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The silver lining was at least we won in the Falklands unlike Irag and Afganistan.


I think we can all agree that it's much better to be on the winning side in a war but - as Simon Weston shows - not everybody survives war unscathed

 

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The silver lining was at least we won in the Falklands unlike Irag and Afganistan.


I think we can all agree that it's much better to be on the winning side in a war but - as Simon Weston shows - not everybody survives war unscathed


Well done you can recognise a black cloud

 


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I can't quite believe what bile some people post on here. Seymour's comments about Simon Weston are completely unacceptable and do not represent anything but that writers own views, but that hasn't stopped some bloggers on here tarring virtually all left wingers with the same brush. No evidence is given to support such claims but when did evidence or reasoned argument ever matter?

Has anyone actually looked at what Simon Weston is supposed to have responded to? This is a right wing rant against Jeremy Corbyn cooked up by the Telegraph based on comments made by Corbyn over two years ago, that don't actually represent Labour Party policy and also don't state that Corbyn wants to hand the Falklands over to Argentina. He simply suggested that seeking negotiated solutions to international problems is better than fighting wars - but then printing the reality behind some concocted rubbishing of a left wing politician would be a step too far for our right wing bigoted press.

As for gassing anyone who expresses views you might disagree with, that's a comment that is beneath contempt!



Who said that ?

"Personally, I'd gas Bloggers, columists and opinion piece writers on the basis that they offer nothing of value beyond stroking their own ego. But I've been told that would be against the law." - JamieMartin721


JM721 is not a "right wing" poster!

With regard to your support of Corbyn's stance on "negotiated solutions, rather than fighting wars"... in 1982 we had no choice - Argentina invaded the Falklands and refused to leave despite being told to do so by the UN.

In 1939 Neville Chamberlain tried your approach by "appeasing" Adolf Hitler and securing Peace in Our Time

Hitler reneged on his promise and showed Chamberlain to be a naïve, dangerous politician that nearly led us to defeat by the Nazis.

Thanks heavens Winston Churchill was there to pick up the pieces.

Corbyn is dangerous too - he naively believes that abandoning our nuclear deterrent is a good thing whilst unstable countries like North Korea and Iran continue to arm themselves.


It is ridiculous to compare Chamberlain's response to Nazi aggression to the Argentine invasion of the Falklands - we did have a choice in 1982, and the US were originally against the idea of a British war to recapture the Falklands.

The willingness to go to war that is often displayed in the UK (particularly by the right wing press) seems to ignore the humanitarian and the political consequences of war. The wars in the Middle East, the instability in Egypt. Iraq, Libya and Syria and the refugee crisis we are now seeing are all the direct consequence of western aggression and warmongering. But it seems that those arguing for a peaceful resolution are considered to be the dangerous ones! What kind of twisted logic is that?


This post is just meaningless rhetoric which has nothing to do with reality.
So if a foreign power fancies a bit of your land, you just let them have it do you ? Or maybe you ask them politely to give it back.

Do behave.

Don't be such a patronising prat. You might try reading what I wrote. As for fighting back against invading foreign powers, that's what so many countries have tried to do against Britain over hundreds of years, most recently Iraq. But as others have very sensibly stated, war should be a last resort but sadly that's not usually the case.


No need for personal abuse pal...... if you feel that you're losing an argument don't resort to personal attacks on other posters no matter how patronising you feel their reply might be.

We all have different opinions - we are all free to voice them without fear on this forum.

I thought Hrolf made a valid point.

 

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JM721 is not a "right wing" poster!

With regard to your support of Corbyn's stance on "negotiated solutions, rather than fighting wars"... in 1982 we had no choice - Argentina invaded the Falklands and refused to leave despite being told to do so by the UN.

In 1939 Neville Chamberlain tried your approach by "appeasing" Adolf Hitler and securing Peace in Our Time

Hitler reneged on his promise and showed Chamberlain to be a naïve, dangerous politician that nearly led us to defeat by the Nazis.

Thanks heavens Winston Churchill was there to pick up the pieces.

Corbyn is dangerous too - he naively believes that abandoning our nuclear deterrent is a good thing whilst unstable countries like North Korea and Iran continue to arm themselves.

JM's "gassing" comments were inappropriate IMO, regardless of whether in jest or irrelevant of whether he was right or left wing (and I don't think he's either).


Hoof, we are in 2015 not 1982 .The fact we once had little option but to use military action against aggression by a right wing military junta is no reason to suggest negotiated solutions are not desirable,where achievable,rather than fighting wars.It doesn't mean they will always be achievable in each and every situation but to suggest they are not desirable is just plain silly and knee jerk knocking of the maker of the comment (Corbyn) rather than the actual substance of the view put forward.War is a last resort, not a desirable outcome.

viz.negotiated settlement in N Ireland.

viz. negotiated settlement emerging between Kosovo and Serbia

viz. negotiated settlement between Indonesia and East Timor.


Hi Legal, I hear what you're saying but how much dialogue do you think the IS will respond to?

Putin has heard a lot of demands from the UN and yet continues to threaten the Ukraine.

I think it depends on the mind set of the aggressors - there is no reasoning with some people... that's why red cards are dished out on here.

 

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I can't quite believe what bile some people post on here. Seymour's comments about Simon Weston are completely unacceptable and do not represent anything but that writers own views, but that hasn't stopped some bloggers on here tarring virtually all left wingers with the same brush. No evidence is given to support such claims but when did evidence or reasoned argument ever matter?

Has anyone actually looked at what Simon Weston is supposed to have responded to? This is a right wing rant against Jeremy Corbyn cooked up by the Telegraph based on comments made by Corbyn over two years ago, that don't actually represent Labour Party policy and also don't state that Corbyn wants to hand the Falklands over to Argentina. He simply suggested that seeking negotiated solutions to international problems is better than fighting wars - but then printing the reality behind some concocted rubbishing of a left wing politician would be a step too far for our right wing bigoted press.

As for gassing anyone who expresses views you might disagree with, that's a comment that is beneath contempt!



Who said that ?

"Personally, I'd gas Bloggers, columists and opinion piece writers on the basis that they offer nothing of value beyond stroking their own ego. But I've been told that would be against the law." - JamieMartin721


JM721 is not a "right wing" poster!

With regard to your support of Corbyn's stance on "negotiated solutions, rather than fighting wars"... in 1982 we had no choice - Argentina invaded the Falklands and refused to leave despite being told to do so by the UN.

In 1939 Neville Chamberlain tried your approach by "appeasing" Adolf Hitler and securing Peace in Our Time

Hitler reneged on his promise and showed Chamberlain to be a naïve, dangerous politician that nearly led us to defeat by the Nazis.

Thanks heavens Winston Churchill was there to pick up the pieces.

Corbyn is dangerous too - he naively believes that abandoning our nuclear deterrent is a good thing whilst unstable countries like North Korea and Iran continue to arm themselves.


It is ridiculous to compare Chamberlain's response to Nazi aggression to the Argentine invasion of the Falklands - we did have a choice in 1982, and the US were originally against the idea of a British war to recapture the Falklands.

The willingness to go to war that is often displayed in the UK (particularly by the right wing press) seems to ignore the humanitarian and the political consequences of war. The wars in the Middle East, the instability in Egypt. Iraq, Libya and Syria and the refugee crisis we are now seeing are all the direct consequence of western aggression and warmongering. But it seems that those arguing for a peaceful resolution are considered to be the dangerous ones! What kind of twisted logic is that?


This post is just meaningless rhetoric which has nothing to do with reality.
So if a foreign power fancies a bit of your land, you just let them have it do you ? Or maybe you ask them politely to give it back.

Do behave.

Don't be such a patronising prat. You might try reading what I wrote. As for fighting back against invading foreign powers, that's what so many countries have tried to do against Britain over hundreds of years, most recently Iraq. But as others have very sensibly stated, war should be a last resort but sadly that's not usually the case.

Well that's got to be worth a yellow card at minimum based on recent mod officiating.
I'm not prat enough to report your post though.

Congratulations.

You followed up one meaningless post with another.
Idealistic waffle doesn't cut it in the real World.

The Iraq conflict has nothing to do with the Falklands but for the record I would find it hard to defend. All I would say is that our relationship with America makes it very difficult for The UK to do anything else but support their actions and You and I are not in possession of the bigger picture.

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I can't quite believe what bile some people post on here. Seymour's comments about Simon Weston are completely unacceptable and do not represent anything but that writers own views, but that hasn't stopped some bloggers on here tarring virtually all left wingers with the same brush. No evidence is given to support such claims but when did evidence or reasoned argument ever matter?

Has anyone actually looked at what Simon Weston is supposed to have responded to? This is a right wing rant against Jeremy Corbyn cooked up by the Telegraph based on comments made by Corbyn over two years ago, that don't actually represent Labour Party policy and also don't state that Corbyn wants to hand the Falklands over to Argentina. He simply suggested that seeking negotiated solutions to international problems is better than fighting wars - but then printing the reality behind some concocted rubbishing of a left wing politician would be a step too far for our right wing bigoted press.

As for gassing anyone who expresses views you might disagree with, that's a comment that is beneath contempt!



Who said that ?

"Personally, I'd gas Bloggers, columists and opinion piece writers on the basis that they offer nothing of value beyond stroking their own ego. But I've been told that would be against the law." - JamieMartin721


JM721 is not a "right wing" poster!

With regard to your support of Corbyn's stance on "negotiated solutions, rather than fighting wars"... in 1982 we had no choice - Argentina invaded the Falklands and refused to leave despite being told to do so by the UN.

In 1939 Neville Chamberlain tried your approach by "appeasing" Adolf Hitler and securing Peace in Our Time

Hitler reneged on his promise and showed Chamberlain to be a naïve, dangerous politician that nearly led us to defeat by the Nazis.

Thanks heavens Winston Churchill was there to pick up the pieces.

Corbyn is dangerous too - he naively believes that abandoning our nuclear deterrent is a good thing whilst unstable countries like North Korea and Iran continue to arm themselves.


It is ridiculous to compare Chamberlain's response to Nazi aggression to the Argentine invasion of the Falklands - we did have a choice in 1982, and the US were originally against the idea of a British war to recapture the Falklands.

The willingness to go to war that is often displayed in the UK (particularly by the right wing press) seems to ignore the humanitarian and the political consequences of war. The wars in the Middle East, the instability in Egypt. Iraq, Libya and Syria and the refugee crisis we are now seeing are all the direct consequence of western aggression and warmongering. But it seems that those arguing for a peaceful resolution are considered to be the dangerous ones! What kind of twisted logic is that?


This post is just meaningless rhetoric which has nothing to do with reality.
So if a foreign power fancies a bit of your land, you just let them have it do you ? Or maybe you ask them politely to give it back.

Do behave.

Don't be such a patronising prat. You might try reading what I wrote. As for fighting back against invading foreign powers, that's what so many countries have tried to do against Britain over hundreds of years, most recently Iraq. But as others have very sensibly stated, war should be a last resort but sadly that's not usually the case.


No need for personal abuse pal...... if you feel that you're losing an argument don't resort to personal attacks on other posters no matter how patronising you feel their reply might be.

We all have different opinions - we are all free to voice them without fear on this forum.

I thought Hrolf made a valid point.


First of all, you're not my pal...and I think being told to "behave" when I am simply putting my opinion in a discussion warrants the response I gave, which - let's face it - is pretty mild and hardly a "personal attack".

 

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I can't quite believe what bile some people post on here. Seymour's comments about Simon Weston are completely unacceptable and do not represent anything but that writers own views, but that hasn't stopped some bloggers on here tarring virtually all left wingers with the same brush. No evidence is given to support such claims but when did evidence or reasoned argument ever matter?

Has anyone actually looked at what Simon Weston is supposed to have responded to? This is a right wing rant against Jeremy Corbyn cooked up by the Telegraph based on comments made by Corbyn over two years ago, that don't actually represent Labour Party policy and also don't state that Corbyn wants to hand the Falklands over to Argentina. He simply suggested that seeking negotiated solutions to international problems is better than fighting wars - but then printing the reality behind some concocted rubbishing of a left wing politician would be a step too far for our right wing bigoted press.

As for gassing anyone who expresses views you might disagree with, that's a comment that is beneath contempt!



Who said that ?

"Personally, I'd gas Bloggers, columists and opinion piece writers on the basis that they offer nothing of value beyond stroking their own ego. But I've been told that would be against the law." - JamieMartin721


JM721 is not a "right wing" poster!

With regard to your support of Corbyn's stance on "negotiated solutions, rather than fighting wars"... in 1982 we had no choice - Argentina invaded the Falklands and refused to leave despite being told to do so by the UN.

In 1939 Neville Chamberlain tried your approach by "appeasing" Adolf Hitler and securing Peace in Our Time

Hitler reneged on his promise and showed Chamberlain to be a naïve, dangerous politician that nearly led us to defeat by the Nazis.

Thanks heavens Winston Churchill was there to pick up the pieces.

Corbyn is dangerous too - he naively believes that abandoning our nuclear deterrent is a good thing whilst unstable countries like North Korea and Iran continue to arm themselves.


It is ridiculous to compare Chamberlain's response to Nazi aggression to the Argentine invasion of the Falklands - we did have a choice in 1982, and the US were originally against the idea of a British war to recapture the Falklands.

The willingness to go to war that is often displayed in the UK (particularly by the right wing press) seems to ignore the humanitarian and the political consequences of war. The wars in the Middle East, the instability in Egypt. Iraq, Libya and Syria and the refugee crisis we are now seeing are all the direct consequence of western aggression and warmongering. But it seems that those arguing for a peaceful resolution are considered to be the dangerous ones! What kind of twisted logic is that?


This post is just meaningless rhetoric which has nothing to do with reality.
So if a foreign power fancies a bit of your land, you just let them have it do you ? Or maybe you ask them politely to give it back.

Do behave.

Don't be such a patronising prat. You might try reading what I wrote. As for fighting back against invading foreign powers, that's what so many countries have tried to do against Britain over hundreds of years, most recently Iraq. But as others have very sensibly stated, war should be a last resort but sadly that's not usually the case.


No need for personal abuse pal...... if you feel that you're losing an argument don't resort to personal attacks on other posters no matter how patronising you feel their reply might be.

We all have different opinions - we are all free to voice them without fear on this forum.

I thought Hrolf made a valid point.


First of all, you're not my pal...and I think being told to "behave" when I am simply putting my opinion in a discussion warrants the response I gave, which - let's face it - is pretty mild and hardly a "personal attack".


Well we'll see what the Mods have to say about it.. it doesn't take long for comments like yours to make a thread descend into a slanging match.

You can see that Hrolf wasn't impressed with being called a prat.

I'm glad I'm not your pal to be honest.

 

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I can't quite believe what bile some people post on here. Seymour's comments about Simon Weston are completely unacceptable and do not represent anything but that writers own views, but that hasn't stopped some bloggers on here tarring virtually all left wingers with the same brush. No evidence is given to support such claims but when did evidence or reasoned argument ever matter?

Has anyone actually looked at what Simon Weston is supposed to have responded to? This is a right wing rant against Jeremy Corbyn cooked up by the Telegraph based on comments made by Corbyn over two years ago, that don't actually represent Labour Party policy and also don't state that Corbyn wants to hand the Falklands over to Argentina. He simply suggested that seeking negotiated solutions to international problems is better than fighting wars - but then printing the reality behind some concocted rubbishing of a left wing politician would be a step too far for our right wing bigoted press.

As for gassing anyone who expresses views you might disagree with, that's a comment that is beneath contempt!



Who said that ?

"Personally, I'd gas Bloggers, columists and opinion piece writers on the basis that they offer nothing of value beyond stroking their own ego. But I've been told that would be against the law." - JamieMartin721


JM721 is not a "right wing" poster!

With regard to your support of Corbyn's stance on "negotiated solutions, rather than fighting wars"... in 1982 we had no choice - Argentina invaded the Falklands and refused to leave despite being told to do so by the UN.

In 1939 Neville Chamberlain tried your approach by "appeasing" Adolf Hitler and securing Peace in Our Time

Hitler reneged on his promise and showed Chamberlain to be a naïve, dangerous politician that nearly led us to defeat by the Nazis.

Thanks heavens Winston Churchill was there to pick up the pieces.

Corbyn is dangerous too - he naively believes that abandoning our nuclear deterrent is a good thing whilst unstable countries like North Korea and Iran continue to arm themselves.


It is ridiculous to compare Chamberlain's response to Nazi aggression to the Argentine invasion of the Falklands - we did have a choice in 1982, and the US were originally against the idea of a British war to recapture the Falklands.

The willingness to go to war that is often displayed in the UK (particularly by the right wing press) seems to ignore the humanitarian and the political consequences of war. The wars in the Middle East, the instability in Egypt. Iraq, Libya and Syria and the refugee crisis we are now seeing are all the direct consequence of western aggression and warmongering. But it seems that those arguing for a peaceful resolution are considered to be the dangerous ones! What kind of twisted logic is that?


This post is just meaningless rhetoric which has nothing to do with reality.
So if a foreign power fancies a bit of your land, you just let them have it do you ? Or maybe you ask them politely to give it back.

Do behave.

Don't be such a patronising prat. You might try reading what I wrote. As for fighting back against invading foreign powers, that's what so many countries have tried to do against Britain over hundreds of years, most recently Iraq. But as others have very sensibly stated, war should be a last resort but sadly that's not usually the case.


No need for personal abuse pal...... if you feel that you're losing an argument don't resort to personal attacks on other posters no matter how patronising you feel their reply might be.

We all have different opinions - we are all free to voice them without fear on this forum.

I thought Hrolf made a valid point.


First of all, you're not my pal...and I think being told to "behave" when I am simply putting my opinion in a discussion warrants the response I gave, which - let's face it - is pretty mild and hardly a "personal attack".


Calm down.

It really isn't worth raising your blood pressure over.
You can't really expect to post such a controversial opinion without copping some flack. You are entitled to your opinion and I would be the first to defend your right to voice it but please don't get all precious about the response.

 

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Should have an increasing number of handbag images instead of yellow and red cards. That would calm people down.

 

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I can't quite believe what bile some people post on here. Seymour's comments about Simon Weston are completely unacceptable and do not represent anything but that writers own views, but that hasn't stopped some bloggers on here tarring virtually all left wingers with the same brush. No evidence is given to support such claims but when did evidence or reasoned argument ever matter?

Has anyone actually looked at what Simon Weston is supposed to have responded to? This is a right wing rant against Jeremy Corbyn cooked up by the Telegraph based on comments made by Corbyn over two years ago, that don't actually represent Labour Party policy and also don't state that Corbyn wants to hand the Falklands over to Argentina. He simply suggested that seeking negotiated solutions to international problems is better than fighting wars - but then printing the reality behind some concocted rubbishing of a left wing politician would be a step too far for our right wing bigoted press.

As for gassing anyone who expresses views you might disagree with, that's a comment that is beneath contempt!



Who said that ?

"Personally, I'd gas Bloggers, columists and opinion piece writers on the basis that they offer nothing of value beyond stroking their own ego. But I've been told that would be against the law." - JamieMartin721


JM721 is not a "right wing" poster!

With regard to your support of Corbyn's stance on "negotiated solutions, rather than fighting wars"... in 1982 we had no choice - Argentina invaded the Falklands and refused to leave despite being told to do so by the UN.

In 1939 Neville Chamberlain tried your approach by "appeasing" Adolf Hitler and securing Peace in Our Time

Hitler reneged on his promise and showed Chamberlain to be a naïve, dangerous politician that nearly led us to defeat by the Nazis.

Thanks heavens Winston Churchill was there to pick up the pieces.

Corbyn is dangerous too - he naively believes that abandoning our nuclear deterrent is a good thing whilst unstable countries like North Korea and Iran continue to arm themselves.


It is ridiculous to compare Chamberlain's response to Nazi aggression to the Argentine invasion of the Falklands - we did have a choice in 1982, and the US were originally against the idea of a British war to recapture the Falklands.

The willingness to go to war that is often displayed in the UK (particularly by the right wing press) seems to ignore the humanitarian and the political consequences of war. The wars in the Middle East, the instability in Egypt. Iraq, Libya and Syria and the refugee crisis we are now seeing are all the direct consequence of western aggression and warmongering. But it seems that those arguing for a peaceful resolution are considered to be the dangerous ones! What kind of twisted logic is that?

I don't think we had much of a choice, and the decision was the correct one. The lives and rights of British citizens was imperilled by a Fascist Junta, that had already killed at least 80,000 of its own citizens.

I know this is an unpopular view on the left, but the imperative of any state is to protect the rights, well being and life of its people.

I suspect many of the left hold resentment on the decision because it ended up profiting the political life of Thatcher, but she was right. A nation that doesn't stand up an protect its people in 'their hour of need' isn't a nation.

 


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Crass and stupid attention seeker but he hasn't dropped a barrel bomb on a load of children. Ignore him.


Funny how your defending him as a lefty, if it was someone from the right making equally crass comments about immigrants you'd be slaughtering them.

The lefts hypocrissy knows no bounds.

In what way was Kermit defending him?

People like him (the journalist, not necessarily Kermit), should be ignored and denied the oxygen of infamy that they crave. I had never heard of him before so in a way he has probably obtained his objective.

So why dont people like you, Kerm, Gussett,et all ignore Farage, or the England First idiots, your the first ones to jump on any mail headline that even hints at anything remotley supportive of the right wing ? and yet you and Kerm tell me to ignore some little whiney pr1ck who has bad mouthed what is essentially a disabled person, to be honest I thought you lot would all over that what with him being actually disabled, But oh no, wait he's an ex squaddie so f*** him.

You lot make me wanna puke.

Firstly Nick hasn't posted on this. Secondly Farage and Britain First are also political parties and entities - So they're culpable. Now I agree you with you, f**k this little s**tstain, he's a c**t, but no ones saying 'f**k him he's a squaddie' or similar.

I tend to think both you and Kermit are right. I know I should ignore people like this and Katie Hopkins, Richard Littlejohn or that c**t on TalkSport, because they only do it to get a rise and get oxygen, but they specifically do it in such a way that it will offend certain people so much that they have to respond.

Personally, I'd gas Bloggers, columists and opinion piece writers on the basis that they offer nothing of value beyond stroking their own ego. But I've been told that would be against the law.


I didn’t say nick had posted on this ? just where did I say that? I said that all the lefties including Nick, would be apoplectic with outrage if comments about an immigrant were made by some right wing loony (the polar opposite of this sh1t stain)say for example someone like that twerp Richard LittleJohn came out in his rag and made derogatory comments about the Migrants at Calais all being benefit cheats.

The left on here would go bonkers telling anyone who would listen, he was a nasty racist and should be shot for being so right wing.

My point is when it's one of their own being a complete and utter indefensible wnaker, they are, a) conspicuous by there absence or b) play it down as attention seeking and he deserves a smack on the wrists.

The double standards and hypocrisy at play here are all that I hate about the lefties of the world. Me personally I couldn’t give a flying monkey fcuk who you vote for, if your a dick, then your a dick (not aimed at anyone I hasten to add) for example, I am most certainly right of centre, however I believe Cameron is a slimy oik like toad who should fack off back to Eaton.

However Come on here and call Brown or Corbyn the same, (for they truly are fckutards of the highest order) and you get dogs abuse resulting in pseudo intelligent leftie posters calling you thick, because you don't agree that Corbyn (for example) is the second coming.

Thats my point.

You referred to Nick.

You took what was a very valid argument and point, in regards to this c**t Seymour, and then made it about 'knocking the left'. It undermines the validity of your initial point, which is right, by turning it into an argument of left vs right, which this really isn't. Its about right vs wrong, not winning or scoring points.

As for that kind of 'you don't agree with me' abuse, you yourself have been known to hand that out yourself to posters (admittedly I see it in a light hearted manner).

I rest my case.

 


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I can't quite believe what bile some people post on here. Seymour's comments about Simon Weston are completely unacceptable and do not represent anything but that writers own views, but that hasn't stopped some bloggers on here tarring virtually all left wingers with the same brush. No evidence is given to support such claims but when did evidence or reasoned argument ever matter?

Has anyone actually looked at what Simon Weston is supposed to have responded to? This is a right wing rant against Jeremy Corbyn cooked up by the Telegraph based on comments made by Corbyn over two years ago, that don't actually represent Labour Party policy and also don't state that Corbyn wants to hand the Falklands over to Argentina. He simply suggested that seeking negotiated solutions to international problems is better than fighting wars - but then printing the reality behind some concocted rubbishing of a left wing politician would be a step too far for our right wing bigoted press.

As for gassing anyone who expresses views you might disagree with, that's a comment that is beneath contempt!



Who said that ?

"Personally, I'd gas Bloggers, columists and opinion piece writers on the basis that they offer nothing of value beyond stroking their own ego. But I've been told that would be against the law." - JamieMartin721


JM721 is not a "right wing" poster!

With regard to your support of Corbyn's stance on "negotiated solutions, rather than fighting wars"... in 1982 we had no choice - Argentina invaded the Falklands and refused to leave despite being told to do so by the UN.

In 1939 Neville Chamberlain tried your approach by "appeasing" Adolf Hitler and securing Peace in Our Time

Hitler reneged on his promise and showed Chamberlain to be a naïve, dangerous politician that nearly led us to defeat by the Nazis.

Thanks heavens Winston Churchill was there to pick up the pieces.

Corbyn is dangerous too - he naively believes that abandoning our nuclear deterrent is a good thing whilst unstable countries like North Korea and Iran continue to arm themselves.


It is ridiculous to compare Chamberlain's response to Nazi aggression to the Argentine invasion of the Falklands - we did have a choice in 1982, and the US were originally against the idea of a British war to recapture the Falklands.

The willingness to go to war that is often displayed in the UK (particularly by the right wing press) seems to ignore the humanitarian and the political consequences of war. The wars in the Middle East, the instability in Egypt. Iraq, Libya and Syria and the refugee crisis we are now seeing are all the direct consequence of western aggression and warmongering. But it seems that those arguing for a peaceful resolution are considered to be the dangerous ones! What kind of twisted logic is that?

I don't think we had much of a choice, and the decision was the correct one. The lives and rights of British citizens was imperilled by a Fascist Junta, that had already killed at least 80,000 of its own citizens.

I know this is an unpopular view on the left, but the imperative of any state is to protect the rights, well being and life of its people.

I suspect many of the left hold resentment on the decision because it ended up profiting the political life of Thatcher, but she was right. A nation that doesn't stand up an protect its people in 'their hour of need' isn't a nation.


Plus she had a General Election to win

 


I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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