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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 23 Aug 16 11.11am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

What are they going to do, keep stepping down in a very safe seat and triggering a by-election every other month so they can proclaim winning a vote?

They haven't done that well at all, when they should be murdering it as the opposition between general elections. If nick didn't spam this thread with so much s*** i'd point out where I informed nick of this previously, using his own link to denounce his assertion.

I will agree that Labour should be doing better based upon the position in the electoral cycle and the fact the Tories are so $hit.

But it is all relative. I still think JC will ensure a Labour loss at any national election. But he has not - to date - been an electoral disaster for Labour. They haven't done well, but they haven't done particularly badly either.

 


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View Johnny Eagles's Profile Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 23 Aug 16 12.22pm Send a Private Message to Johnny Eagles Add Johnny Eagles as a friend

Labour is so monumentally f*cked it's untrue.

It's basically a civil war. I can't help but find it all rather amusing. I can't tell whether the BBC wants to fan the flames to undermine Corbyn or wants to indulge in the same anti-authoritarian crap which means it's always promoting Russel sodding Brand.

All the Momentum people sound like robots. It's all anti-austerity "four legs good" drivel (not unlike, ahem, a certain poster on here). One of them on 'Any Questions' blamed Islamic radicalisation on them closing down libraries and leisure centres. They sound like they haven't had an original thought in years.

The best thing I've heard was a 'debate' on the Guardian politics podcast. An entire half hour devoted to navel-gazing and hand-wringing about the cruelty inflicted by Corbyn supporters on poor old Blairites.

The head of "London Young Labour" - some bloke called Benjamin Butterworth - summed it all up for me. He said - and I promise I am not exaggerating - something along the lines of:

"the problem with all this abuse on twitter is you realise just how important your phone is to your life. At first, you try to ignore the comments, but when they're coming in with all the usual messages from your friends... it just becomes impossible. It was horrendous. I was in tears more than once."

And these are supposed to be the inheritors of Ernest Bevin! Or Denis Healey, who stayed calm under fire on the beaches at Anzio!! Good grief.

If that's all Labour can muster in terms of its future leadership, then the sooner it collapses the better for all concerned.

 


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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 23 Aug 16 2.14pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Johnny Eagles

Labour is so monumentally f*cked it's untrue.

It's basically a civil war. I can't help but find it all rather amusing. I can't tell whether the BBC wants to fan the flames to undermine Corbyn or wants to indulge in the same anti-authoritarian crap which means it's always promoting Russel sodding Brand.

All the Momentum people sound like robots. It's all anti-austerity "four legs good" drivel (not unlike, ahem, a certain poster on here). One of them on 'Any Questions' blamed Islamic radicalisation on them closing down libraries and leisure centres. They sound like they haven't had an original thought in years.

The best thing I've heard was a 'debate' on the Guardian politics podcast. An entire half hour devoted to navel-gazing and hand-wringing about the cruelty inflicted by Corbyn supporters on poor old Blairites.

The head of "London Young Labour" - some bloke called Benjamin Butterworth - summed it all up for me. He said - and I promise I am not exaggerating - something along the lines of:

"the problem with all this abuse on twitter is you realise just how important your phone is to your life. At first, you try to ignore the comments, but when they're coming in with all the usual messages from your friends... it just becomes impossible. It was horrendous. I was in tears more than once."

And these are supposed to be the inheritors of Ernest Bevin! Or Denis Healey, who stayed calm under fire on the beaches at Anzio!! Good grief.

If that's all Labour can muster in terms of its future leadership, then the sooner it collapses the better for all concerned.

I don't think that criticism would be reserved for the youth of the Labour movement I'm afraid.

I initially thought that the solution for Labour would be to accept when Corbyn wins the leadership election, grumble a bit but try and rally around him until he loses the GE and his supporters are forced to admit it wasn't only a right wing conspiracy that he couldn't win a general election, it was just reality.

But I am becoming increasingly concerned (and it is concerning because the country needs decent political opposition, at the very least because it drives on a government to better things which the current administration needs as it flounders so badly) that it won't be enough. They're all too entrenched and they can't let go. It is just going to be bloody.

Edited by OknotOK (23 Aug 2016 2.15pm)

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 23 Aug 16 2.37pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Corbyn sits on the floor for 3 hour train journey as there are no seats.

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Turns out they walked past empty seats to film that charade and the train staff then took them to empty seats, where they sat for the journey.

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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 23 Aug 16 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

Corbyn sits on the floor for 3 hour train journey as there are no seats.

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Turns out they walked past empty seats to film that charade and the train staff then took them to empty seats, where they sat for the journey.

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Untrustworthy.

 




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View johnfirewall's Profile johnfirewall Flag 23 Aug 16 2.56pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Originally posted by Part Time James

Untrustworthy.

A lot of backlash against 'media trained' politicians making certain hand gestures from supporters of a bloke who stands with his hands in his pockets.

 

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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 23 Aug 16 4.04pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Part Time James

Untrustworthy.

At best, i'd go with liar.

He got out-bearded by Branson.

 


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Originally posted by Stuk

Corbyn sits on the floor for 3 hour train journey as there are no seats.

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Turns out they walked past empty seats to film that charade and the train staff then took them to empty seats, where they sat for the journey.

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Oh dear...

 

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Hoof Hearted 24 Aug 16 10.45am

Originally posted by Stuk

At best, i'd go with liar.

He got out-bearded by Branson.

Deary me.... his judgement was suspect based on his performance to date but he's raised the bar again on public perception of his incompetence with this latest act of stupidity.

I'm guessing he was persuaded to do this by one or more of his entourage travelling with him as a great media opportunity?

If they had thought it through then maybe it could have been a success.

From what video evidence I've seen there were clearly empty seats available on that train both reserved and unreserved as he walked by them, but not enough available close enough to seat him and his companions together - however if he had booked in advance he could have reserved a section of seats, so no fault by Virgin on that score.

Apparently other passengers chose to sit on the floor by the exit doors too... Corbyn should have engaged them in conversation and negotiated with the Guard to upgrade them to 1st class BEFORE recording his cringe worthy video that was misleading about the situation he faced and the way he dealt with it. By engaging fellow travelers and the Guard he would have shown leadership and problem solving skills as well as a bit of empathy.

Instead he confirmed yet again that he doesn't possess any qualities that would satisfy the public's requirements for a statesmanlike leader of our country who could cope in a crisis and worse he has shown himself up as a liar and easily led by his companions without thinking through the consequences.

Richard Branson was fully justified in exposing Corbyn as a liar and opportunist - after all, Virgin staff did offer to upgrade him and his companions to first class which Corbyn refused to accept and yet Corbyn allowed this fake video to be released for us all to see which was attempting to unfairly defame the Virgin brand and make a political point about nationalising the railways.

You'd think this would now hand the Labour leadership contest to his opponent Owen Smith but he made himself look a prat this morning by calling for a 2nd referendum and/or General Election to ratify Brexit before we invoke article 50 and formally leave the EU.... Thereby p1ssing off over a third of Labour voters that voted leave as well as stiffening the resolve of leave supporters generally (over 50% of the electorate) never to trust Labour to carry out their wishes!

Smith also referred to Corbyn as 'some Lunatic' at a rally yesterday but tried to distance himself from the comment on R4 Today this morning.

The bookies go Corbyn 1/7 and Smith 11/2

The Labour Party is as shambolic as Dad's Army right now, good for neither use nor ornament.

Look at the state of the polls...

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The Tories are way out in front and the gap widening day by day - Labour should be in that position at this stage of the election cycle.

The Unions, Momentum and SWP have their heads in the sand about Corbyn's popularity. Yes he's popular with them and hard line left thinking Labour stalwarts, but the voting public despise him and even ridicule him.... and not at the behest of the right wing media.... they judge his actions on their merits and conclude he is a dangerous buffoon and do not trust him.

Trouble is, the lasting damage he has inflicted on Labour's standing with the voting public generally makes it hard for their party ever to recover from this and they will struggle to mount a serious challenge for power ever again. They are already dead in Scotland.

 

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Originally posted by Stuk

At best, i'd go with liar.

He got out-bearded by Branson.

At least he isn't a bare faced liar then.

 




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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 24 Aug 16 11.51am Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Part Time James

At least he isn't a bare faced liar then.

Very good

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Aug 16 12.00pm

Absolute piffle from the anti Corbyn lot on here.

 

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