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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Online Flag Dulwich 04 Apr 20 11.59am Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

You know he’s a good choice when he’s put the willies up the derrière of our Tory cheerleader from the Victorian era.

How do you know that? The announcement has only just been made, hasn't it?

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 04 Apr 20 12.18pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Not as a leader, no.


Good job he didn’t become PM then.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 04 Apr 20 1.05pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

The most wondrous, beautiful thing about Starmer is that he was the primary driving force behind Labour’s suicidal Brexit policy for the 2019 election. A policy of such utter and almost unbelievable stupidity that it takes the breath away.

In 2015 Labour were wiped out in Scotland. 40 seats that it had relied on from time immemorial lost and with no sign of them coming back to the fold. Scotland effectively a no-go area for Labour. Meaning that if they ever wanted to form a government again, they needed to win in England. And win big. That had to be their entire focus.

And in 2017, on the back of a simple straightforward policy of respecting the 2016 referendum, they did bloody well although even then there were danger signs around seats in the West Midlands. Enough Canaries in coal mines showing signs of asphyxiation to warn that there was zero gain to be had by trying to renege on that pledge.

Also let us not forget that if you broke down the 2016 vote on a constituency basis, then the Leave win was more like 60-40 rather than 52-48 and even more so in England. Which, and I hate to labour (no pun intended) the point, where Labour need to smash electorally. You want to win a UK election, you need to win England. It is not that complicated to work that out. Basic mathematics allied with the most simple minded understanding of how our political process ACTUALLY works as opposed to how you might want it to, especially given that it was the Tories who managed to claw back a few seats in Scotland. England has to be the alpha and the omega of future Labour political policy.


Then we have the 2019 Euro elections and England votes overwhelmingly for the Brexit Party. With what follows in terms of Parliament constantly trying to prevent Brexit from happening meaning that the entire population is utterly f***ed off. So what do Labour then offer? Even more Brexit for months and months followed by a rigged second vote that would have been boycotted by millions, settling nothing at all beyond cementing the divide even more. No end to it.


This was Starmers idea. Pushed and pushed for this. Thought it would win them votes. Briefed against his own party, spoke out at conference. Moronic beyond comparison in modern political times.

Then comes December 2019. LOL. Labour get spanked. Absolutely wiped out. Humiliated. And what do they then do? Reward the prime mover for that state of affairs with the leadership.

The 50% of Labour members who voted for Starmer are divs. As simple as that. The others ain’t that bright either but at least they are not rewarding the party idiot in chief with the leadership.

Labour 2020. If they were anymore funny, they would be tragic.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Originally posted by Matov

Labour 2020. If they were anymore funny, they would be tragic.

Good summary. He has a mountain to climb and Momentum won't go away, elections are meaningless to many of their supporters so they will dig into the party bureaucracy and hold the levers of power he will have to wrench them away.

 


One more point

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Apr 20 3.57pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

When Corbyn resigned, practically every Labour MP, when asked, said that the next leader must be a woman. They are all very quite about that now.

Quite what??

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Apr 20 4.01pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Good job he didn’t become PM then.

I feel history will be kind to him, with his constant bleating about a better funded and prepared NHS, time will tell when we count the bodies!

 

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Originally posted by croydon proud

I feel history will be kind to him, with his constant bleating about a better funded and prepared NHS, time will tell when we count the bodies!

Nobody remembers the losers.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 04 Apr 20 5.02pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

I feel history will be kind to him, with his constant bleating about a better funded and prepared NHS, time will tell when we count the bodies!

In the same way Julian Clary would have been a great boxing champion if he’d only had the chance.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 04 Apr 20 5.53pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

I feel history will be kind to him, with his constant bleating about a better funded and prepared NHS, time will tell when we count the bodies!

The thing is that nobody could see this current f*** up coming and that with the glorious gift of hindsight, then yes, things could have been done differently. But that is the same of almost any and every country.

Also, once we are over this crisis, we are in new political waters. And ones in which certain ideas that Corbyn was proposing might find a more sympathetic ear for. Problem is that the Left are so rigid in terms of their wider orthodoxy around identity politics that they will simply remain unelectable.

They have gone so far to the extremes on many issues they are simply institutionally unable to step back from them. They lack the political nous to take advantage of it and into the void will step elements of the far-right who have always been economically far closer to the left than people realise.

But that recipie of socially conservative values allied with left-wing economic policies has a rather unfortunate history. Because whilst people might want a lot more Government intervention in the coming years I also suspect that notions such as more open borders and so on will not go down well.

Globalization, as it is currently understood, is dead in the water. The battle for what follows it is what will define the next 100 years. And the Left lack the populist instinct to benefit from that. All they are proposing is even more of it.


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Originally posted by DanH

Pleased it’s Big Kier. Someone competent to put the boot up the charlatan in charge will hopefully help.

Comedy gold.

A knighted millionaire who wanted to defy democracy to further his career is the new saviour of the working class.

Please. Never stop being funny.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Comedy gold.

A knighted millionaire who wanted to defy democracy to further his career is the new saviour of the working class.

Please. Never stop being funny.

But,but,but.Don't forget his dad was a toolmaker.

 


Pro USA & Israel

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 04 Apr 20 7.02pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Comedy gold.

A knighted millionaire who wanted to defy democracy to further his career is the new saviour of the working class.

Please. Never stop being funny.

Far more qualified to run the country than the second rate journalist currently attempting it.

 

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