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chris123 hove actually 22 Sep 15 1.49pm
Sticking dodgy software into this many vehicles will get the Racketeering folks thumbing through the rule book.
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hove actually 22 Sep 15 1.49pm

Sticking dodgy software into this many vehicles will get the Racketeering folks thumbing through the rule book.

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sa_eagle Just outside Cape Town 22 Sep 15 1.52pm
I don't believe for a second that VW are alone in this. They're the first to get caught but I reckon other manufacturers will now come under scrutiny and be exposed. Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!
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Just outside Cape Town 22 Sep 15 1.52pm

I don't believe for a second that VW are alone in this. They're the first to get caught but I reckon other manufacturers will now come under scrutiny and be exposed.

Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!

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Stuk Top half 22 Sep 15 1.53pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.37pm Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.31pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.25pm The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives. In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of). They're rumoured to be lined up for a 6-18bn dollar fine. You couldn't exclude them from the market as that would also f* over: employees, supply chains, dealers, garages, owners etc. Their CEO in America is probably s*ting himself. You could exclude the production of new cars from market - but yeah fair point. That said a 6-18bn dollar fine is pretty 'buttock clenching'. I'd imagine their CEO is currently updating his CV and searching jobserve.com Shoots your own economy in the foot too. Far better to scold them and take the cash. I'd imagine he's shredding, deleting and hiring lawyers. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 22 Sep 15 1.53pm

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.25pm

The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives.

In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of).

They're rumoured to be lined up for a 6-18bn dollar fine. You couldn't exclude them from the market as that would also f*** over: employees, supply chains, dealers, garages, owners etc.

Their CEO in America is probably s***ting himself.

You could exclude the production of new cars from market - but yeah fair point.

That said a 6-18bn dollar fine is pretty 'buttock clenching'. I'd imagine their CEO is currently updating his CV and searching jobserve.com

Shoots your own economy in the foot too. Far better to scold them and take the cash.

I'd imagine he's shredding, deleting and hiring lawyers.

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 22 Sep 15 1.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.39pm Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.35pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.29pm Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.20pm It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier. Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash. Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c***s. Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does. The answer, if you ask me, has always to make more efficient pollution through concepts such as maximizing capacity of passenger compared to the emissions produced. Even when diesel was promoted as being cleaner you could tell that it was utter bollocks. The best answer as you say is to increase the efficiency of the fuel, so it might be as dirty but the same amount gets you twice as far, for example. Yes, or promote systems of shared transport (which gives you the efficiencies of moving say 4 people for the cost of one). Our local buses are driven by 'rape' fuel, which whilst its probably not even remotely benefical to the environment, at least gives one local resident the occasional chuckle. Might be slightly cleaner but others will argue that we're using agricultural land, which could be used to grow food, for growing crops for fuel instead. They could always drop the stupid law that prevents us sticking normal, used cooking oil in our diesels - but that would take pennies from HMRC and that can't be allowed... Optimistic as ever
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Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.20pm

It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier.

Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash.

Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c***s.

Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does.

The answer, if you ask me, has always to make more efficient pollution through concepts such as maximizing capacity of passenger compared to the emissions produced.

Even when diesel was promoted as being cleaner you could tell that it was utter bollocks.

The best answer as you say is to increase the efficiency of the fuel, so it might be as dirty but the same amount gets you twice as far, for example.

Yes, or promote systems of shared transport (which gives you the efficiencies of moving say 4 people for the cost of one).

Our local buses are driven by 'rape' fuel, which whilst its probably not even remotely benefical to the environment, at least gives one local resident the occasional chuckle.

Might be slightly cleaner but others will argue that we're using agricultural land, which could be used to grow food, for growing crops for fuel instead.

They could always drop the stupid law that prevents us sticking normal, used cooking oil in our diesels - but that would take pennies from HMRC and that can't be allowed...

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 22 Sep 15 1.57pm
Quote sa_eagle at 22 Sep 2015 1.52pm I don't believe for a second that VW are alone in this. They're the first to get caught but I reckon other manufacturers will now come under scrutiny and be exposed. Renault offered a very swift rebuttal. They're 5% owned by another German mark mind you. Optimistic as ever
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Quote sa_eagle at 22 Sep 2015 1.52pm

I don't believe for a second that VW are alone in this. They're the first to get caught but I reckon other manufacturers will now come under scrutiny and be exposed.

Renault offered a very swift rebuttal.

They're 5% owned by another German mark mind you.

Optimistic as ever

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 22 Sep 15 2.02pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Sep 2015 10.07am [Link] Not good news for VW caught cheating in the US by installing software to get their diesel cars to recognise when in test mode and emit less than when in normal driving mode. An industry spokesman on R4's Today programme this morning reckons this is just the tip of the iceberg... all manufacturers are cheating and Diesel cars are emitting more harmful gases than they claim on their literature. USA has only 1% Diesel cars on the road as their testing procedures are more stringent than in Europe where nearly 50% of cars are diesel. The spokesman reckons that the testing procedures over here are not independent and allow massively massaged test results to be achieved. I've always felt that Diesel cars were smelly and less efficient than Petrol cars... it seems they are/were. Leftie Pro USA & Israel
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Sep 2015 10.07am

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Not good news for VW caught cheating in the US by installing software to get their diesel cars to recognise when in test mode and emit less than when in normal driving mode.

An industry spokesman on R4's Today programme this morning reckons this is just the tip of the iceberg... all manufacturers are cheating and Diesel cars are emitting more harmful gases than they claim on their literature.

USA has only 1% Diesel cars on the road as their testing procedures are more stringent than in Europe where nearly 50% of cars are diesel. The spokesman reckons that the testing procedures over here are not independent and allow massively massaged test results to be achieved.

I've always felt that Diesel cars were smelly and less efficient than Petrol cars... it seems they are/were.

*Leftie*

Pro USA & Israel

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 22 Sep 15 4.10pm
Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.35pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.29pm Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.20pm It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier. Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash. Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c*s. Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does. The answer, if you ask me, has always to make more efficient pollution through concepts such as maximizing capacity of passenger compared to the emissions produced. Even when diesel was promoted as being cleaner you could tell that it was utter bollocks**. The best answer as you say is to increase the efficiency of the fuel, so it might be as dirty but the same amount gets you twice as far, for example. It was pretty obvious then that diesel throws out more sh1t than petrol and they new it. All you have to do is follow any vehicle using diesel and watch the crap that comes out their exhaust. I have often wondered how taxis and buses and the like get away with the omission tests when they are done on them. I saw a chart on the price of diesel and how it would take 30 years to recoup what you saved on fuel in regard to money saved on the price of your vehicle mileage. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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susmik

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Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.35pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.29pm

Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.20pm

It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier.

Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash.

Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c***s.

Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does.

The answer, if you ask me, has always to make more efficient pollution through concepts such as maximizing capacity of passenger compared to the emissions produced.

Even when diesel was promoted as being cleaner you could tell that it was utter bollocks.

The best answer as you say is to increase the efficiency of the fuel, so it might be as dirty but the same amount gets you twice as far, for example.

It was pretty obvious then that diesel throws out more sh1t than petrol and they new it. All you have to do is follow any vehicle using diesel and watch the crap that comes out their exhaust. I have often wondered how taxis and buses and the like get away with the omission tests when they are done on them. I saw a chart on the price of diesel and how it would take 30 years to recoup what you saved on fuel in regard to money saved on the price of your vehicle mileage.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Hoof Hearted 22 Sep 15 4.53pm
Quote Jimenez at 22 Sep 2015 2.02pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Sep 2015 10.07am [Link] Not good news for VW caught cheating in the US by installing software to get their diesel cars to recognise when in test mode and emit less than when in normal driving mode. An industry spokesman on R4's Today programme this morning reckons this is just the tip of the iceberg... all manufacturers are cheating and Diesel cars are emitting more harmful gases than they claim on their literature. USA has only 1% Diesel cars on the road as their testing procedures are more stringent than in Europe where nearly 50% of cars are diesel. The spokesman reckons that the testing procedures over here are not independent and allow massively massaged test results to be achieved. I've always felt that Diesel cars were smelly and less efficient than Petrol cars... it seems they are/were. Leftie
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Hoof Hearted 22 Sep 15 4.53pm

Quote Jimenez at 22 Sep 2015 2.02pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Sep 2015 10.07am

[Link]

Not good news for VW caught cheating in the US by installing software to get their diesel cars to recognise when in test mode and emit less than when in normal driving mode.

I've always felt that Diesel cars were smelly and less efficient than Petrol cars... it seems they are/were.

*Leftie*

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Lyons550 Shirley 23 Sep 15 2.34pm
I bought my diesel because the Road Tax is just �30...if that rises i'm gonna sue VW for all they're worth...which wont be much admittedly! The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 23 Sep 15 2.34pm

I bought my diesel because the Road Tax is just �30...if that rises i'm gonna sue VW for all they're worth...which wont be much admittedly!

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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Hoof Hearted 01 Oct 15 10.36am
[Link] Labour (Gordon Brown) made wrong decision over diesel car tax shocker! Yet another spectacular howler by Brown when Chancellor eventually comes to light..... He sold off our gold reserves at a record low, put an end to boom and bust (well boom anyway!) now it's come to light that he fcuked up bigtime by endorsing diesel fuels as the right choice for greener motoring and lowering car tax for those cars. Worse chancellor ever.... but unlucky in that we never got to see how low Balls would have set the bar.
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Hoof Hearted 01 Oct 15 10.36am

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Labour (Gordon Brown) made wrong decision over diesel car tax shocker!

Yet another spectacular howler by Brown when Chancellor eventually comes to light.....

He sold off our gold reserves at a record low, put an end to boom and bust (well boom anyway!) now it's come to light that he fcuked up bigtime by endorsing diesel fuels as the right choice for greener motoring and lowering car tax for those cars.

Worse chancellor ever.... but unlucky in that we never got to see how low Balls would have set the bar.

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Stuk Top half 01 Oct 15 12.04pm
The only good thing that might come out of this, is that we get VW to pay our �300m EU fine for not having clean enough air in London. Mainly due to, you guessed it, diesel engines. [Link] Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 01 Oct 15 12.04pm

The only good thing that might come out of this, is that we get VW to pay our �300m EU fine for not having clean enough air in London. Mainly due to, you guessed it, diesel engines.

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Ray in Houston Houston 07 Oct 15 10.58pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.29pm Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does. Mass-produced electricity is far more clean than producing power from your own, mobile power plant, and it's getting cleaner all the time as coal gets phased out in favour of natural gas, wind and renewables. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.29pm

Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does.

Mass-produced electricity is far more clean than producing power from your own, mobile power plant, and it's getting cleaner all the time as coal gets phased out in favour of natural gas, wind and renewables.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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