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Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 5.41pm

If THE VERY WELL FUNDED 'IS' wanted to attack these shores they could, easily.
You ''can't decide'' because you're dumb.



Yes they could, can and will......Partly down to the ideological stupidity of well meaning people.

You calling me dumb is like being insulted by the village idiot.

 


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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Jul 2015 12.51pm

Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 12.09pm

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Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 11.43am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Jul 2015 10.21am

Serial Thriller - so what are you suggesting is done then about the migrants in Calais then?


House them and stop causing the international tensions which result in so many fleeing their country of origin.

I have a question for those on the right who have no sympathy with these poor folk: how bad would things have to get in Britain for you to leave? Would you leave if war broke out? If bombings were frequent? Jeremy Corbyn became PM?

So what you are saying is that whoever turns up at the French port of Calais, regardless of how many there are, we should house them. Is this what you are actually suggesting?

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (26 Jul 2015 11.56am)


Yeah. We are one of the few European nations with the capacity to offer them temporary residence, and then offer them jobs so they contribute to our society or assistance if they want to return to their country once we've started to maturely deal with foreign policy. It's not ideal but it's a state of affairs we have contributed towards in many cases.

I'm guessing your alternative would be to let them drown in the sea or return to their countries and die?


First point, any country in the EU could offer them temporary residence, not just ourselves. In fact, many countries have far more space to house them than us, however it is THEY the migrants who are choosing to come to the UK.

Next point is that it would not be ‘temporary’ would it? These guys are not ever planning to go home.
You say we could offer these people jobs, but what jobs? Most cannot speak proper English and would not be able to gain employment, thus becoming an additional burden on our welfare system.
Do you honestly think anyone would employ these people who do not have a command of the English language?

If I was a genuine asylum seeker and my life and the lives of my family were in danger then I would do whatever I could to escape from the situation. However, as soon as I crossed the border into a safe country I would kneel down, kiss the ground and thank god for being safe. I wouldn’t then cross another 10 borders until I reach the UK. These people are economic migrants – not genuine asylum seekers.

You speak about letting these people return home to die but that is simply not the case. Most of these have already had the chance to claim asylum in any number of countries and have refused to do so.
Just say we did take in the 6 thousand migrants, what sort of message do you think this would send out? what if 50 thousand turned up next year, would we take these in to?

Who would pay for their housing? You and I – the tax payer. Would you be happy to pay more tax and receive less money each year?

You ask what I would do, I would invest more in security to guard our ports at either end. I would put HUGE pressure on the French and the EU to start facing their own responsibilities and to actually start deporting anyone in their countries who does not hold a current visa/passport. Ultimately though my answer would be simple – leave the EU and take control our own borders. Deport anybody who is found here illegally, and offer no incentive for people to wish to settle here unless via a legal route.

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (26 Jul 2015 12.53pm)


And that is the truth in the whole argument,If it is Oppression and violence they are fleeing from.
Then any country that offers them asylum should be the one they settle in.

Be it Italy,Greece or spain or indeed France where the people we are talking about are "camped out".

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Jul 15 5.50pm

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Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 1.26pm

Not hard to see which Hol posters would have supported establishment apathy in helping to rescue fleeing Jews had they been around during 1939-45. 'We've already got 40million - we haven't got the room for Chaim and his family of eight'

The Syrians, Iraqis and Eritreans are no different. To return them would mean at best hard labour or imprisonment and torture, or conscription for life probably. Though execution is just as likely.

Help the most needy first. That is them. We've had it pretty good for well over half a century on the whole. No harm now in helping decent people who have had their homes, families and everything else taken away from them through no fault of their own.


Hardly the same is it? The Jews were being rounded up and gassed, these are economic migrants. They can go somewhere else, we're full. We have enough of our own unskilled labour looking for jobs and they should come first, on the jobs front and on the housing front too.

Not at the time we were sending them back they weren't. Different era etc. Of course many illegals trying to get into the UK will be in a similar situation.


 


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Quote leggedstruggle at 26 Jul 2015 1.40pm

Send them round to Jeremy Corbyn's house.


 


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Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 5.33pm

So you think benefit gorging, work shy, fat, loud, aggressive and ignorant chavs and slobs a la Jeremy Kyle should be put first before some nice, decent, hard-working, family minded and bright people who may happen to have come to the UK from a different country by way of really nasty situations back home which have occurred through no fault of theirs?

So which would you prefer to live next door to if the house were empty and you had to choose between the two? Surely you would put the loud chavs first? They are UK nationals after all.

The point is about being able to decide which EU foreigners we have in here.....We already have the power to decide with non EU nationals.....As should be the case for any country.

I don't mind paying along with the rest of us for British chavs and wasters.....I object to not being able to filter out EU chavs and wasters.

Sure they don't mind working initially....The rules force them too......However, the girls can get themselves knocked up or the boys knock up some bird and bingo.

I should add that I have known and taught many fine EU nationals who I thought the nation would be lucky to stay here......I've also taught and know exactly the opposite.

The system isn't hard......Economic immigrants aren't stupid.....If you really want to stay here it isn't that hard to work out how to do it.

I just believe the nation state should look out for its own.....I totally reject the notion that EU foreigners are equal in national regard to British citizens.

If they want that equality then in my book they should look to become naturalized.


Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2015 6.13pm)

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2015 5.49pm

Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 5.41pm

If THE VERY WELL FUNDED 'IS' wanted to attack these shores they could, easily.
You ''can't decide'' because you're dumb.



Yes they could, can and will......Partly down to the ideological stupidity of well meaning people.

You calling me dumb is like being insulted by the village idiot.

You obviously have experience. I bet the village idiot wasn't wrong either.


 


Time to move forward together.

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Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 6.04pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2015 5.49pm

Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 5.41pm

If THE VERY WELL FUNDED 'IS' wanted to attack these shores they could, easily.
You ''can't decide'' because you're dumb.



Yes they could, can and will......Partly down to the ideological stupidity of well meaning people.

You calling me dumb is like being insulted by the village idiot.

You obviously have experience. I bet the village idiot wasn't wrong either.


You obviously can't see the contradiction in terms.
Perhaps this is your intellectual yardstick.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2015 6.11pm

Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 6.04pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2015 5.49pm

Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 5.41pm

If THE VERY WELL FUNDED 'IS' wanted to attack these shores they could, easily.
You ''can't decide'' because you're dumb.



Yes they could, can and will......Partly down to the ideological stupidity of well meaning people.

You calling me dumb is like being insulted by the village idiot.

You obviously have experience. I bet the village idiot wasn't wrong either.


You obviously can't see the contradiction in terms.
Perhaps this is your intellectual yardstick.

There is no contradiction.
As for my ''intellectual yardstick'', you replied to a reasonable post with an insult? Well done

 


Time to move forward together.

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 26 Jul 15 6.31pm

Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 5.33pm

Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 5.03pm

Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 1.26pm

Not hard to see which Hol posters would have supported establishment apathy in helping to rescue fleeing Jews had they been around during 1939-45. 'We've already got 40million - we haven't got the room for Chaim and his family of eight'

The Syrians, Iraqis and Eritreans are no different. To return them would mean at best hard labour or imprisonment and torture, or conscription for life probably. Though execution is just as likely.

Help the most needy first. That is them. We've had it pretty good for well over half a century on the whole. No harm now in helping decent people who have had their homes, families and everything else taken away from them through no fault of their own.


Hardly the same is it? The Jews were being rounded up and gassed, these are economic migrants. They can go somewhere else, we're full. We have enough of our own unskilled labour looking for jobs and they should come first, on the jobs front and on the housing front too.


So you think benefit gorging, work shy, fat, loud, aggressive and ignorant chavs and slobs a la Jeremy Kyle should be put first before some nice, decent, hard-working, family minded and bright people who may happen to have come to the UK from a different country by way of really nasty situations back home which have occurred through no fault of theirs?

So which would you prefer to live next door to if the house were empty and you had to choose between the two? Surely you would put the loud chavs first? They are UK nationals after all.

Why bring the Roma into this?

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jul 15 6.35pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 6.27pm

There is no contradiction.
As for my ''intellectual yardstick'', you replied to a reasonable post with an insult? Well done

If you can't see the contradiction in someone being called a hypothetical village idiot when they are in fact correct....Well, then you also don't know what a contradiction is.

You started with the 'dumb' insults so don't now complain about them. If you don't use insults then you won't get them in return.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2015 6.35pm)

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 5.33pm

Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 5.03pm

Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 1.26pm

Not hard to see which Hol posters would have supported establishment apathy in helping to rescue fleeing Jews had they been around during 1939-45. 'We've already got 40million - we haven't got the room for Chaim and his family of eight'

The Syrians, Iraqis and Eritreans are no different. To return them would mean at best hard labour or imprisonment and torture, or conscription for life probably. Though execution is just as likely.

Help the most needy first. That is them. We've had it pretty good for well over half a century on the whole. No harm now in helping decent people who have had their homes, families and everything else taken away from them through no fault of their own.


Hardly the same is it? The Jews were being rounded up and gassed, these are economic migrants. They can go somewhere else, we're full. We have enough of our own unskilled labour looking for jobs and they should come first, on the jobs front and on the housing front too.


So you think benefit gorging, work shy, fat, loud, aggressive and ignorant chavs and slobs a la Jeremy Kyle should be put first before some nice, decent, hard-working, family minded and bright people who may happen to have come to the UK from a different country by way of really nasty situations back home which have occurred through no fault of theirs?

So which would you prefer to live next door to if the house were empty and you had to choose between the two? Surely you would put the loud chavs first? They are UK nationals after all.


I was actually talking about the many people who are out of work through no fault of their own and are desperately trying to get back into work, or ex servicemen who are living on the street. But your view is that everyone whose out of work is a Jeremy Kyle type slob. A pretty sweeping generalisation that.

 

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Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Jul 2015 6.35pm

Quote -TUX- at 26 Jul 2015 6.27pm

There is no contradiction.
As for my ''intellectual yardstick'', you replied to a reasonable post with an insult? Well done

If you can't see the contradiction in someone being called a hypothetical village idiot when they are in fact correct....Well, then you also don't know what a contradiction is.

You started with the 'dumb' insults so don't now complain about them. If you don't use insults then you won't get them in return.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2015 6.35pm)


Jeez, you're dumber than i thought.
I only mentioned 'dumb' due to YOUR INITIAL INSULTS, a point you seem quite happy to ignore.......again?

Re-read the thread and what you first posted. I look forward to your apology


 


Time to move forward together.

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