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leggedstruggle  Croydon 02 Sep 15 9.58am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Sep 2015 9.19am
Quote bright&wright at 02 Sep 2015 8.13am
A mass exodus of a country's population is not an answer. You can't just run away from a situation. If we had in the 40's the whole world would look very different right about now. If I were so desperate to leave a war-torn country I'd settle in the first peaceful place I could find. So how the f*ck do they end up in Sweden? Oh yeah, because they want the p*ss-easy life that the Socialist Swedish Government will offer them. Free-loaders the lot of them, nothing more. I doubt it. The countries bordering Syria generally have a history of being either 'hostile to Arabs' or allies of the Syrian government (Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Iraq and Turkey) The responsibility for refugees created by war should be born by all nations, not just the few that happen to be on their borders. The problem is massively increased by the fact that countries don't act until they turn up in their country. These problems are never going to be solved by just abandoning the idea of immigration and asylum, but to effectively regulate the flow. Anti-Immigration parties are as absurd a concept as those who promote the idea of unchecked migration. Absurd? Protecting the interests of your existing population seems to me to be eminently sensible.
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 bright&wright 02 Sep 15 9.59am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Sep 2015 9.31am
Quote matt_himself at 02 Sep 2015 9.05am
Living standards are falling, youth unemployment is hefty and people across Europe are told to make people welcome......because. Not necessarily my views but the failure of the European establishment to justify the benefits of the situation is to me the real failure. I don't think there really is any real benefit to Asylum for a nation, at least not in the short term. However, given the alternative is sending civilians back into a genocidal civil war, that has shown no signs of letting up doesn't seem to be an option. Maybe a lower standard of living is better than dead children, mass rape, torture and murder.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Sep 15 10.34am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Sep 2015 9.31am
Quote matt_himself at 02 Sep 2015 9.05am
Living standards are falling, youth unemployment is hefty and people across Europe are told to make people welcome......because. Not necessarily my views but the failure of the European establishment to justify the benefits of the situation is to me the real failure. I don't think there really is any real benefit to Asylum for a nation, at least not in the short term. However, given the alternative is sending civilians back into a genocidal civil war, that has shown no signs of letting up doesn't seem to be an option. Maybe a lower standard of living is better than dead children, mass rape, torture and murder. I don't think that logic works Jamie. At any point in human history has there been dead children, mass rape, torture and murder.......I'd take in many of the children....It isn't them that cause the cohesion problems. Now that transportation is enabled who says at what point we stop lowering a standard of living to accommodate people? It isn't only a standard of living either. It's social cohesion. This country doesn't have the housing nor inclination. Personally, I'd only take in those that Christian organizations or the Kurds vouched for under limited asylum. I would only take secularists or religious moderates.....Something you can generally rely on with Kurds and Christians. I would be very hot on Antisemitism ......Something we need to do in this country instead of all the warm words instead. I wouldn't open our borders using a European imitative. Countries like Germany and Sweden have chosen their path in response to this crises. Let them enact it and reap the consequences. Immigrants chose western countries where they think they can take the maximum benefits.....whether that's work or state related. After a taste of the western lifestyle I'm not sure how many would like to go back. In the meantime how are some of my ex students going to get houses to live in Jamie? British taxpayers should look after their own first.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Sep 15 10.38am |
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Quote leggedstruggle at 02 Sep 2015 9.58am
Absurd? Protecting the interests of your existing population seems to me to be eminently sensible.
Immigration on British terms. Asylum to a limited number. Perhaps fiscal help to the EU's border countries to help them with this exodus.
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| Hoof Hearted 02 Sep 15 11.02am | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 02 Sep 2015 7.38am
one refugee I think we all would [Link] like to give a home too.
Much prettier and groomed than the usual ragbag munters that invade Europe from the middle east. I saw her story on the news she was resourceful, clever and able to pay 2000+ euros to get to Sweden, her asylum of choice. Many many more will now come on the back of her success.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Sep 15 11.51am |
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Quote bright&wright at 02 Sep 2015 9.59am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Sep 2015 9.31am
Quote matt_himself at 02 Sep 2015 9.05am
Living standards are falling, youth unemployment is hefty and people across Europe are told to make people welcome......because. Not necessarily my views but the failure of the European establishment to justify the benefits of the situation is to me the real failure. I don't think there really is any real benefit to Asylum for a nation, at least not in the short term. However, given the alternative is sending civilians back into a genocidal civil war, that has shown no signs of letting up doesn't seem to be an option. Maybe a lower standard of living is better than dead children, mass rape, torture and murder.
A reasonable solution isn't to expect only some countries to deal with the problem. Also in the Calais cases we're probably talking about different people than the ones I am. I'm generally in agreement in regards to economic migration (esp EU working migration except as necessary to fill vaccancies). What I am more concerned with is a tendency to put every migrant and asylum seeker into the same category. We have a responsibility towards refugees that isn't applicable to economic migrants.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Sep 15 11.53am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Sep 2015 10.38am
Quote leggedstruggle at 02 Sep 2015 9.58am
Absurd? Protecting the interests of your existing population seems to me to be eminently sensible.
Immigration on British terms. Asylum to a limited number. Perhaps fiscal help to the EU's border co I'm not sure you can have Asylum to a set figure, but effectively the solution to the problem of refugees is for the approach to be centralized, not based on who manages to turn up where. Economic migration and working migration, should really be based around filling vacancies that cannot be filled, not keeping wage levels artificially low.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Sep 15 11.56am |
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Quote leggedstruggle at 02 Sep 2015 9.58am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Sep 2015 9.19am
Quote bright&wright at 02 Sep 2015 8.13am
A mass exodus of a country's population is not an answer. You can't just run away from a situation. If we had in the 40's the whole world would look very different right about now. If I were so desperate to leave a war-torn country I'd settle in the first peaceful place I could find. So how the f*ck do they end up in Sweden? Oh yeah, because they want the p*ss-easy life that the Socialist Swedish Government will offer them. Free-loaders the lot of them, nothing more. I doubt it. The countries bordering Syria generally have a history of being either 'hostile to Arabs' or allies of the Syrian government (Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Iraq and Turkey) The responsibility for refugees created by war should be born by all nations, not just the few that happen to be on their borders. The problem is massively increased by the fact that countries don't act until they turn up in their country. These problems are never going to be solved by just abandoning the idea of immigration and asylum, but to effectively regulate the flow. Anti-Immigration parties are as absurd a concept as those who promote the idea of unchecked migration. Absurd? Protecting the interests of your existing population seems to me to be eminently sensible. So you support economic migration as a means of revenue generation? Working migrants contribute far more than they cost in terms of revenue, compared to nationals, over a life time (with most working migrants not raising children or growing old in the UK). Or are you saying that you are against all migration into the UK? I can never quite work out what you mean sometimes? Edited by jamiemartin721 (02 Sep 2015 11.57am)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Sep 15 11.59am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Sep 2015 10.34am
In the meantime how are some of my ex students going to get houses to live in Jamie? British taxpayers should look after their own first. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Sep 2015 10.41am) Yes they should, but that's never been the case has it. Its a struggle to think of any right wing government in the UK that has a great reputation for taking care of its own people.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 02 Sep 15 12.06pm |
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Quote leggedstruggle at 02 Sep 2015 9.58am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Sep 2015 9.19am
Quote bright&wright at 02 Sep 2015 8.13am
A mass exodus of a country's population is not an answer. You can't just run away from a situation. If we had in the 40's the whole world would look very different right about now. If I were so desperate to leave a war-torn country I'd settle in the first peaceful place I could find. So how the f*ck do they end up in Sweden? Oh yeah, because they want the p*ss-easy life that the Socialist Swedish Government will offer them. Free-loaders the lot of them, nothing more. I doubt it. The countries bordering Syria generally have a history of being either 'hostile to Arabs' or allies of the Syrian government (Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Iraq and Turkey) The responsibility for refugees created by war should be born by all nations, not just the few that happen to be on their borders. The problem is massively increased by the fact that countries don't act until they turn up in their country. These problems are never going to be solved by just abandoning the idea of immigration and asylum, but to effectively regulate the flow. Anti-Immigration parties are as absurd a concept as those who promote the idea of unchecked migration. Absurd? Protecting the interests of your existing population seems to me to be eminently sensible.
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| since1953 Maidenhead 02 Sep 15 12.07pm |
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This is a terrible thought and will never be adopted,but the idea of taking an untold number of Muslims into most European countries is not an appetising prospect. Once given citizenship most of them would stay put even when the situation in their mother countries has been stabilised, and of course any children born here would get automatic national status.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 02 Sep 15 12.08pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Sep 2015 11.56am
Quote leggedstruggle at 02 Sep 2015 9.58am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Sep 2015 9.19am
Quote bright&wright at 02 Sep 2015 8.13am
A mass exodus of a country's population is not an answer. You can't just run away from a situation. If we had in the 40's the whole world would look very different right about now. If I were so desperate to leave a war-torn country I'd settle in the first peaceful place I could find. So how the f*ck do they end up in Sweden? Oh yeah, because they want the p*ss-easy life that the Socialist Swedish Government will offer them. Free-loaders the lot of them, nothing more. I doubt it. The countries bordering Syria generally have a history of being either 'hostile to Arabs' or allies of the Syrian government (Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Iraq and Turkey) The responsibility for refugees created by war should be born by all nations, not just the few that happen to be on their borders. The problem is massively increased by the fact that countries don't act until they turn up in their country. These problems are never going to be solved by just abandoning the idea of immigration and asylum, but to effectively regulate the flow. Anti-Immigration parties are as absurd a concept as those who promote the idea of unchecked migration. Absurd? Protecting the interests of your existing population seems to me to be eminently sensible. So you support economic migration as a means of revenue generation? Working migrants contribute far more than they cost in terms of revenue, compared to nationals, over a life time (with most working migrants not raising children or growing old in the UK). Or are you saying that you are against all migration into the UK? I can never quite work out what you mean sometimes? Edited by jamiemartin721 (02 Sep 2015 11.57am)
Any trip down Derby Road, or West Croydon where you play dodgems with the prams by west croydon train station, (normally with you taking your life in your own hands by walking in the road, because for some reason any women with a buggy doesnt have to move out of anyones way), you will see that immigrant workers do have children here and they do so at rate of knots.
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