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Originally posted by legaleagle

Yes,but Maggie went somewhat beyond making "diplomatic noises" to the scumbag in question

You have to remember the Falklands and the wider politics involved.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Dec 16 2.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We all know what Corbyn is. No surprise at all that he would praise Castro. That's why he will never be Prime Minister.
He and his little band of half wit Marxist supporters and the hangers on like Dianne Abbott are to be thanked. They will keep Labour out of power for decades.

Lily?

 

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Originally posted by legaleagle

Yes,but Maggie went somewhat beyond making "diplomatic noises" to the scumbag in question

We could all trot this stuff out. Like the reports that emerged this week of 'statesman' Ken Livingston's aides cheering when 9/11 happened.

However, Legal, it displays a lack of depth when debating matters.

 


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.TUX. Flag 03 Dec 16 2.41pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Better than what?

Of course they toe the line, it would be naive to think otherwise, but you are second guessing people who had the bigger picture. I would not be so foolish as to assume I know better. We can all have an opinion but if you think you are qualified to judge the decisions, then that's great.

Hardly. I asked why, if they were that good, are we in the same (if not worse!) position than before? A question you've chosen to ignore.
It's probably a good job that you have tbh.


 


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Originally posted by .TUX.

Hardly. I asked why, if they were that good, are we in the same (if not worse!) position than before? A question you've chosen to ignore.
It's probably a good job that you have tbh.


I believe the term is hindsight.

Can you be sure that we are worse off? The banking system is not something I can claim to be an expert on.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Dec 16 3.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have to remember the Falklands and the wider politics involved.

To an extent, of course by the time we were harbour Pinochet, he was a spent force, with minimal political value to us in terms of global politics. Necessary evils are only as good as their immediate value. In terms of the international political scene, the right decision was to hand him over, and capitalise on that.

Dictators may be useful, and occasionally necessary evil, but they don't deserve loyalty and protection when their value has expired.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Dec 16 3.06pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I believe the term is hindsight.

Can you be sure that we are worse off? The banking system is not something I can claim to be an expert on.

The UK was in an almost unique historical position, and made the right decision. Not bailing the banks out would have created unknowable and unpredictable consequences, that included catastrophic destruction of the UK economy, and a knock on effect to the world economy.

Even in hindsight, the decision to take the predictable outcome, of a financial hit, loss of confidence but with the assurance of stability only the state could provide was the right one.

Had those banks gone to the wall it was entirely plausible that their collapse would have hit the banks that didn't need to be bailed out and ripped through the UK financial interests (which is our primary economic generator). The entire economic status of the UK wasn't worth risking.

Now some of the decisions around that bail out can be questioned - but not the idea of ensuring an entirely unpredictable and possibly totally devastating outcome didn't occur

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

To an extent, of course by the time we were harbour Pinochet, he was a spent force, with minimal political value to us in terms of global politics. Necessary evils are only as good as their immediate value. In terms of the international political scene, the right decision was to hand him over, and capitalise on that.

Dictators may be useful, and occasionally necessary evil, but they don't deserve loyalty and protection when their value has expired.

You could argue that, but you could also recognise the importance of sending out a message to any potential future allies that you don't abandon them when they are in need. The British do have rather a bad reputation for duplicity.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The UK was in an almost unique historical position, and made the right decision. Not bailing the banks out would have created unknowable and unpredictable consequences, that included catastrophic destruction of the UK economy, and a knock on effect to the world economy.

Even in hindsight, the decision to take the predictable outcome, of a financial hit, loss of confidence but with the assurance of stability only the state could provide was the right one.

Had those banks gone to the wall it was entirely plausible that their collapse would have hit the banks that didn't need to be bailed out and ripped through the UK financial interests (which is our primary economic generator). The entire economic status of the UK wasn't worth risking.

Now some of the decisions around that bail out can be questioned - but not the idea of ensuring an entirely unpredictable and possibly totally devastating outcome didn't occur


Well I agree with you for what it's worth.

 

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.TUX. Flag 03 Dec 16 5.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I believe the term is hindsight.

Can you be sure that we are worse off? The banking system is not something I can claim to be an expert on.

Following certain economic patterns and noting the problems they can cause isn't really 'hindsight' tbf.
And yes, things are far worse than they were in 2008. It's just a question of time as to when this latest (manufactured) implosion will happen.

 


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.TUX. Flag 03 Dec 16 6.16pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The UK was in an almost unique historical position, and made the right decision. Not bailing the banks out would have created unknowable and unpredictable consequences, that included catastrophic destruction of the UK economy, and a knock on effect to the world economy.

Even in hindsight, the decision to take the predictable outcome, of a financial hit, loss of confidence but with the assurance of stability only the state could provide was the right one.

Had those banks gone to the wall it was entirely plausible that their collapse would have hit the banks that didn't need to be bailed out and ripped through the UK financial interests (which is our primary economic generator). The entire economic status of the UK wasn't worth risking.

Now some of the decisions around that bail out can be questioned - but not the idea of ensuring an entirely unpredictable and possibly totally devastating outcome didn't occur

Bailing-out the banks was ridiculous and has put us in a worse position than before as they've just carried on from where they left off, but this time on an even bigger scale.
The best option would've been to compensate the account holders who stood to lose their capital (Socialism again Hrolf) and let the banks sink. A short sharp 'headline making' shock for the economy would've been preferable to the past few years of being in greater debt yet still no further down the road to recovery.

But sadly that'll never happen because that's not how 'the system' works.

 


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legaleagle Flag 03 Dec 16 6.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have to remember the Falklands and the wider politics involved.

But,then,when it comes to Castro and the wider politics of the Us trying to undermine and topple him for 50 years,you give it nil weight...ho hum...

 

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