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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 2.38pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Well it was Eltham! What was the opinion about Corbyn?
In general I agree ref point 2 but there's a lot of people who are where they are due to over stretching themselves.

What about the have nots who don't work? I think that this is where the left / centre / right probably disagree most. What is your take on it?

It all depends on why they don't work. They could be unable and have had benefits removed or cut. They may be ex steelworkers whose livelihoods have been taken away and not been replaced. Could be because of lack of investment in poorer areas.

I'm sure the old daily fail myth of generations of the same family not working has been debunked.

What are the figures for those out of work for more than two years?

In Eltham most I spoke to agreed that they didn't like what is going on with cuts etc and that policies that Corbyn proposes are a positive step. A fair few said he was unelectable but couldn't go beyond the he's scruffy or other sort of media guff type answers. Those who said they didn't support Labour gave he's a commie type answers.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 2.39pm

Originally posted by OldFella

The chap who invented predictive text died last week - his funfair is next monkey

I'll get my coat...

Hehe

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 2.43pm

Originally posted by OldFella


Education, education, education - we're relying on you

No full stop!

 

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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 01 Oct 16 4.57pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Labour came round mine today. I told them theT they were doing a great job and should be 'more left wing'.

The two canvassers lapped up my answers and went off giddy with glee that they thought they had a new voter.

The fools.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Originally posted by matt_himself

Labour came round mine today. I told them theT they were doing a great job and should be 'more left wing'.

The two canvassers lapped up my answers and went off giddy with glee that they thought they had a new voter.

The fools.

Of course you did. Fantasist and a liar.

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

Of course you did. Fantasist and a liar.

...and I am the troll....

 


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Originally posted by matt_himself

...and I am the troll....

At last. An admission. Well done you.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 6.20pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

At last. An admission. Well done you.

But does he still love me?

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 01 Oct 16 6.58pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

It all depends on why they don't work. They could be unable and have had benefits removed or cut. They may be ex steelworkers whose livelihoods have been taken away and not been replaced. Could be because of lack of investment in poorer areas.

I'm sure the old daily fail myth of generations of the same family not working has been debunked.

What are the figures for those out of work for more than two years?

In Eltham most I spoke to agreed that they didn't like what is going on with cuts etc and that policies that Corbyn proposes are a positive step. A fair few said he was unelectable but couldn't go beyond the he's scruffy or other sort of media guff type answers. Those who said they didn't support Labour gave he's a commie type answers.

There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it.

There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 7.13pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it.

There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians

Corbyn was attending the education rally in Newcastle I believe.

 

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View leifandersonshair's Profile leifandersonshair Flag Newport 01 Oct 16 7.16pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it.

There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians

Sadly all too true. While I think the welfare state (and the NHS) are probably amongst the greatest things in Britain today, there are always those who will abuse the system.

Perhaps some sort of Chinese style 3 child cap (in terms of support, that is) is required- i.e. you get child benefits etc for the first 3, but after that you pay for them yourselves.

There is a strong argument for the welfare state being 'tightened up' around the edges- unfortunately, Labour are never interested, and the Tories just want to cut the whole thing.

And no government is strong enough to really look at and reform the biggest welfare drain- state pensions. I get the argument that 'people have paid in for 40 years and should get the benefits'- but I'm currently 30+ years away from state pension age and will probably end up paying in for 45-50 years thanks to later pension ages. Shouldn't I get the benefit too?

Whereas probable situation is, I won't be able to claim state pension until I'm 70 (or even later) and will probably end up with less in real terms than todays pensioners.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 7.20pm

A fallacy I'm afraid Leifandersonshair and Y Ddraig Goch perpetuated by the mail et al.


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A set of recurring 'myths' often distorts public debate on the benefits system, according to a new briefing from the Centre for Labour and Social Studies in conjunction with Red Pepper Magazine. The briefing highlights 12 myths widely used by politicians and in the media to justify the rolling back of the welfare state.
Key myths about benefits

'There are generations of workless, work-shy families'
Among households with two or more generations of working age, there are only 0.3 per cent where neither generation has worked.
'Benefits are too generous'
For the vast majority of families, taking a paid job would leave them significantly better off than receiving benefits.
'Spending on benefits is out of control'
Total benefit spending in 2011-12 accounted for 10.4 per cent of national income – lower than in the mid-1980s (11 per cent) and mid-1990s (12 per cent), despite the latest economic recession.
'The benefit bill is high because of cheats and fraudsters'
In 2011-12 just 0.7 per cent of the benefits bill was overpaid due to fraud – £1 billion compared with £70 billion lost through illegal tax evasion.
'Universal benefits are expensive and inefficient'
Universal benefits are highly efficient and require much less administration than selective benefits, which also lead to stigmatisation and reduced take-up.
'Most claimants are sitting at home on benefits for years'
Fewer than half of jobseeker’s allowance claimants claim for more than 13 weeks, and fewer than 10 per cent for more than a year.
'Many people choose to claim disability benefits rather than work'
Many employment and support allowance claimants have low employability in areas of few jobs. They may not be completely incapable of work, but they are certainly penalised by a labour market that has no place for them.
'Most benefit spending goes on the unemployed'
Out-of-work benefits account for under a quarter of all benefits spending. The biggest part – 53 per cent – actually goes to pensioners.
'The number of people claiming out-of-work benefits is increasing year on year'
In 1995, two years after the peak of the last recession, 17 per cent of people aged 16–64 were claiming an out-of-work benefit: by 2008 this was 11 per cent, and the 2008 recession only increased it to 12 per cent.
'We are spending vast amounts on huge families with hordes of children'
Families with more than five children account for just 1 per cent of out-of-work benefit claims. 91 per cent of benefit-claiming households have three or fewer children.
'The benefits system encourages couples to split up'
The DWP's own research has concluded that 'there is no consistent and robust evidence to support claims that the welfare system has a significant impact upon family structure'.
'Work is always the best route out of poverty'
Most children and working-age adults in poverty live in working, not workless, households. Low pay is a significant cause of poverty, with a fifth of workers paid less than a 'living wage'.

Source: Exposing the Myths of Welfare, Centre for Labour and Social Studies/Red Pepper Magazine

 

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