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 matt_himself  Matataland 20 Oct 15 10.24pm |
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As Israel is the only nation in history to have been founded via a religion then it follows that it could be argued that those who fight in its name, and are prepared to spill their own blood, would also have to classified as religious martyrs. And that their leaders who give them the orders to fight are no different to the zealots of Hamas or any other Palestinian hierarchy who encourage attacks. Although with the weaponry they have they could be classified as worse. Please do show us a video where the present leader of Israel is stating that his people should and would celebrate the 'spilling of blood' and is urging martyrdom.
Your words. Show me the proof that the present Isreali leader is ordering his people to 'celebrate the spilling of blood' as the leader of the Palestinians has done. Thank you.
So when the Israeli leaders give military orders to the IDF they are doing it in the name of Judaism are they not? And that is religious zealotry. I have made no claim that they have used exactly those same words as the Palestinian, Why are you angling that I have? Edited by Kermit8 (20 Oct 2015 10.00pm) You are trying to justify The leader of the Palestinian Authority's rhetoric against unquoted and unsubstantiated actions that you perceive the Israeli government, both past and present, of committing. All I am saying, fella, is you provide proof to back up your claims. I have provided proof of the Palestinian rhetoric, please provide your proof. Then we can lay this to bed and move on.
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As Israel is the only nation in history to have been founded via a religion then it follows that it could be argued that those who fight in its name, and are prepared to spill their own blood, would also have to classified as religious martyrs. And that their leaders who give them the orders to fight are no different to the zealots of Hamas or any other Palestinian hierarchy who encourage attacks. Although with the weaponry they have they could be classified as worse. Please do show us a video where the present leader of Israel is stating that his people should and would celebrate the 'spilling of blood' and is urging martyrdom.
Your words. Show me the proof that the present Isreali leader is ordering his people to 'celebrate the spilling of blood' as the leader of the Palestinians has done. Thank you.
So when the Israeli leaders give military orders to the IDF they are doing it in the name of Judaism are they not? And that is religious zealotry. I have made no claim that they have used exactly those same words as the Palestinian, Why are you angling that I have? Edited by Kermit8 (20 Oct 2015 10.00pm) You are trying to justify The leader of the Palestinian Authority's rhetoric against unquoted and unsubstantiated actions that you perceive the Israeli government, both past and present, of committing. All I am saying, fella, is you provide proof to back up your claims. I have provided proof of the Palestinian rhetoric, please provide your proof. Then we can lay this to bed and move on.
You are confusing my 'comparison' with your 'justification' . Israeli soldiers in part and lone-wolf ultra-orthodox fight for reasons of religion too due to the country being non-secular Do you disagree with that? It follows then that tacitly they - the soldiers - are being asked to potentially 'spill their own blood' in the name of religion. Remember I said 'tacitly' not 'overtly' To back up my comparison? Orders for three Gaza incursions and innumerable attacks by the IDF over the years.
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| matt_himself Matataland 21 Oct 15 7.13am |
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As Israel is the only nation in history to have been founded via a religion then it follows that it could be argued that those who fight in its name, and are prepared to spill their own blood, would also have to classified as religious martyrs. And that their leaders who give them the orders to fight are no different to the zealots of Hamas or any other Palestinian hierarchy who encourage attacks. Although with the weaponry they have they could be classified as worse. Please do show us a video where the present leader of Israel is stating that his people should and would celebrate the 'spilling of blood' and is urging martyrdom.
Your words. Show me the proof that the present Isreali leader is ordering his people to 'celebrate the spilling of blood' as the leader of the Palestinians has done. Thank you.
So when the Israeli leaders give military orders to the IDF they are doing it in the name of Judaism are they not? And that is religious zealotry. I have made no claim that they have used exactly those same words as the Palestinian, Why are you angling that I have? Edited by Kermit8 (20 Oct 2015 10.00pm) You are trying to justify The leader of the Palestinian Authority's rhetoric against unquoted and unsubstantiated actions that you perceive the Israeli government, both past and present, of committing. All I am saying, fella, is you provide proof to back up your claims. I have provided proof of the Palestinian rhetoric, please provide your proof. Then we can lay this to bed and move on.
You are confusing my 'comparison' with your 'justification' . Israeli soldiers in part and lone-wolf ultra-orthodox fight for reasons of religion too due to the country being non-secular Do you disagree with that? It follows then that tacitly they - the soldiers - are being asked to potentially 'spill their own blood' in the name of religion. Remember I said 'tacitly' not 'overtly' To back up my comparison? Orders for three Gaza incursions and innumerable attacks by the IDF over the years. So you have no evidence and you are trying to weasel out of your previous statements using unsubstantiated generalisms? Oh dear Michael...
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| Kermit8 Hevon 21 Oct 15 7.16am |
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You are being obtuse. You always are when you are cornered.
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| matt_himself Matataland 21 Oct 15 7.34am |
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You are being obtuse. You always are when you are cornered.
I am not the cornered one, I have provided evidence. You have provided nothing but generalisms and vagueness. It is you that is cornered. Now comeback when you have some evidence or let those who can debate this do so and you go off and post some more unsubstantiated rubbish on another thread.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 21 Oct 15 11.27am |
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From 15 months ago when those three teenagers were murdered: "Prime Minister Netanyahu called for vengeance, and his coalition partners called for ethnic cleansing and genocide. Government faction whip Ayelet Shaked wrote: “Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people… are all enemy combatants… this also includes the mothers,” while ruling party faction leader Moshe Feiglin wrote: “The civilian population will be concentrated” and “Gaza will become part of… Israel and will be populated by Jews.” Other public figures were even more specific, calling for sexual violence. A top Israeli academic announced that terrorism could only be averted by threatening to rape the mothers and sister of Palestinian militants. The leader of the largest religious Jewish youth group in the world called for the Israeli army not only to kill at least 300 Palestinians, but to bring back their foreskins as war trophies. The Jerusalem councillor in charge of the city’s security implored Jewish youth to “commit acts of Phineas,” a coded call to kill Palestinians and the Jews who befriend them. (Phineas is a reference to the Biblical figure who is said to have murdered an interracial couple in the middle of love-making by skewering their intertwined genitals, some rabbis say." I trust this is what you were after Matthew. Still not quite sure why you wanted me to post it but you seemed keen so thought I would oblige.
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| matt_himself Matataland 21 Oct 15 12.08pm |
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From 15 months ago when those three teenagers were murdered: "Prime Minister Netanyahu called for vengeance, and his coalition partners called for ethnic cleansing and genocide. Government faction whip Ayelet Shaked wrote: “Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people… are all enemy combatants… this also includes the mothers,” while ruling party faction leader Moshe Feiglin wrote: “The civilian population will be concentrated” and “Gaza will become part of… Israel and will be populated by Jews.” Other public figures were even more specific, calling for sexual violence. A top Israeli academic announced that terrorism could only be averted by threatening to rape the mothers and sister of Palestinian militants. The leader of the largest religious Jewish youth group in the world called for the Israeli army not only to kill at least 300 Palestinians, but to bring back their foreskins as war trophies. The Jerusalem councillor in charge of the city’s security implored Jewish youth to “commit acts of Phineas,” a coded call to kill Palestinians and the Jews who befriend them. (Phineas is a reference to the Biblical figure who is said to have murdered an interracial couple in the middle of love-making by skewering their intertwined genitals, some rabbis say." I trust this is what you were after Matthew. Still not quite sure why you wanted me to post it but you seemed keen so thought I would oblige. And the source of this is?
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From 15 months ago when those three teenagers were murdered: "Prime Minister Netanyahu called for vengeance, and his coalition partners called for ethnic cleansing and genocide. Government faction whip Ayelet Shaked wrote: “Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people… are all enemy combatants… this also includes the mothers,” while ruling party faction leader Moshe Feiglin wrote: “The civilian population will be concentrated” and “Gaza will become part of… Israel and will be populated by Jews.” Other public figures were even more specific, calling for sexual violence. A top Israeli academic announced that terrorism could only be averted by threatening to rape the mothers and sister of Palestinian militants. The leader of the largest religious Jewish youth group in the world called for the Israeli army not only to kill at least 300 Palestinians, but to bring back their foreskins as war trophies. The Jerusalem councillor in charge of the city’s security implored Jewish youth to “commit acts of Phineas,” a coded call to kill Palestinians and the Jews who befriend them. (Phineas is a reference to the Biblical figure who is said to have murdered an interracial couple in the middle of love-making by skewering their intertwined genitals, some rabbis say." I trust this is what you were after Matthew. Still not quite sure why you wanted me to post it but you seemed keen so thought I would oblige. And the source of this is?
We can, I trust, indeed, put this all to bed now.
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| oldcodger 21 Oct 15 12.34pm |
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From 15 months ago when those three teenagers were murdered: "Prime Minister Netanyahu called for vengeance, and his coalition partners called for ethnic cleansing and genocide. Government faction whip Ayelet Shaked wrote: “Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people… are all enemy combatants… this also includes the mothers,” while ruling party faction leader Moshe Feiglin wrote: “The civilian population will be concentrated” and “Gaza will become part of… Israel and will be populated by Jews.” Other public figures were even more specific, calling for sexual violence. A top Israeli academic announced that terrorism could only be averted by threatening to rape the mothers and sister of Palestinian militants. The leader of the largest religious Jewish youth group in the world called for the Israeli army not only to kill at least 300 Palestinians, but to bring back their foreskins as war trophies. The Jerusalem councillor in charge of the city’s security implored Jewish youth to “commit acts of Phineas,” a coded call to kill Palestinians and the Jews who befriend them. (Phineas is a reference to the Biblical figure who is said to have murdered an interracial couple in the middle of love-making by skewering their intertwined genitals, some rabbis say." I trust this is what you were after Matthew. Still not quite sure why you wanted me to post it but you seemed keen so thought I would oblige. And the source of this is?
We can, I trust, indeed, put this all to bed now.
"The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started... Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there." Such words from either side are incredibly shocking of course. If anything it's all too predictable how both sides view each other in a very similar light.
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| matt_himself Matataland 21 Oct 15 12.59pm |
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From 15 months ago when those three teenagers were murdered: "Prime Minister Netanyahu called for vengeance, and his coalition partners called for ethnic cleansing and genocide. Government faction whip Ayelet Shaked wrote: “Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people… are all enemy combatants… this also includes the mothers,” while ruling party faction leader Moshe Feiglin wrote: “The civilian population will be concentrated” and “Gaza will become part of… Israel and will be populated by Jews.” Other public figures were even more specific, calling for sexual violence. A top Israeli academic announced that terrorism could only be averted by threatening to rape the mothers and sister of Palestinian militants. The leader of the largest religious Jewish youth group in the world called for the Israeli army not only to kill at least 300 Palestinians, but to bring back their foreskins as war trophies. The Jerusalem councillor in charge of the city’s security implored Jewish youth to “commit acts of Phineas,” a coded call to kill Palestinians and the Jews who befriend them. (Phineas is a reference to the Biblical figure who is said to have murdered an interracial couple in the middle of love-making by skewering their intertwined genitals, some rabbis say." I trust this is what you were after Matthew. Still not quite sure why you wanted me to post it but you seemed keen so thought I would oblige. And the source of this is?
We can, I trust, indeed, put this all to bed now.
"The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started... Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there." Such words from either side are incredibly shocking of course. If anything it's all too predictable how both sides view each other in a very similar light.
It's referencing a third party translation of her words from a 'leftish website' and even goes so far to say that they 'might not be her words'.
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| matt_himself Matataland 21 Oct 15 1.00pm |
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From 15 months ago when those three teenagers were murdered: "Prime Minister Netanyahu called for vengeance, and his coalition partners called for ethnic cleansing and genocide. Government faction whip Ayelet Shaked wrote: “Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people… are all enemy combatants… this also includes the mothers,” while ruling party faction leader Moshe Feiglin wrote: “The civilian population will be concentrated” and “Gaza will become part of… Israel and will be populated by Jews.” Other public figures were even more specific, calling for sexual violence. A top Israeli academic announced that terrorism could only be averted by threatening to rape the mothers and sister of Palestinian militants. The leader of the largest religious Jewish youth group in the world called for the Israeli army not only to kill at least 300 Palestinians, but to bring back their foreskins as war trophies. The Jerusalem councillor in charge of the city’s security implored Jewish youth to “commit acts of Phineas,” a coded call to kill Palestinians and the Jews who befriend them. (Phineas is a reference to the Biblical figure who is said to have murdered an interracial couple in the middle of love-making by skewering their intertwined genitals, some rabbis say." I trust this is what you were after Matthew. Still not quite sure why you wanted me to post it but you seemed keen so thought I would oblige. And the source of this is?
We can, I trust, indeed, put this all to bed now.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Oct 15 1.02pm |
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From 15 months ago when those three teenagers were murdered: "Prime Minister Netanyahu called for vengeance, and his coalition partners called for ethnic cleansing and genocide. Government faction whip Ayelet Shaked wrote: “Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people… are all enemy combatants… this also includes the mothers,” while ruling party faction leader Moshe Feiglin wrote: “The civilian population will be concentrated” and “Gaza will become part of… Israel and will be populated by Jews.” Other public figures were even more specific, calling for sexual violence. A top Israeli academic announced that terrorism could only be averted by threatening to rape the mothers and sister of Palestinian militants. The leader of the largest religious Jewish youth group in the world called for the Israeli army not only to kill at least 300 Palestinians, but to bring back their foreskins as war trophies. The Jerusalem councillor in charge of the city’s security implored Jewish youth to “commit acts of Phineas,” a coded call to kill Palestinians and the Jews who befriend them. (Phineas is a reference to the Biblical figure who is said to have murdered an interracial couple in the middle of love-making by skewering their intertwined genitals, some rabbis say." I trust this is what you were after Matthew. Still not quite sure why you wanted me to post it but you seemed keen so thought I would oblige. And the source of this is?
We can, I trust, indeed, put this all to bed now.
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