Irrespective of the blatant and cynical manoeuvring of the SNP (which it is), I'm firmly of the opinion that pursuing and setting 20-30 dogs onto one animal and actually deriving pleasure from it is the act of a gilt-edged, irredeemable, unremitting, fully paid-up c*nt.

And not by any stretch of the imagination could you call me left wing.

Edited by Cucking Funt (14 Jul 2015 10.47pm)

I think Stirling is referring to MPs as it is mainly the ones to the left (or swivel eyed as he puts it) that are against animal cruelty. On the HoL, as in the general population, I think it is pretty evenly split.

In fact, I think a lot of Tory MPs would have voted against the amendment or at least abstained.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

IS not the issue here. As has been pointed out several times, the issue is whether or not the haggis munchers should have any say on English law, and anyone with a rational mind should clearly be saying no they shouldn't.

Edited by dannyh (15 Jul 2015 8.40am)

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

Its a free vote surely, one of personal ethics, not one of 'national sovereignty' and significance.

The only thing more absurd that Labour outlawing Fox hunting is the Conservative parties move to reintroduce it.

My view is that Fox Hunting should never have been banned, but that Hunt Sabbing should have deemed legal.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (15 Jul 2015 10.17am)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Its not really a national issue though, not in any real sense, its really about whether or not people should be allowed to indulge in what is arguably the least efficient, and most cruel, form of pest control (which isn't actually all that necessary given that foxes have generally become an urban problem, rather than a resurgent problem of the country side).

I see this more as issue created by English Nationalists (or British Nationalists) opposed to the SNP, when the actual issue debated is one of ethics and pest control.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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I don't quite see the comparison. There's a world of difference between ridding one's premises of vermin and relentlessly chasing an animal over miles of countryside with the express purpose of getting a large number of dogs to rip it to bits, all in the name of 'enjoyment'.