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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Aug 15 11.15am

Quote Mo_the_lawn at 04 Aug 2015 10.57am

Jeremy Corbyn will reveal in a speech today his intention to rename Birmingham as the Islamic Borough of England: “People are tired of politicians not listening to their needs, I recognise that. So I’m going to give the people of Birmingham exactly what they want and give it a name more fitting of its populous as 93% are now Muslim.” However, Palace fan, Cucking Funt, was not keen on the idea, insisting it should be renamed the Islamic Borough of Great Britain instead of England to be more inclusive of the surrounding countries in the British Isles.


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Quote Johnny Eagles at 04 Aug 2015 8.46am

The voice of common sense as usual, Stu.

Labour are crucifying themselves with this massively drawn-out contest. They constantly bang on about wanting to "have a debate" and "listen to the electorate" but all it amounts to is suicidal infighting while the Tories shift the goalposts in their own favour. Last time the Tories convinced half the electorate it was Labour's fault we had a deficit. Now they're portraying Labour as the party of welfare scroungers.

The "debate" is like a 1980s throwback. Corbyn wanting to bring back an elected shadow cabinet is Tony Benn (in whose ideal world we would all spend weekday evenings in draughty school classrooms voting on what day the bins should be taken out) and the 1981 Campaign for Labour Party Democracy all over again. There was even a bloke on radio 4 yesterday talking about "People's QE" (ie, printing money and giving it to local governments and a Green Investment Bank, who clearly know how to spend it wisely) which is like something out of the 1970s!

Even if Corbyn does win (I doubt he will and suspect the media are hyping it up) he'll be ousted before the next election.

Meanwhile, the Tories are getting away with all kinds of empty, populist nonsense (eg, this ridiculous landlord immigrant fig-leaf) while Labour sit around navel-gazing. Poor effort all round.


And the charade is going to carry on for another 5 weeks yet.

 


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Quote Stuk at 04 Aug 2015 11.56am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 04 Aug 2015 8.46am

The voice of common sense as usual, Stu.

Labour are crucifying themselves with this massively drawn-out contest. They constantly bang on about wanting to "have a debate" and "listen to the electorate" but all it amounts to is suicidal infighting while the Tories shift the goalposts in their own favour. Last time the Tories convinced half the electorate it was Labour's fault we had a deficit. Now they're portraying Labour as the party of welfare scroungers.

The "debate" is like a 1980s throwback. Corbyn wanting to bring back an elected shadow cabinet is Tony Benn (in whose ideal world we would all spend weekday evenings in draughty school classrooms voting on what day the bins should be taken out) and the 1981 Campaign for Labour Party Democracy all over again. There was even a bloke on radio 4 yesterday talking about "People's QE" (ie, printing money and giving it to local governments and a Green Investment Bank, who clearly know how to spend it wisely) which is like something out of the 1970s!

Even if Corbyn does win (I doubt he will and suspect the media are hyping it up) he'll be ousted before the next election.

Meanwhile, the Tories are getting away with all kinds of empty, populist nonsense (eg, this ridiculous landlord immigrant fig-leaf) while Labour sit around navel-gazing. Poor effort all round.


And the charade is going to carry on for another 5 weeks yet.


Agreed. And the thought the Tories may be anything other than thoroughly delighted is laughable in the extreme.

I quite like Corbyn (he's quite honest for a politician), but if he were to win the leadership election, he'd be surrounded by a plethora of Labour grandees trying to oust him before he'd even finished his acceptance speech. I doubt the Tories would have to do anything at all for the next 3 months, just stand back, grab the popcorn, and watch the show.

 

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Quote npn at 04 Aug 2015 12.23pm

Quote Stuk at 04 Aug 2015 11.56am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 04 Aug 2015 8.46am

The voice of common sense as usual, Stu.

Labour are crucifying themselves with this massively drawn-out contest. They constantly bang on about wanting to "have a debate" and "listen to the electorate" but all it amounts to is suicidal infighting while the Tories shift the goalposts in their own favour. Last time the Tories convinced half the electorate it was Labour's fault we had a deficit. Now they're portraying Labour as the party of welfare scroungers.

The "debate" is like a 1980s throwback. Corbyn wanting to bring back an elected shadow cabinet is Tony Benn (in whose ideal world we would all spend weekday evenings in draughty school classrooms voting on what day the bins should be taken out) and the 1981 Campaign for Labour Party Democracy all over again. There was even a bloke on radio 4 yesterday talking about "People's QE" (ie, printing money and giving it to local governments and a Green Investment Bank, who clearly know how to spend it wisely) which is like something out of the 1970s!

Even if Corbyn does win (I doubt he will and suspect the media are hyping it up) he'll be ousted before the next election.

Meanwhile, the Tories are getting away with all kinds of empty, populist nonsense (eg, this ridiculous landlord immigrant fig-leaf) while Labour sit around navel-gazing. Poor effort all round.


And the charade is going to carry on for another 5 weeks yet.


Agreed. And the thought the Tories may be anything other than thoroughly delighted is laughable in the extreme.

I quite like Corbyn (he's quite honest for a politician), but if he were to win the leadership election, he'd be surrounded by a plethora of Labour grandees trying to oust him before he'd even finished his acceptance speech. I doubt the Tories would have to do anything at all for the next 3 months, just stand back, grab the popcorn, and watch the show.


The amount of wives he's had I can't even see his choice of deputy sticking with him.

The Tories have been given a free opening 4 months since the election, and they'll ride this story until the new year and beyond.

 


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Quote Stuk at 04 Aug 2015 2.09pm

Quote npn at 04 Aug 2015 12.23pm

Quote Stuk at 04 Aug 2015 11.56am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 04 Aug 2015 8.46am

The voice of common sense as usual, Stu.

Labour are crucifying themselves with this massively drawn-out contest. They constantly bang on about wanting to "have a debate" and "listen to the electorate" but all it amounts to is suicidal infighting while the Tories shift the goalposts in their own favour. Last time the Tories convinced half the electorate it was Labour's fault we had a deficit. Now they're portraying Labour as the party of welfare scroungers.

The "debate" is like a 1980s throwback. Corbyn wanting to bring back an elected shadow cabinet is Tony Benn (in whose ideal world we would all spend weekday evenings in draughty school classrooms voting on what day the bins should be taken out) and the 1981 Campaign for Labour Party Democracy all over again. There was even a bloke on radio 4 yesterday talking about "People's QE" (ie, printing money and giving it to local governments and a Green Investment Bank, who clearly know how to spend it wisely) which is like something out of the 1970s!

Even if Corbyn does win (I doubt he will and suspect the media are hyping it up) he'll be ousted before the next election.

Meanwhile, the Tories are getting away with all kinds of empty, populist nonsense (eg, this ridiculous landlord immigrant fig-leaf) while Labour sit around navel-gazing. Poor effort all round.


And the charade is going to carry on for another 5 weeks yet.


Agreed. And the thought the Tories may be anything other than thoroughly delighted is laughable in the extreme.

I quite like Corbyn (he's quite honest for a politician), but if he were to win the leadership election, he'd be surrounded by a plethora of Labour grandees trying to oust him before he'd even finished his acceptance speech. I doubt the Tories would have to do anything at all for the next 3 months, just stand back, grab the popcorn, and watch the show.


The amount of wives he's had I can't even see his choice of deputy sticking with him.

The Tories have been given a free opening 4 months since the election, and they'll ride this story until the new year and beyond.

From our posts I strongly suspect our politics are a long way apart but I have to agree with you 100% on this.

It has been to the disgrace of the Labour party that they have not even put up a token opposition to some of the Tory policies since they were elected. Some of the older MP's have tried but the rest would rather bicker amongst themselves and there is no organised opposition from them.

The SNP has emerged as the only opposition, and I am no great lover of theirs, but they should be commended for taking up the slack.

 


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Quote johnno42000 at 04 Aug 2015 2.23pm

Quote Stuk at 04 Aug 2015 2.09pm

Quote npn at 04 Aug 2015 12.23pm

Quote Stuk at 04 Aug 2015 11.56am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 04 Aug 2015 8.46am

The voice of common sense as usual, Stu.

Labour are crucifying themselves with this massively drawn-out contest. They constantly bang on about wanting to "have a debate" and "listen to the electorate" but all it amounts to is suicidal infighting while the Tories shift the goalposts in their own favour. Last time the Tories convinced half the electorate it was Labour's fault we had a deficit. Now they're portraying Labour as the party of welfare scroungers.

The "debate" is like a 1980s throwback. Corbyn wanting to bring back an elected shadow cabinet is Tony Benn (in whose ideal world we would all spend weekday evenings in draughty school classrooms voting on what day the bins should be taken out) and the 1981 Campaign for Labour Party Democracy all over again. There was even a bloke on radio 4 yesterday talking about "People's QE" (ie, printing money and giving it to local governments and a Green Investment Bank, who clearly know how to spend it wisely) which is like something out of the 1970s!

Even if Corbyn does win (I doubt he will and suspect the media are hyping it up) he'll be ousted before the next election.

Meanwhile, the Tories are getting away with all kinds of empty, populist nonsense (eg, this ridiculous landlord immigrant fig-leaf) while Labour sit around navel-gazing. Poor effort all round.


And the charade is going to carry on for another 5 weeks yet.


Agreed. And the thought the Tories may be anything other than thoroughly delighted is laughable in the extreme.

I quite like Corbyn (he's quite honest for a politician), but if he were to win the leadership election, he'd be surrounded by a plethora of Labour grandees trying to oust him before he'd even finished his acceptance speech. I doubt the Tories would have to do anything at all for the next 3 months, just stand back, grab the popcorn, and watch the show.


The amount of wives he's had I can't even see his choice of deputy sticking with him.

The Tories have been given a free opening 4 months since the election, and they'll ride this story until the new year and beyond.

From our posts I strongly suspect our politics are a long way apart but I have to agree with you 100% on this.

It has been to the disgrace of the Labour party that they have not even put up a token opposition to some of the Tory policies since they were elected. Some of the older MP's have tried but the rest would rather bicker amongst themselves and there is no organised opposition from them.

The SNP has emerged as the only opposition, and I am no great lover of theirs, but they should be commended for taking up the slack.

Labour are very lucky that the SNP are hamstrung by their number of MPs, but at the same time it means the SNP can make themselves sound good while never being able to action anything they say (in Westminster) ever, unless in a future coalition.

Those two parties arguing about who sits where has been about the most active thing either party has down since this parliament formed.

 


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Interesting article:

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Quote phillanth at 27 Jul 2015 5.08pm

What's wrong with being a Marxist? Please explain?

Well, it appears that the HOL has long been the haven for many hard line crazy rightists who hate anyone who expresses any view that might be construed as being faintly liberal or left wing. Apparently the right wingers have a monopoly on political opinion and no one else matters.

It's why I generally avoid the non-football threads but every now and then I let myself down and post a comment.

I shall now don my hard hat and wait for the lunatics to shout me down.

 


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Quote phillanth at 27 Jul 2015 5.08pm

What's wrong with being a Marxist? Please explain?

Well, it appears that the HOL has long been the haven for many hard line crazy rightists who hate anyone who expresses any view that might be construed as being faintly liberal or left wing. Apparently the right wingers have a monopoly on political opinion and no one else matters.

It's why I generally avoid the non-football threads but every now and then I let myself down and post a comment.

I shall now don my hard hat and wait for the lunatics to shout me down.


No hard hat necessary, buit I don't think the "your opinion is sh!te, mine is right" attitude is a specifically left or right wing one. It's the nature of opinion - if you believe something then of course you think it's right.

It boils down to this (and has done since the dawn of time):

LEFT: right wingers have no heart, don't care about the less fortunate, and would sell their own grannies for a quick buck

RIGHT: left wingers live in cloud cuckoo land, love spending other peoples money, and tend to grow out of it once they leave university

 

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 11 Aug 15 9.42am

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Quote phillanth at 27 Jul 2015 5.08pm

What's wrong with being a Marxist? Please explain?

Well, it appears that the HOL has long been the haven for many hard line crazy rightists who hate anyone who expresses any view that might be construed as being faintly liberal or left wing. Apparently the right wingers have a monopoly on political opinion and no one else matters.

It's why I generally avoid the non-football threads but every now and then I let myself down and post a comment.

I shall now don my hard hat and wait for the lunatics to shout me down.

Nothing as such, some people believe in fairies too. Mind you, belief in fairies has not led to the greatest amounts in history of corpses, repression and general misery that Marxist has.

 


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Quote phillanth at 27 Jul 2015 5.08pm

What's wrong with being a Marxist? Please explain?

Well, it appears that the HOL has long been the haven for many hard line crazy rightists who hate anyone who expresses any view that might be construed as being faintly liberal or left wing. Apparently the right wingers have a monopoly on political opinion and no one else matters.

It's why I generally avoid the non-football threads but every now and then I let myself down and post a comment.

I shall now don my hard hat and wait for the lunatics to shout me down.

Nothing as such, some people believe in fairies too. Mind you, belief in fairies has not led to the greatest amounts in history of corpses, repression and general misery that Marxist has.

That wouldn't really be down to Marx, Marxism and Marxist theory, any more than blaming Adam Smith for the millions who die each year from preventable diseases in the third world. The blame generally lies with people who think you can force a world to change (notably Marxist Lennism, for example, presents a vanguard theory which Marx doesn't agree with. Marx views capitalism as needing to be in decline before it is replace, Lennin, Mao, Trotsky and Stalin all believed that crisis of capitalism could be provoked by a revolutionary vanguard, and the population could be 're-educated' into the interim communist state (they were of course wrong).

So in Marx we see a necessity of historical inevitability that would see communism / socialism emerge from the failure of capitalism, in much the same way that Capitalism emerged from the various forms of Aristocratic of agrarian economics with the Industrial Revolution.

Marx points towards a key factor being a post-scarcity society (ie when the production capacity of Capitalism to supply renders profit irrelivent - Probably through a technical evolution similar to the Industrial revolution - I would say something like sub-atomic manipulation technology, such as nano tech, would effectively in time make capital meaningless).

Also, Marxism isn't just applicable to left wing politics either, its also applicable to social theory, historical analayis, Archeology without necessitating a political bias (as Marxist theory view society as in conflict and opposition, rather than as a cohesive whole).

They formed the Catholic church on the basis of Augustine and Aristotle, doesn't mean that they responsible for burning witches and heretics.


 


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Looks like Corbyn will win in the 1st ballot.

 

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