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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Feb 16 1.03pm
Originally posted by crystal balls And as I have told you before, change IS constant and will continue to be, some people will come to Britain and some others will leave, birth rate will rise and fall over time. I haven't seen you demonstrate anything in particular, except that you don't want to accept that you may be wrong. It is quite possible, if not probable, that Africa, Asia and other so-called third world areas will become self-sufficient over the next 20-50 years. Africa and Asia and South America have plenty of natural resources. They will also have a young workforce who will become better educated and dynamic, while Europe's population will be ageing and a drag on economic performance. Europe (and the US) will no longer seen as the land of milk and honey, so your grandchildren should have no such worries, other than how to look after you and the rest of your ageing generation. You do not seem to understand that "change" meaning over hundreds of years is not equatable to a change over 10 years. If you had read one of the links I posted you would understand that the majority of Britons are related to settlers arriving thousands of years ago. You inability or reluctance to accept this scientific fact suggests that you place your ideology above reality. An all to common attitude these days. As for the third world becoming self sufficient. This something they have failed to do up till now despite having huge natural resources. This will not happen for centuries if ever IMO.
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Originally posted by crystal balls

And as I have told you before, change IS constant and will continue to be, some people will come to Britain and some others will leave, birth rate will rise and fall over time. I haven't seen you demonstrate anything in particular, except that you don't want to accept that you may be wrong.

It is quite possible, if not probable, that Africa, Asia and other so-called third world areas will become self-sufficient over the next 20-50 years. Africa and Asia and South America have plenty of natural resources. They will also have a young workforce who will become better educated and dynamic, while Europe's population will be ageing and a drag on economic performance.

Europe (and the US) will no longer seen as the land of milk and honey, so your grandchildren should have no such worries, other than how to look after you and the rest of your ageing generation.

You do not seem to understand that "change" meaning over hundreds of years is not equatable to a change over 10 years. If you had read one of the links I posted you would understand that the majority of Britons are related to settlers arriving thousands of years ago. You inability or reluctance to accept this scientific fact suggests that you place your ideology above reality. An all to common attitude these days.

As for the third world becoming self sufficient. This something they have failed to do up till now despite having huge natural resources. This will not happen for centuries if ever IMO.

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 25 Feb 16 1.06pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger As for the third world becoming self sufficient. This something they have failed to do up till now despite having huge natural resources. This will not happen for centuries if ever IMO. Indeed. The majority of anything with real value in what's currently the "Third World" has already been bought, stolen or contracted out by multi-nationals. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 25 Feb 16 1.06pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As for the third world becoming self sufficient. This something they have failed to do up till now despite having huge natural resources. This will not happen for centuries if ever IMO.

Indeed. The majority of anything with real value in what's currently the "Third World" has already been bought, stolen or contracted out by multi-nationals.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Feb 16 1.10pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Indeed. The majority of anything with real value in what's currently the "Third World" has already been bought, stolen or contracted out by multi-nationals. Yep, and if it's not them it's their own corrupt leaders and military.
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25 Feb 16 1.10pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Indeed. The majority of anything with real value in what's currently the "Third World" has already been bought, stolen or contracted out by multi-nationals.

Yep, and if it's not them it's their own corrupt leaders and military.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Feb 16 2.32pm
Originally posted by crystal balls In terms of numbers of invaders comparative to numbers of the existing population, there have been several cases of similar if not greater numbers proportionally. And in terms of differences of cultures, to a Britain suffering Saxon invaders, the degree of culture shock may have seemed as different to them as Polish or eastern Europeans seem to you, perhaps. Hundreds and thousands of years ago there were only a few million. Now there's 60 million. If it is so hard to grasp, think about a social occasion or gathering with only so much space or numbers allowed or you can afford. When you first start writing out the guest list it's easy, you just want to invite everyone, only you then realise you've gone over the maximum allowed and have to start crossing people off. Or you can hire somewhere, unless you can't afford it and therefore just accept you cannot do/have everything you want. COYP
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Caterham 25 Feb 16 2.32pm

Originally posted by crystal balls

In terms of numbers of invaders comparative to numbers of the existing population, there have been several cases of similar if not greater numbers proportionally.

And in terms of differences of cultures, to a Britain suffering Saxon invaders, the degree of culture shock may have seemed as different to them as Polish or eastern Europeans seem to you, perhaps.

Hundreds and thousands of years ago there were only a few million. Now there's 60 million.

If it is so hard to grasp, think about a social occasion or gathering with only so much space or numbers allowed or you can afford. When you first start writing out the guest list it's easy, you just want to invite everyone, only you then realise you've gone over the maximum allowed and have to start crossing people off. Or you can hire somewhere, unless you can't afford it and therefore just accept you cannot do/have everything you want.

COYP

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 16 5.42pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Indeed. The majority of anything with real value in what's currently the "Third World" has already been bought, stolen or contracted out by multi-nationals. This is more down to the IMF and OECD than multinationals. In fact austerity measures as a tool for taking public assets and putting them into private ownership can be traced back to the Bretton Woods conference in July 1944. The IMF, which was borne from the conference, give out loans through the mechanism of SAP's (structural adjustment programmes) with unaffordable repayments in order to asset strip countries as way of repaying the unaffordable loans. SAP's remove capital controls of the in and outflow of money, dictate public spending, prioritize debt repayment and corporate welfare over infrastructure development and human welfare and demand supression of wages and restrictions on unions. All this mainly started in Africa but spread elsewhere as neoliberals looked for new markets to explore. In 2011, for every $1 that creditor nations gave debt ridden countries around the world, the countries gave back $5 in debt repayment. Shocking really.
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Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 16 5.42pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Indeed. The majority of anything with real value in what's currently the "Third World" has already been bought, stolen or contracted out by multi-nationals.

This is more down to the IMF and OECD than multinationals. In fact austerity measures as a tool for taking public assets and putting them into private ownership can be traced back to the Bretton Woods conference in July 1944.
The IMF, which was borne from the conference, give out loans through the mechanism of SAP's (structural adjustment programmes) with unaffordable repayments in order to asset strip countries as way of repaying the unaffordable loans.
SAP's remove capital controls of the in and outflow of money, dictate public spending, prioritize debt repayment and corporate welfare over infrastructure development and human welfare and demand supression of wages and restrictions on unions.
All this mainly started in Africa but spread elsewhere as neoliberals looked for new markets to explore.
In 2011, for every $1 that creditor nations gave debt ridden countries around the world, the countries gave back $5 in debt repayment.

Shocking really.

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 25 Feb 16 9.40pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Hundreds and thousands of years ago there were only a few million. Now there's 60 million. If it is so hard to grasp, think about a social occasion or gathering with only so much space or numbers allowed or you can afford. When you first start writing out the guest list it's easy, you just want to invite everyone, only you then realise you've gone over the maximum allowed and have to start crossing people off. Or you can hire somewhere, unless you can't afford it and therefore just accept you cannot do/have everything you want. Funnily enough, the world population has increased over the last thousand years too; if you find it so hard to grasp, please try to understand that Britain doesn't exist in a vacuum, we are all living in a world with smaller spaces, it's not just the UK where space will be at a premium! You haven't even understood what the problem is, let alone the solution!! Edited by crystal balls (25 Feb 2016 9.51pm) I used to be immortal
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The Garden of Earthly Delights 25 Feb 16 9.40pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Hundreds and thousands of years ago there were only a few million. Now there's 60 million.

Funnily enough, the world population has increased over the last thousand years too; if you find it so hard to grasp, please try to understand that Britain doesn't exist in a vacuum, we are all living in a world with smaller spaces, it's not just the UK where space will be at a premium!

You haven't even understood what the problem is, let alone the solution!!

Edited by crystal balls (25 Feb 2016 9.51pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Feb 16 9.44pm
Originally posted by nickgusset This is more down to the IMF and OECD than multinationals. In fact austerity measures as a tool for taking public assets and putting them into private ownership can be traced back to the Bretton Woods conference in July 1944. The IMF, which was borne from the conference, give out loans through the mechanism of SAP's (structural adjustment programmes) with unaffordable repayments in order to asset strip countries as way of repaying the unaffordable loans. SAP's remove capital controls of the in and outflow of money, dictate public spending, prioritize debt repayment and corporate welfare over infrastructure development and human welfare and demand supression of wages and restrictions on unions. All this mainly started in Africa but spread elsewhere as neoliberals looked for new markets to explore. In 2011, for every that creditor nations gave debt ridden countries around the world, the countries gave back in debt repayment. Shocking really. Nearly as shocking as your "look at me" white person problems thread on the BBS.
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25 Feb 16 9.44pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

This is more down to the IMF and OECD than multinationals. In fact austerity measures as a tool for taking public assets and putting them into private ownership can be traced back to the Bretton Woods conference in July 1944.
The IMF, which was borne from the conference, give out loans through the mechanism of SAP's (structural adjustment programmes) with unaffordable repayments in order to asset strip countries as way of repaying the unaffordable loans.
SAP's remove capital controls of the in and outflow of money, dictate public spending, prioritize debt repayment and corporate welfare over infrastructure development and human welfare and demand supression of wages and restrictions on unions.
All this mainly started in Africa but spread elsewhere as neoliberals looked for new markets to explore.
In 2011, for every that creditor nations gave debt ridden countries around the world, the countries gave back in debt repayment.

Shocking really.

Nearly as shocking as your "look at me" white person problems thread on the BBS.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 16 9.53pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Nearly as shocking as your "look at me" white person problems thread on the BBS. Why, it's factually accurate.
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Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 16 9.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Nearly as shocking as your "look at me" white person problems thread on the BBS.

Why, it's factually accurate.

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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Feb 16 9.56pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Why, it's factually accurate. Point scoring using that subject is tasteless and a bit weird frankly. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (25 Feb 2016 9.57pm)
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25 Feb 16 9.56pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Why, it's factually accurate.

Point scoring using that subject is tasteless and a bit weird frankly.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (25 Feb 2016 9.57pm)

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 25 Feb 16 9.57pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Indeed. The majority of anything with real value in what's currently the "Third World" has already been bought, stolen or contracted out by multi-nationals. Ignorance doesn't become you! The Arabs were the third world 100 years ago, now they own most of the office blocks in London and New York. I used to be immortal
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The Garden of Earthly Delights 25 Feb 16 9.57pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Indeed. The majority of anything with real value in what's currently the "Third World" has already been bought, stolen or contracted out by multi-nationals.

Ignorance doesn't become you! The Arabs were the third world 100 years ago, now they own most of the office blocks in London and New York.

I used to be immortal

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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Feb 16 10.02pm
Originally posted by crystal balls Ignorance doesn't become you! The Arabs were the third world 100 years ago, now they own most of the office blocks in London and New York. Ha ha. Only a few of them. That's like saying that the elite of the British aristocracy are representative of the average Briton.
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25 Feb 16 10.02pm

Originally posted by crystal balls

Ignorance doesn't become you! The Arabs were the third world 100 years ago, now they own most of the office blocks in London and New York.

Ha ha.

Only a few of them.

That's like saying that the elite of the British aristocracy are representative of the average Briton.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 16 10.02pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Point scoring using that subject is tasteless and a bit weird frankly. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (25 Feb 2016 9.57pm) Keep it to the bbs biggin... It's nothing to do with this thread. Edited by nickgusset (25 Feb 2016 10.02pm)
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Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 16 10.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Point scoring using that subject is tasteless and a bit weird frankly.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (25 Feb 2016 9.57pm)

Keep it to the bbs biggin...
It's nothing to do with this thread.

Edited by nickgusset (25 Feb 2016 10.02pm)

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