The reason they should not vote is because they are no longer part of society There is really no polite way to say this so here’s the thing; they are put behind bars because they have committed a crime and therefore are dangerous to society. From rapists to murderers to thieves and the like, these prisons keep them all and in the process, make the country safer to live in. When you break the law, you have no business enjoying the rights that would otherwise have been at your disposal had the crime not been committed.
Anyone that breaks the law doesn’t have the country’s best interests at heart. So how can such people be allowed to vote?
Yes, people do change, and usually when someone shows an improvement in their behaviour, their sentence is sometimes reduced, of course depending on the crime they committed. If the state believes someone has reformed to the level that they can be trusted to live with others again, they are let out of prison. And then the person can have their rights again.

Letting prisoners vote is devaluing the country. It is funny to say that denying a prisoner a chance to vote is a violation of human rights. Although some prisoners are not necessarily evil, when behind bars, they are not part of the citizens that can demand full rights.

We simply shouldn’t tamper with our judicial system.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. And when you are doing time, do not expect your rights to be considered because when the crime was being committed, the one responsible didn’t consider anything.

I feel sure if you have your first degree then you should know this without me having to nudge your memory ?

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Judging by your response your more of a reformist. Fair enough i hear that loud and clear. Frankly though the sort of educating thats needed, will not work within the whole prison environment. See in group dynamics we only work at the pace of the slowest in the group. Therefore disruptive and influential individuals will not let this process take shape.
The answer is to better educate the child on matters of social exceptance, peer pressure, addition and criminality..
Problem with this is its really only needed in deprived areas and schools. No point having a lesson on the problems off shop lifting in Eton.
Anyway this will not happen due to discriminization from years gone past of a left wing approach. How can we now say croydon has to take part in the lessons but reigate doesnt.
Would be uproar.
Now the vote for prisioners.... really would you give a murderer or a rapist the opportunity to make a decision that again affects us the larger community as a whole based on their previous experiences of rational thinking..???

Apologies for my spelling as im on a phone on a beach in Spain and im also uneducated

Edited by 7@burnley79 (16 Sep 2015 5.56pm)

You'd be surprised. I live close to Windsor and have lived in fairly wealthy areas, they have a problem with Shop lifitng. The difference tends to be that if you're from Slough, say, and you get caught shop lifting in Windsor, your treatment that if say you were from Eton School.

Personally, I think there is a priority in areas where poverty and employment opportunities are higher. Thing is though, schools aren't really that good a means of engagement. You can tell kids not to smoke weed and have all manner of anti-drugs education, it won't make a difference. You can't force people to be obedient - But in terms of more serious crimes (violence for example) you've got a better chance if you start enaging in treating and addressing the individual when the first come into the justice system, rather than just fining them time and again until you send them to prison).

Ideally we should see 'actual prison' as a last resort reserved for 'serious crimes and repeat offenders'. Rather we should confine them in the mean time to 'treatment' centers where they're assessed and any underlying issues are engaged with (and the individuals release being contingent). For example, low education. In the US, one of the biggest factors in youth offender was low educational achievement, and one of the biggest factors in keeping young offenders from returning to the system, was achieving a GDE (essentially completing high school) whilst in prison (this also meant tackling illiteracy, learning disorders, peer pressure, self esteem etc).

A result though was around a 50% increase in rehabilitation of young male offenders. Success in the GED was driven by positive reinforcement (achieving goals in the programme, resulted in privillages).

Sadly, the US prison services have increasingly cut back on education services, because of the cost and the fact they are unpopular with voters, despite the results.

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