Ironically, UKIP Nige seems to think we should be taking in more Syrian Refugees, and has called on the Prime Minister to do so.

We should never confuse immigration with Asylum.

Do you not think that that is one child too many?

Through our bad decision making as nations we have done more to help the ISIS of today come into being than these people who just want to get on with life. I honestly don't blame them for wanting to get out.

It takes guts to make this journey too you know. Many have died whatever decision they made. You're not in a warzone, it's easy to sit there in your comfortable existence telling people risking their lives through one way or another that you 'doubt their worth' because they don't share your outlook. What a joke.

Edited by oldcodger (03 Sep 2015 8.18am)

No more of a joke than your opinion, no one said it was an easy choice to make, but make it they did. How do you think WW2 would have panned out if it weren’t for the French resistance? Hunted down and shot on sight, and that was the lucky ones, did they flee their own country ? nope they stayed and fought. I’m just saying there are two view points not just yours.

I'm not saying it's not a s***ty situation to be in, nor am I dehumanising people (love to know how you worked that out) but is gathering up your family and getting on a dodgy tub and trusting your luck (and life) to a dodgy pirate any better than staying put ?

Jamie made a good point, there are over a million refugees in bordering countries, what if they got together and tackled ISIS a million strong is bigger than our Army ten times over !

It would seem that when a country destabilises in the Middle Eastern part of the globe, Europe has to carry the can for it? I don't recall many Syrians risking life and limb to get to Britain during the Blitz to help us out, in fact we had to draw upon common wealth countries to keep our necks out of the brown stuff, Syria and the Middle East not so much.

And as for you accusation that "our bad decision making as nations we have done more to help the ISIS of today come into being" is utterly wrong and as daft as saying it was Poland’s fault Hitler invaded for having to many Jews.

ISIS are a fanatical bunch of loons we've always had them bleating on about hard done by this, and Allah that, HAMAS in 1986 proceeded by the Muslim Brother hood formed 1928, I could go on, but it's always been there.

A key point. Their needs to be a better processing of migrants/refugees. Those that really need help should be prioritised.
One of the problems with this is that we are bound by rules that say we must allow free movement from European countries and have also had large numbers of economic migrants arriving from elsewhere. This means that, to many, refugees seem like they are adding to a growing problem rather than being seen as victims and statistically insignificant.
They are being demonised because of years of excessive, poorly managed immigration which has turned a large number of the voting public against it.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Sep 2015 2.26pm)

Total side note, but Syria of the time was part of the French empire, and occupied by the Vichy-French. So there wasn't really much as a nation they could have done.

France was occupied by over a million Nazis not an excuse the resistance ever used.

Although the Arab Legion, of around 12,000 did fight along side the allies in the North Africa Campaign.

Fighting on there home turf for purely self preservation, the NAZIS would have wiped them out otherwise.

On a side note, the rise of IS doesn't have a basis in the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, which established Al-Qaeda in Iraq and created the Sunni insurgency, that would essentially form the basis of ISIS; that insurgency never really ended, it just switched towards a new focus with the rise of the Syrian Civil War - establishing a independent Sunni state. Many of the founders of ISIS and the Sunni allied groups, were also prisoners during the US occupation of Iraq, and forged alliances in detainment.

That is a summation dear boy and nowhwere near as high as you think (I'm guessing you already know that though)

ISIS in some form or another probably would have existed, but the driving force behind its capacity in Syria and Iraq, has been the Sunni Insurgency that had previously been directed against the Iraq state. What made it so effective in becoming a major force was being able to tap into the leaders and resources of that Insurgency, which included ex-Bathhist officers and troops of the Saddam Era.

And where ar ethey funded from do you think ?

Almost certainly though without the 2003 Invasion, and the decision to sack the Iraqi army, de-baathisation and the insurgency of the Sunni triangle, ISIS would never have been able to establish itself as a major player let alone capture territory sufficient to declare its self IS (the Caliphate).

So to an extent, IS grew out of the decisions and failures of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, and the aftermath - I wouldn't really say they were UK errors, as the UK role was largely limited to the south of Iraq, but the US certainly made important decisions that essentially set in motion events that defined where we are now.

Guess work I could easily point to the US lead invasions saving the lives of thousands and holding back a tide of anti western feeling that could've effected the homeland in a massive way, however at present ISIS are not able to gain a grip anywhere in Europe, whose to say the invasion didnt stop mass terrorism aimed at westerners across the world funded by Iraqi Oil ?

It is just as probable as your insinuation that the coalitions " Liberation " resulted in IS