficult for you to grasp Too much detail for me. Where do you find graphs seemingly produced by 8 year olds? Edited by Stuk (23 Feb 2016 3.16pm) Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 23 Feb 16 3.16pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yes it shows how expensive our privatised rail fares can be compared to non privatised rail fairs on the continent.
Or was it too difficult for you to grasp

Too much detail for me.

Where do you find graphs seemingly produced by 8 year olds?

Edited by Stuk (23 Feb 2016 3.16pm)

Optimistic as ever

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 23 Feb 16 3.47pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Quote nickyf at 12 Jul 2015 9.15am Quote homes at 11 Jul 2015 9.53pm Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am Progress? Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys. Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages. You know what else is a luxury? Leg room. Actually seats in general are too. Why aren't we just making standing room only, non-air-conditioned carriages where we can fit 300 people in each. That would clearly be the most efficient way of doing things Why are rail prices going up? Is it because of buffet cars, ticket barriers etc which have been in existence for decades? or maybe it's due to the rail services being privatised, which has lead to Ł200 million payouts to shareholders, almost exclusively paid for by the Ł4 billion subsidy the tax payer handed out. So, in layman's terms, our taxes were given to rail companies, and instead of lowering fares or improving services, the shareholders decided to cash in themselves! No wonder the majority of the public want the railways renationalised. Spot on, completely agree with this. Ridiculous privatising the rail so short sighted ------------------------------------------------------- two excellent worded post which show the government have divided the public. privatisation and greed has led to a bad service and instead of improving service and lowering fares,they should be telling the share holders that's your lot they keep the greed going at the cost of staff jobs. Edited by nickyf (12 Jul 2015 9.17am) I'm not saying the rail companies cannot do better BUT they took over a crumbling outdated outmoded inefficient BR track signals and rolling stock. It has/will cost Billions of pounds of investment to put it right. As an example look at GWR trying to electrify the line from London to Wales. At Bath they have to contend with listed buildings/structures and the Box tunnel is not high enough for overhead wires so they will need to dig down to lower the track. Everyone shouts about shareholder profit but conveniently ignores the amount of investment needed to get things modernised. In this latest instance the rail companies are trying to improve their service and are being held back by the unions "luddite" stance again. One would think that investment programmes usually have an impact on profits and dividends. However, the Train Operators are able to lobby for (and get) increased subsidy on top of income rises from higher fares; ergo no hit to margins. Make no mistake, the investment costs are NOT being borne by shareholders. It's just yet another in the long catalogue of ways in which the Tories (including Blair the Red Tory) have engineered the country to continually increase the conversion of money taken directly from citizens without their choice (taxation) into big business profits. The fact that most of our privatised infrastructure is actually now profited from by non-UK entities is also worthy of note. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 23 Feb 16 3.47pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Quote nickyf at 12 Jul 2015 9.15am

Quote homes at 11 Jul 2015 9.53pm

Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am

Progress?

Spot on, completely agree with this. Ridiculous privatising the rail so short sighted

-------------------------------------------------------
two excellent worded post which show the government have divided the public.
privatisation and greed has led to a bad service and instead of improving service and lowering fares,they should be telling the share holders that's your lot they keep the greed going at the cost of staff jobs.

Edited by nickyf (12 Jul 2015 9.17am)

I'm not saying the rail companies cannot do better BUT they took over a crumbling outdated outmoded inefficient BR track signals and rolling stock.

It has/will cost Billions of pounds of investment to put it right.

As an example look at GWR trying to electrify the line from London to Wales. At Bath they have to contend with listed buildings/structures and the Box tunnel is not high enough for overhead wires so they will need to dig down to lower the track.

Everyone shouts about shareholder profit but conveniently ignores the amount of investment needed to get things modernised.

In this latest instance the rail companies are trying to improve their service and are being held back by the unions "luddite" stance again.

One would think that investment programmes usually have an impact on profits and dividends. However, the Train Operators are able to lobby for (and get) increased subsidy on top of income rises from higher fares; ergo no hit to margins. Make no mistake, the investment costs are NOT being borne by shareholders.

It's just yet another in the long catalogue of ways in which the Tories (including Blair the Red Tory) have engineered the country to continually increase the conversion of money taken directly from citizens without their choice (taxation) into big business profits.

The fact that most of our privatised infrastructure is actually now profited from by non-UK entities is also worthy of note.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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