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View twist's Profile twist Flag Miami, Florida 25 Jul 15 2.56am Send a Private Message to twist Add twist as a friend

I am sure you have heard by now of another cinema shooting, 2 women killed, 5 others injured, shooter took his own life.
We hear about these kind of things regularly now, which is depressing in and of itself, but what you dont here over there probably is the other stuff that goes on.
I live in Miami, not a month goes by where there isnt some sort of mass shooting, but in poor neighbourhoods, latin and African americans shot and killed so it really doesnt make national news for some reason.

But get this, in 2010 (for some reason this is the latest year they have complete figures for - 4 years to gather stats is a problem in and of itself):

31,000 people killed by guns in the USA.
73,500 not fatal shootings.
THats 104,500 people shot in one year, with a population of 320 million, thats one in every 3062 people get shot each year !

My sons are 14 and 16 now, and i get more concerned each year.
A few years back, someone i know at work, his son had just graduated High School top of his class, got a nice new car as a reward. He was visiting some friends in a nice neighborhood, when he left his friends house there were 2 guys sitting on his car. He told them to get the F off his car. One of the guys walked over to his car, came back and shot the kid dead. For nothing more than telling him to get the F off his car.

He shot this kid in broad daylight with multiple witnesses who new who he was.

Guns do not seem to be the problem, its mentality, upbringing and culture and society. But how do you fix that ?

My wife is Mexican, and we have talked several time now about moving to England. Mexico is not much of an option, yes it has its violence (less shootings per capita than USA however!) but 70% of Mexico is violence free. No, its just my spanish is not good enough to work there.
Now we are seriously considering moving back to England.

THere are 90 guns per 100 people in this country.
2700 kids were killed by guns in 2010. 15,000 were injured.

THe NRA and the republicans in general, want more guns. Everyone should have a gun.

Whats the answer ?

 

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Hoof Hearted 25 Jul 15 10.04am

America knows what the answer is.... but won't do it.

 

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View corkery's Profile corkery Flag Cork City 25 Jul 15 12.17pm Send a Private Message to corkery Add corkery as a friend

Selling guns to any Tom Dick or Harry is just stupid. I don't care it you're 'USA till I die', it's just stupid.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Jul 15 1.28pm

Quote twist at 25 Jul 2015 2.56am

I am sure you have heard by now of another cinema shooting, 2 women killed, 5 others injured, shooter took his own life.
We hear about these kind of things regularly now, which is depressing in and of itself, but what you dont here over there probably is the other stuff that goes on.
I live in Miami, not a month goes by where there isnt some sort of mass shooting, but in poor neighbourhoods, latin and African americans shot and killed so it really doesnt make national news for some reason.

But get this, in 2010 (for some reason this is the latest year they have complete figures for - 4 years to gather stats is a problem in and of itself):

31,000 people killed by guns in the USA.
73,500 not fatal shootings.
THats 104,500 people shot in one year, with a population of 320 million, thats one in every 3062 people get shot each year !

My sons are 14 and 16 now, and i get more concerned each year.
A few years back, someone i know at work, his son had just graduated High School top of his class, got a nice new car as a reward. He was visiting some friends in a nice neighborhood, when he left his friends house there were 2 guys sitting on his car. He told them to get the F off his car. One of the guys walked over to his car, came back and shot the kid dead. For nothing more than telling him to get the F off his car.

He shot this kid in broad daylight with multiple witnesses who new who he was.

Guns do not seem to be the problem, its mentality, upbringing and culture and society. But how do you fix that ?

My wife is Mexican, and we have talked several time now about moving to England. Mexico is not much of an option, yes it has its violence (less shootings per capita than USA however!) but 70% of Mexico is violence free. No, its just my spanish is not good enough to work there.
Now we are seriously considering moving back to England.

THere are 90 guns per 100 people in this country.
2700 kids were killed by guns in 2010. 15,000 were injured.

THe NRA and the republicans in general, want more guns. Everyone should have a gun.

Whats the answer ?

Canada.

The US needs federal gun control, ammunition restrictions and about 30 years for that to begin to make a really significant impact. If you remove 9/11 from the equation, terrorism in the US has killed 226 people since 1970 (the height of US domestic terrorism).

Guns kill about 10-15k Americans each year.


 


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View Kosowski's Profile Kosowski Flag Standing at the top of B Block 27 Jul 15 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Kosowski Add Kosowski as a friend

Quote twist at 25 Jul 2015 2.56am

I am sure you have heard by now of another cinema shooting, 2 women killed, 5 others injured, shooter took his own life.
We hear about these kind of things regularly now, which is depressing in and of itself, but what you dont here over there probably is the other stuff that goes on.
I live in Miami, not a month goes by where there isnt some sort of mass shooting, but in poor neighbourhoods, latin and African americans shot and killed so it really doesnt make national news for some reason.

But get this, in 2010 (for some reason this is the latest year they have complete figures for - 4 years to gather stats is a problem in and of itself):

31,000 people killed by guns in the USA.
73,500 not fatal shootings.
THats 104,500 people shot in one year, with a population of 320 million, thats one in every 3062 people get shot each year !

My sons are 14 and 16 now, and i get more concerned each year.
A few years back, someone i know at work, his son had just graduated High School top of his class, got a nice new car as a reward. He was visiting some friends in a nice neighborhood, when he left his friends house there were 2 guys sitting on his car. He told them to get the F off his car. One of the guys walked over to his car, came back and shot the kid dead. For nothing more than telling him to get the F off his car.

He shot this kid in broad daylight with multiple witnesses who new who he was.

Guns do not seem to be the problem, its mentality, upbringing and culture and society. But how do you fix that ?

My wife is Mexican, and we have talked several time now about moving to England. Mexico is not much of an option, yes it has its violence (less shootings per capita than USA however!) but 70% of Mexico is violence free. No, its just my spanish is not good enough to work there.
Now we are seriously considering moving back to England.

THere are 90 guns per 100 people in this country.
2700 kids were killed by guns in 2010. 15,000 were injured.

THe NRA and the republicans in general, want more guns. Everyone should have a gun.

Whats the answer ?


Really?

 


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View nairb75's Profile nairb75 Flag Baltimore 27 Jul 15 2.25pm Send a Private Message to nairb75 Add nairb75 as a friend

there's nothing more to say. it will get much worse before it gets better. maybe in 20 years or so. not being a pessimist but there's zero political momentum to put controls in place. all of the political power is on the pro-gun side.

 

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View twist's Profile twist Flag Miami, Florida 27 Jul 15 2.33pm Send a Private Message to twist Add twist as a friend

Quote Kosowski at 27 Jul 2015 1.46pm

Quote twist at 25 Jul 2015 2.56am

I am sure you have heard by now of another cinema shooting, 2 women killed, 5 others injured, shooter took his own life.
We hear about these kind of things regularly now, which is depressing in and of itself, but what you dont here over there probably is the other stuff that goes on.
I live in Miami, not a month goes by where there isnt some sort of mass shooting, but in poor neighbourhoods, latin and African americans shot and killed so it really doesnt make national news for some reason.

But get this, in 2010 (for some reason this is the latest year they have complete figures for - 4 years to gather stats is a problem in and of itself):

31,000 people killed by guns in the USA.
73,500 not fatal shootings.
THats 104,500 people shot in one year, with a population of 320 million, thats one in every 3062 people get shot each year !

My sons are 14 and 16 now, and i get more concerned each year.
A few years back, someone i know at work, his son had just graduated High School top of his class, got a nice new car as a reward. He was visiting some friends in a nice neighborhood, when he left his friends house there were 2 guys sitting on his car. He told them to get the F off his car. One of the guys walked over to his car, came back and shot the kid dead. For nothing more than telling him to get the F off his car.

He shot this kid in broad daylight with multiple witnesses who new who he was.

Guns do not seem to be the problem, its mentality, upbringing and culture and society. But how do you fix that ?

My wife is Mexican, and we have talked several time now about moving to England. Mexico is not much of an option, yes it has its violence (less shootings per capita than USA however!) but 70% of Mexico is violence free. No, its just my spanish is not good enough to work there.
Now we are seriously considering moving back to England.

THere are 90 guns per 100 people in this country.
2700 kids were killed by guns in 2010. 15,000 were injured.

THe NRA and the republicans in general, want more guns. Everyone should have a gun.

Whats the answer ?


Really?

I mean in the sense that compare to other countries that have similar gun ownership rates and do not have the same problems.
I am anti gun, but i have come to accept that you will never be rid of guns in this country, so a different approach is required.


 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Jul 15 2.34pm

Guns are a part of the problem, but they aren't all of the problem.

 


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View nairb75's Profile nairb75 Flag Baltimore 27 Jul 15 2.51pm Send a Private Message to nairb75 Add nairb75 as a friend

Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Jul 2015 2.34pm

Guns are a part of the problem, but they aren't all of the problem.

very true. people always forget about the bullets.

 

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View Pawson Palace's Profile Pawson Palace Flag Croydon 27 Jul 15 2.53pm Send a Private Message to Pawson Palace Add Pawson Palace as a friend

The fact that anyone can buy a gun at a fair and by pass all the checks is just bonkers.

Secondly, does anyone really need a fully automatic assault rifle!?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Jul 15 3.01pm

Quote Pawson Palace at 27 Jul 2015 2.53pm

The fact that anyone can buy a gun at a fair and by pass all the checks is just bonkers.

Secondly, does anyone really need a fully automatic assault rifle!?

Nope, although such weapons are fairly well restricted, by comparison. The real question is why would anyone want to own an Assault Rifle at all (or variant there of).

And what does it say about arms manufacturers that they produced a civilian version of the M-16 in order to get around potential restrictions on the ownership of such weapons.

There is no feasible reason to own an assault rifle, or one that's a civilian version that's semi-automatic. No one really hunts with them (they're not accurate enough), and they're not really suited to home defense either.


 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 27 Jul 15 3.26pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Quote twist at 27 Jul 2015 2.33pm

Quote Kosowski at 27 Jul 2015 1.46pm

Quote twist at 25 Jul 2015 2.56am

I am sure you have heard by now of another cinema shooting, 2 women killed, 5 others injured, shooter took his own life.
We hear about these kind of things regularly now, which is depressing in and of itself, but what you dont here over there probably is the other stuff that goes on.
I live in Miami, not a month goes by where there isnt some sort of mass shooting, but in poor neighbourhoods, latin and African americans shot and killed so it really doesnt make national news for some reason.

But get this, in 2010 (for some reason this is the latest year they have complete figures for - 4 years to gather stats is a problem in and of itself):

31,000 people killed by guns in the USA.
73,500 not fatal shootings.
THats 104,500 people shot in one year, with a population of 320 million, thats one in every 3062 people get shot each year !

My sons are 14 and 16 now, and i get more concerned each year.
A few years back, someone i know at work, his son had just graduated High School top of his class, got a nice new car as a reward. He was visiting some friends in a nice neighborhood, when he left his friends house there were 2 guys sitting on his car. He told them to get the F off his car. One of the guys walked over to his car, came back and shot the kid dead. For nothing more than telling him to get the F off his car.

He shot this kid in broad daylight with multiple witnesses who new who he was.

Guns do not seem to be the problem, its mentality, upbringing and culture and society. But how do you fix that ?

My wife is Mexican, and we have talked several time now about moving to England. Mexico is not much of an option, yes it has its violence (less shootings per capita than USA however!) but 70% of Mexico is violence free. No, its just my spanish is not good enough to work there.
Now we are seriously considering moving back to England.

THere are 90 guns per 100 people in this country.
2700 kids were killed by guns in 2010. 15,000 were injured.

THe NRA and the republicans in general, want more guns. Everyone should have a gun.

Whats the answer ?


Really?

I mean in the sense that compare to other countries that have similar gun ownership rates and do not have the same problems.
I am anti gun, but i have come to accept that you will never be rid of guns in this country, so a different approach is required.



It's got to be one of the few countries in the world that would hand over a fully automatic machine gun and boxes of rounds, to someone who has no idea at all how to use them. And all for a few dollars.

 


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