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 steeleye20  Croydon 24 Apr 17 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
300000 'commies' voted for Corbyn. Funny I thought there weren't that many in the UK. circa 700 only members of the communist party UK not many is it. Looking at modern life I do have my Commie moments.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 24 Apr 17 8.29pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
A lot of those commies were ex-Labour party members who left in the Blairite era. Its hard for people outside of the Labour party to understand how divisive Blair and the New Way was (especially among Trade Union members, the old left and far left wing). He might be a knob, but then so are the parliamentary labour party who've basically turned around to the Labour party membership, who have twice elected Corbyn and said f**k what you want. Which pretty much sums up Blairites. There is truth in that and I suppose you could say that Blair chose electability over traditional socialist values. The trouble is that those values are not as popular with the wealthier working class as they once were when times were harder. The Thatcher years changed politics. Britain's wealth and reboot as a respected nation is an indictment of Labour policy of the 70's and why the likes of Corbyn will never be elected again for a couple of generations if ever. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Apr 2017 8.29pm)
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 24 Apr 17 9.47pm |
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Originally posted by miss smith
red dragon with respect i find the levels of ignorance about the history of troubles very distressing, i do not wish to respond to your posts about about this subject anymore, as it is too emotive Edited by miss smith (24 Apr 2017 5.09pm) That is your Perogative. I have no problem with that, I do have a problem with the insinuation that I am ignorant regarding Northern Ireland. I would never claim to be an expert, but I am far from ignorant Hopefully we can debate other subjects in General Talk.
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| Bert the Head Epsom 29 Apr 17 12.41am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is truth in that and I suppose you could say that Blair chose electability over traditional socialist values. The trouble is that those values are not as popular with the wealthier working class as they once were when times were harder. The Thatcher years changed politics. Britain's wealth and reboot as a respected nation is an indictment of Labour policy of the 70's and why the likes of Corbyn will never be elected again for a couple of generations if ever. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Apr 2017 8.29pm) I would argue that in the 1990s neo-libealiasm was still new and was beyond challenge. Of course in reality it was a rehash of policies that failed in the 1930s and failed again in 2008. That is why Corbyn is great. He has the guts to the challenge a failed orthodoxy. People were still rich after the 1930s as they were after 2008 but for fkuck sake lets not pretend that system works. Jeremy is fighting against it while May hides behind a bias media and says nothing - just as she did during the Euro debate. To Kim Jong May strong leadership is doing nothing while the Daily mail and Telegraph shout your arguments; after all they gave them to you in the first place so surely they relay them better.
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kenbarr  Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 06 May 17 11.16am |
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The problem I see with Corbyn is that he doesn't inspire voter confidence. I watched a report on BBC World where a reporter canvassed several areas around Britain, including Scotland & Wales, and the people interviewed overwhelming felt that he is not a leader. A few went so far to say that ordering the three line whip on the Brexit Bill told them he's a male version of Theresa May, which I find baffling. It would seem that even in traditional Labour heartlands that they are battling widespread voter disenchantment and have a credibility gap. Given what happened in the latest Council Elections, the momentum is with the Tories. Right now, I can see them gaining a majority of 40 to 50 unless Labour and the Lib Dems get serious about truly challenging the Tories on bedrock issues rather than, in Labour's case, promising four new bank holidays. For a country with Election fatigue, Corbyn has been less than inspiring and at the rate he's going Labour is headed for an embarrassment.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 May 17 11.19am |
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Originally posted by kenbarr
The problem I see with Corbyn is that he doesn't inspire voter confidence. I watched a report on BBC World where a reporter canvassed several areas around Britain, including Scotland & Wales, and the people interviewed overwhelming felt that he is not a leader. A few went so far to say that ordering the three line whip on the Brexit Bill told them he's a male version of Theresa May, which I find baffling. It would seem that even in traditional Labour heartlands that they are battling widespread voter disenchantment and have a credibility gap. Given what happened in the latest Council Elections, the momentum is with the Tories. Right now, I can see them gaining a majority of 40 to 50 unless Labour and the Lib Dems get serious about truly challenging the Tories on bedrock issues rather than, in Labour's case, promising four new bank holidays. For a country with Election fatigue, Corbyn has been less than inspiring and at the rate he's going Labour is headed for an embarrassment. It has been said that based on the 'Local' results, the Conservatives will get a majority of 48.
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 06 May 17 11.31am |
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Originally posted by kenbarr
The problem I see with Corbyn is that he doesn't inspire voter confidence. I watched a report on BBC World where a reporter canvassed several areas around Britain, including Scotland & Wales, and the people interviewed overwhelming felt that he is not a leader. A few went so far to say that ordering the three line whip on the Brexit Bill told them he's a male version of Theresa May, which I find baffling. It would seem that even in traditional Labour heartlands that they are battling widespread voter disenchantment and have a credibility gap. Given what happened in the latest Council Elections, the momentum is with the Tories. Right now, I can see them gaining a majority of 40 to 50 unless Labour and the Lib Dems get serious about truly challenging the Tories on bedrock issues rather than, in Labour's case, promising four new bank holidays. For a country with Election fatigue, Corbyn has been less than inspiring and at the rate he's going Labour is headed for an embarrassment. In Wales the slogan is Carwyn not Corbyn. To give you an idea of how bad that is, it isn't long ago Carwyn James was fairly unpopular amongst Labour voters
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 06 May 17 11.59am |
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Labour getting done over in the council elections so god help them in the General election in a few weeks time. But there again I do not think God helping them will make it look any better!
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 26 May 17 6.07pm |
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The greatest political underdog in UK history?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 26 May 17 6.15pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The greatest political underdog in UK history? Leicester City
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 26 May 17 7.00pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The greatest political underdog in UK history? Clement Attlee. No one gave him a snowballs in 1945.
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| matt_himself Matataland 26 May 17 7.07pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The greatest political underdog in UK history? Firstly, I didn't think you liked him. Secondly, judge on June 9.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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