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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 22 Aug 15 8.58pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 22 Aug 2015 7.45pm

China will not allow north Korea to be defeated.
It will go the way it always does lots of gesturing & bollocks on both sides before it dies down again for a year or two.

Couldn't China be brought down too? Historically as bad as North Korea.

 


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Quote leggedstruggle at 22 Aug 2015 8.58pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 22 Aug 2015 7.45pm

China will not allow north Korea to be defeated.
It will go the way it always does lots of gesturing & bollocks on both sides before it dies down again for a year or two.

Couldn't China be brought down too? Historically as bad as North Korea.

Im confident we could but the cost would be astronomical, we would all be f***ed.


Edited by Ouzo Dan (22 Aug 2015 9.16pm)

 


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Quote Ouzo Dan at 22 Aug 2015 8.36pm

Russia vs Europe backed by the United states is where it will all start.


This one is good enough to be a thread on its own.

I think the most likely start of WW3 is the battle for the arctic resources.

Im hoping we nail down green energy before then, Fusion reactors remain painfully close yet out of reach.

If we start scraping those barrels of oil, literally every nation on the planet will be at each others throats.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 22 Aug 2015 7.51pm

The huge number of concentration camps dotted around the country make you wrong.

Pyongyang is where the favoured live. The regime is strong everywhere within its borders, unfortunately.

Another by-product of (old) US foreign policy.

Edited by Kermit8 (22 Aug 2015 7.51pm)


So you think those starving in the country side....Those with relatives in concentration camps are strong supporters of the North Korea regime?

Rather simplistically Kermy....If North Korea were strong outside of the capital....They wouldn't need concentration camps......It doesn't tend to be a place where you put your supporters.

Outside of Pyongyang......The will to fight or indeed.....the technology to fight isn't significant.

In a war with the west the North Koreans would quickly lose air superiority......They would be quickly running to China like last time.


The problem with having relatives in a concentration camp in North Korea is that you are on the guest list too. Seoul is very near to
the border. Huge damage could be done before any reaction air superiority or not.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 22 Aug 2015 7.51pm

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Quote Kermit8 at 22 Aug 2015 5.00pm

Agreed Maple. One million strong army and a brainwashed population. It's like Japan from the 1930's but this lot have one extra weapon they didn't. They will suicide themselves and nuke Seoul probably.


Not really.

The regime is only strong in its capital.

The million strong army is nothing like as strong as western might if it came to it.

In fact, the longer we wait for this regime to fall then the more certain it is that they will develop the technology to accurately deliver their nuclear capability.

Whatever happens......Something has to give eventually.


The huge number of concentration camps dotted around the country make you wrong.

Pyongyang is where the favoured live. The regime is strong everywhere within its borders, unfortunately.

Another by-product of (old) US foreign policy.

Edited by Kermit8 (22 Aug 2015 7.51pm)

I may have misunderstood what you mean but it seems to me that you have granted the U.S. too much credibility and influence with regards to developments on the Korean Peninsula. Cold War antics often require a more 'pericentric' understanding, to borrow Tony Smith's terminology. Unlike their campaigns around the Americas (Guatemala 1954, The Bay of Pigs etc.), which saw the U.S. obsession with the Monroe Doctrine and hemispheric security give birth to an aggressive policy which Chomsky has called the 'Mafia Doctrine', conflict in the Korean Peninsula in 1950 was more the result of peripheral leaders such as Syngman Rhee and Kim Il Sung dragging their superpower allies into a conflict no one wanted. Actually, given the U.S. obsession at the time with 'rolling back Communism', it's surprising they never pushed on into China once they had managed to force the conflict above the 38th parallel. Factor in the consideration that the U.S. were attempting to create a democratic state next door in Japan, which would have undoubtedly been threatened by an expansionist N. Korea, and I think U.S. action in Korea to be fair and understandable. I don't have blanket support for the U.S. but I'm intrigued to know why you see them as responsible for the state of North Korea, and not the various Soviet and Chinese leaders that have propped them up over the years.

 

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Quote leggedstruggle at 22 Aug 2015 8.58pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 22 Aug 2015 7.45pm

China will not allow north Korea to be defeated.
It will go the way it always does lots of gesturing & bollocks on both sides before it dies down again for a year or two.

Couldn't China be brought down too? Historically as bad as North Korea.

Im confident we could but the cost would be astronomical, we would all be f***ed.


Edited by Ouzo Dan (22 Aug 2015 9.16pm)


What good would 'bringing down' China have on the world?

You realise the amount of money China puts into the UK economy right?

 

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My nephew is an English teacher in S. K


No way! Do you know where? I used to teach English there a few years back.

I love the country and they actually have a real love for their Northern cousins, most South Koreans would like their countries reunited. That won't be happening any time soon though.

He's in a place called Gojae. He says it's a it slow paced compared to Bucheon and Seoul it's his 2nd time out there he was out there a few yrs ago for 2 yrs

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 22 Aug 2015 7.51pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Aug 2015 6.50pm

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Aug 2015 5.00pm

Agreed Maple. One million strong army and a brainwashed population. It's like Japan from the 1930's but this lot have one extra weapon they didn't. They will suicide themselves and nuke Seoul probably.


Not really.

The regime is only strong in its capital.

The million strong army is nothing like as strong as western might if it came to it.

In fact, the longer we wait for this regime to fall then the more certain it is that they will develop the technology to accurately deliver their nuclear capability.

Whatever happens......Something has to give eventually.


The huge number of concentration camps dotted around the country make you wrong.

Pyongyang is where the favoured live. The regime is strong everywhere within its borders, unfortunately.

Another by-product of (old) US foreign policy.

Edited by Kermit8 (22 Aug 2015 7.51pm)

I may have misunderstood what you mean but it seems to me that you have granted the U.S. too much credibility and influence with regards to developments on the Korean Peninsula. Cold War antics often require a more 'pericentric' understanding, to borrow Tony Smith's terminology. Unlike their campaigns around the Americas (Guatemala 1954, The Bay of Pigs etc.), which saw the U.S. obsession with the Monroe Doctrine and hemispheric security give birth to an aggressive policy which Chomsky has called the 'Mafia Doctrine', conflict in the Korean Peninsula in 1950 was more the result of peripheral leaders such as Syngman Rhee and Kim Il Sung dragging their superpower allies into a conflict no one wanted. Actually, given the U.S. obsession at the time with 'rolling back Communism', it's surprising they never pushed on into China once they had managed to force the conflict above the 38th parallel. Factor in the consideration that the U.S. were attempting to create a democratic state next door in Japan, which would have undoubtedly been threatened by an expansionist N. Korea, and I think U.S. action in Korea to be fair and understandable. I don't have blanket support for the U.S. but I'm intrigued to know why you see them as responsible for the state of North Korea, and not the various Soviet and Chinese leaders that have propped them up over the years.

Interesting stuff.

I was thinking more of the extreme paranoia and anti-US stance that is still so strong. You have to wonder what events came to pass to make a country so mentally ill.

One possibly could be that the U.S. attacked - with bullets and bombs - column after column of fleeing refugees of all ages until well over one million of them lay dead and splattered. This massacre was approved from the very top.

The reason? They thought that maybe some commies were hiding amongst the refugees so best just to kill them all.

Nice.

 


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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 23 Aug 15 8.26am

Quote Kermit8 at 23 Aug 2015 8.17am

Quote SwalecliffeEagle at 23 Aug 2015 5.58am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Aug 2015 7.51pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Aug 2015 6.50pm

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Aug 2015 5.00pm

Agreed Maple. One million strong army and a brainwashed population. It's like Japan from the 1930's but this lot have one extra weapon they didn't. They will suicide themselves and nuke Seoul probably.


Not really.

The regime is only strong in its capital.

The million strong army is nothing like as strong as western might if it came to it.

In fact, the longer we wait for this regime to fall then the more certain it is that they will develop the technology to accurately deliver their nuclear capability.

Whatever happens......Something has to give eventually.


The huge number of concentration camps dotted around the country make you wrong.

Pyongyang is where the favoured live. The regime is strong everywhere within its borders, unfortunately.

Another by-product of (old) US foreign policy.

Edited by Kermit8 (22 Aug 2015 7.51pm)

I may have misunderstood what you mean but it seems to me that you have granted the U.S. too much credibility and influence with regards to developments on the Korean Peninsula. Cold War antics often require a more 'pericentric' understanding, to borrow Tony Smith's terminology. Unlike their campaigns around the Americas (Guatemala 1954, The Bay of Pigs etc.), which saw the U.S. obsession with the Monroe Doctrine and hemispheric security give birth to an aggressive policy which Chomsky has called the 'Mafia Doctrine', conflict in the Korean Peninsula in 1950 was more the result of peripheral leaders such as Syngman Rhee and Kim Il Sung dragging their superpower allies into a conflict no one wanted. Actually, given the U.S. obsession at the time with 'rolling back Communism', it's surprising they never pushed on into China once they had managed to force the conflict above the 38th parallel. Factor in the consideration that the U.S. were attempting to create a democratic state next door in Japan, which would have undoubtedly been threatened by an expansionist N. Korea, and I think U.S. action in Korea to be fair and understandable. I don't have blanket support for the U.S. but I'm intrigued to know why you see them as responsible for the state of North Korea, and not the various Soviet and Chinese leaders that have propped them up over the years.

Interesting stuff.

I was thinking more of the extreme paranoia and anti-US stance that is still so strong. You have to wonder what events came to pass to make a country so mentally ill.

One possibly could be that the U.S. attacked - with bullets and bombs - column after column of fleeing refugees of all ages until well over one million of them lay dead and splattered. This massacre was approved from the very top.

The reason? They thought that maybe some commies were hiding amongst the refugees so best just to kill them all.

Nice.

It is not as if all the other totalitarian, nut-job communist countries were anti-US is it?

 


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Hoof Hearted 23 Aug 15 9.57am

I used to go out with a girl called Kim from The Borough in the 70's..... I wonder what she's doing now... sigh...

She was a bit mental, but very pretty.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 23 Aug 15 10.10am

Well I don't buy into the western propaganda which portrays the North Korean regime as a rogue nation and their leader as some sort of nutter.

We carry this belief that the West is good and other nations that don't subscribe to a western democratic society is somehow wrong and their leaders are maniacs who would bomb you and their only goal is to destroy our way of life. Complete nonsense. Our leaders and society is just as bad, if not worse. We arm ourselves with massive nukes and invade other countries and start wars, yet we have the temerity to accuse other nations of something they might do because they're a bit different to us and keep themselves to themselves.

WE are the aggressors in this world and OUR leaders are the despots.

 


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Hoof Hearted 23 Aug 15 10.25am

Quote Pussay Patrol at 23 Aug 2015 10.10am

Well I don't buy into the western propaganda which portrays the North Korean regime as a rogue nation and their leader as some sort of nutter.

We carry this belief that the West is good and other nations that don't subscribe to a western democratic society is somehow wrong and their leaders are maniacs who would bomb you and their only goal is to destroy our way of life. Complete nonsense. Our leaders and society is just as bad, if not worse. We arm ourselves with massive nukes and invade other countries and start wars, yet we have the temerity to accuse other nations of something they might do because they're a bit different to us and keep themselves to themselves.

WE are the aggressors in this world and OUR leaders are the despots.


The mere fact that you are able to fully access the internet and post your opinions without censure makes the above statement incorrect.

I think you might also struggle to find the North Korean diet palatable as they have massive shortages of anything other than basic dietary foodstuffs like rice and grain.... although this doesn't apply to the high ranking officials and Kim himself.

However... you keep believing that we are the ones causing all the suffering....

 

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